4th cycle (Test+Deca+Tren+Dbol)

[Mind-Muscle]

Hi there! Is my first post here, I was looking at this forum for a long time before and now I need your opinion. I'm 24 years old, training since 16. My stats are 5' 11" (180 cm) and 196 pounds (88-89kg) at a 12% bf.

I'm planning to do this cycle in the winter for a strong quality bulker:

Week 1 750 mg test E + 800 mg deca (Front load)
Weeks 2-5 500 mg test E + 400 mg deca
Weeks 6-11 400 mg test E + 300 mg tren E + 30 mg dbol ed
Week 12 400 mg test E

I will use exemestane, cabergoline and HCG during cycle.
PCT with tamoxifen and exemestane at a lower dose.

I know this seems a bit weird combination. I will try to explain:

I use only 5 weeks of deca because I will only buy 1 vial, also I dont like the long elimination time of deca metabolites so this is a way to counter it (I know NPP but is expensive and I dont like EOD injections). At the 6th week I will replace deca with tren E and dbol, making use of their strong synergy. This way I will shock my body to continue growing until the end of the cycle.

What do you think??

 

[MassiveEating]

I like your cycle, but why not use the dbol as kick start? The tren is highly anabolic and its inclusion should let you grow through myostatin build up.

 

[Sk8man101]

This cycles looks a little weird.

If the reason for your deca protocol is metabolites you should know that they will stay in your system for up to or even well over a full year.

 

[Mind-Muscle]

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I like your cycle, but why not use the dbol as kick start? The tren is highly anabolic and its inclusion should let you grow through myostatin build up.

I just wanna try dianabol+trenbolone combination because of the synergy that many gurus like Bill Roberts talk about. So I dont kick start with dbol because of that.

 

[Mind-Muscle]

This cycles looks a little weird.

If the reason for your deca protocol is metabolites you should know that they will stay in your system for up to or even well over a full year.

Of course I know that. That's only one of the reasons. The main reason is that I just wanna buy 1 vial. And at least by this way deca won't interfer in my PCT at all.

 

[Ironlord]

Of course I know that. That's only one of the reasons. The main reason is that I just wanna buy 1 vial. And at least by this way deca won't interfer in my PCT at all.

You should never really plan out a cycle based off the fact that your being cheap and only want to buy one vial of a product....

 

[legendary]

That's a lot of 19 Nors. Hope your not gyno prone. And would have something on hand to battle bloat. I'm only going from my experience. I would drop the deca and kick start dbol

 

[Mind-Muscle]

My last cycle was Test+Deca+Dbol so this time I wanna do something different and try Tren to finish. I think that 10 weeks on deca + 6 weeks on tren to finish is too much time for me.

 

[Brandaddy]

I would honestly drop the deca and trade it for an extra vial of tren.. I take it you're probably paying at least $60 for the vial, and you aren't probably going to see shit for extra results from the 5 weeks of using it.

 

[Mind-Muscle]

Ok. So what if I do 8 weeks on deca + 6 weeks on tren E?? I really want to try this combo.

 

[legendary]

Ok. So what if I do 8 weeks on deca + 6 weeks on tren E?? I really want to try this combo.

I have done this combo. But I think the dbol throws it off. I would drop deca up tren or drov dbol and steer with teen and deca. That's just me tho. More isn't always better

 

[Mind-Muscle]

I have done this combo. But I think the dbol throws it off. I would drop deca up tren or drov dbol and steer with teen and deca. That's just me tho. More isn't always better

I know what you mean, but I'm not using Deca and Tren simultaneously. First Deca then replaced by Tren.
In case of dropping something it would be the deca.
What kind of gains could I expect from a combination of Test+Tren+Dbol??

 

[legendary]

I know what you mean, but I'm not using Deca and Tren simultaneously. First Deca then replaced by Tren.
In case of dropping something it would be the deca.
What kind of gains could I expect from a combination of Test+Tren+Dbol??

That depends on diet and training. Me personally can't use peals other than anavar. It fucks up my BP,ldl and Hdl.

 

[Wunderpus]

Why not NPP? I wouldn't run deca for that short of a time... I believe deca doesn't hit peak levels until 5-6 weeks (might wanna fact check this one)..... But, it's definitely around that point, so why discontinue usage RIGHT at peak levels? I don't get it.

I really DON'T like fluctuating test levels... It just seems to make cycles a mess in my experience. Find one test level, and run it the whole cycle. I think 500mg's is fine here.

Tren Enanthate is nastier than acetate as it takes longer for sides/results to show, but you're also STUCK on that ride for longer... Have you run tren before? 300mg's of the enanthate estered version isn't a whole lot of actual trenbolone... If I had run tren ace, and it worked well for me, I'd be inclined to run 400mg's of enanthate to offset the larger ester (less actual DRUG per MG).

Caber is a waste, I see no likelihood in a prolactin build up here. I wouldn't fuck with caber or prami.

If you're stuck on running a cycle LIKE this, but want it structured properly, here you go:

Weeks 1-12: Test Enanthate
Weeks 1-7: NPP
Weeks 5-12: Tren E
Weeks 9-12: Dbol (I'd want to use the dbol at Tren's peak saturation levels, ~28 days)

 

[legendary]

Why not NPP? I wouldn't run deca for that short of a time... I believe deca doesn't hit peak levels until 5-6 weeks (might wanna fact check this one)..... But, it's definitely around that point, so why discontinue usage RIGHT at peak levels? I don't get it.

I really DON'T like fluctuating test levels... It just seems to make cycles a mess in my experience. Find one test level, and run it the whole cycle. I think 500mg's is fine here.

Tren Enanthate is nastier than acetate as it takes longer for sides/results to show, but you're also STUCK on that ride for longer... Have you run tren before? 300mg's of the enanthate estered version isn't a whole lot of actual trenbolone... If I had run tren ace, and it worked well for me, I'd be inclined to run 400mg's of enanthate to offset the larger ester (less actual DRUG per MG).

Caber is a waste, I see no likelihood in a prolactin build up here. I wouldn't fuck with caber or prami.

If you're stuck on running a cycle LIKE this, but want it structured properly, here you go:

Weeks 1-12: Test Enanthate
Weeks 1-7: NPP
Weeks 5-12: Tren E
Weeks 9-12: Dbol (I'd want to use the dbol at Tren's peak saturation levels, ~28 days)

That looks much better. Just keep a eye out on those nips.

 

[Wunderpus]

That looks much better. Just keep a eye out on those nips.

No doubt. Dbol and test ALONE is cause for concern. I'd never even consider this cycle without raloxifen on hand, just in case.

 

[Mind-Muscle]

Why not NPP? I wouldn't run deca for that short of a time... I believe deca doesn't hit peak levels until 5-6 weeks (might wanna fact check this one)..... But, it's definitely around that point, so why discontinue usage RIGHT at peak levels? I don't get it.

I really DON'T like fluctuating test levels... It just seems to make cycles a mess in my experience. Find one test level, and run it the whole cycle. I think 500mg's is fine here.

Tren Enanthate is nastier than acetate as it takes longer for sides/results to show, but you're also STUCK on that ride for longer... Have you run tren before? 300mg's of the enanthate estered version isn't a whole lot of actual trenbolone... If I had run tren ace, and it worked well for me, I'd be inclined to run 400mg's of enanthate to offset the larger ester (less actual DRUG per MG).

Caber is a waste, I see no likelihood in a prolactin build up here. I wouldn't fuck with caber or prami.

If you're stuck on running a cycle LIKE this, but want it structured properly, here you go:

Weeks 1-12: Test Enanthate
Weeks 1-7: NPP
Weeks 5-12: Tren E
Weeks 9-12: Dbol (I'd want to use the dbol at Tren's peak saturation levels, ~28 days)

Mmmmm I like that. Could I pin NPP E3D or it should be pinned EOD??
I've never tried Tren, so I think 300 mg is enough for my first time.
I will take control of estrogens with aromasin and tamoxifen just in case...

 

[Wunderpus]

Mmmmm I like that. Could I pin NPP E3D or it should be pinned EOD??
I've never tried Tren, so I think 300 mg is enough for my first time.
I will take control of estrogens with aromasin and tamoxifen just in case...

EOD for sure.

I would have the aromasin and tamoxifen ON HAND for sure... I'm not sure you'll need it. I would do it like this:

Weeks 1-12: 500 mg's Test Enanthate
Weeks 1-7: 400mg's NPP
Weeks 5-12: 300mg's Tren E
Weeks 9-12: 50 mg's/day Dbol

Even at it's highest, that will keep you under a gram of combined gear per week, which I think is a relatively good spot to be for a 4th cycle. I think this cycle will give you two really big "boosts", firstly when the NPP kicks in, and secondly when that tren hits peak saturation and you slam in the dbol.

 

[Docd187123]

Mmmmm I like that. Could I pin NPP E3D or it should be pinned EOD??
I've never tried Tren, so I think 300 mg is enough for my first time.
I will take control of estrogens with aromasin and tamoxifen just in case...

Just pin NPP 3x a week

 

[Mind-Muscle]

Hi again. I've thinking of switching the cycle lately. I discovered a mix from Pharmacom (Pharma Mix 3) which consists in 200 Test E 200 Deca 100 Tren E per ml. I am thinking of doing a cycle with this. 2 ml per week 12 weeks.

Has anyone tried Pharma Mix 3?
I would like to hear experiences