500mg/wk Sust necessary?

[guitarded]

I am towards the end of my first cycle. dbol/sust/deca injecting the sust and deca twice per week. Sust at 500mg/wk and deca at 400mg/wk. I've been taking 50mg proviron/day to hopefully minimize water retention and have made great gains in both strength, size and weight gain. I'm sure I didn't get the most out of the sust by doing injects twice a week, but the gains were still very good imo. I don't think I would do sust by itself. If I did, I would do the eod injects.

cheers,

 

[wolfman]

and with the TEST ENT you could actually get away with doing a 500mg/week dose all in one shot everyweek and still get the same results instead of doing it in 2 shots everyweek.

Maybe for someone's first cyle they could get away with shooting enan. 1x/wk. but an experienced user will be able to tell the difference by shooting 2x/wk....Keeping blood levels as constant as possible is the key and enan. has a half-life of 5days. So 2x/wk. is most optimal.

-wolfman

 

[Alphamale23]

should i start the liquidex a few days before i start the sust, or just start both the same day?

 

[Southernjuice]

should i start the liquidex a few days before i start the sust, or just start both the same day?

Same day bro

 

[Alphamale23]

i only have 1 sust now and have to make the best of it. i think im going to front load at 500wk and then go to 375 and end with 250....it sucks but it is what it is
-alpha

Same day bro

 

[Buff Diddy]

I don't see a problem with shooting 500mg sust ew. The stuff is designed to release over 2-3 weeks anyway. I did 500mg ew sust last cycle and this time 500mg ew omnadren and got good results and kept all my gains. Plus one a week injections are plently for me I like to keep the shots to a minimum. Not to mention you lose a bit in the pin each time you shoot. I think your spliting hairs worring about 30mg prop.

 

[Alphamale23]

any one else have any advice? I can get my hands on some enanthate but that all. should i maybe front load with enanthate and sustanon and then end it with sustanon alone?

 

[cathex]

Southern Juice hit it right on the money, don't pay the extra for Sust if your not going to take advantage of the short esters. Sure, you could make decent gains injecting once a week, but for the same amount of gear you'll benifit much more if you inject eod. Heres a note on quantity/duration: Your body makes an equivelent of something like 150-200mgs a week, so while your natural production is in full swing, you'll enjoy the benifits of 450mgs/week, once that drops out you'll only be supplementing 50-100mgs/week. I know I'm only a "junior" but I'm sure some "seniors" out there will agree.

150-200mg/week???? Where the hell do you get that from? At most, your own production is at around 5-10mg/day and that's less than half the amount you're suggesting.

 

[carved22]

I agree that EOD injec's are the way to go. You paid for the short ester, take advantage of it and get the best results that you can using it.

I went to my doctor who also happens to be shredded and he said that 500 mg of sust a week was to much for me. Everyone has their own experiences and opinions and, I believe that you need to start and see how your body reacts to the AAS and adjust the dose accordingly. 250 wk may work wonders for me but may not do shit for you. I would say that if your unsure, start light and work up the dosage until you find the right mix.

Just my two cents. Good luck bro.

 

[RH81]

I agree that EOD injec's are the way to go. You paid for the short ester, take advantage of it and get the best results that you can using it.

I went to my doctor who also happens to be shredded and he said that 500 mg of sust a week was to much for me. Everyone has their own experiences and opinions and, I believe that you need to start and see how your body reacts to the AAS and adjust the dose accordingly. 250 wk may work wonders for me but may not do shit for you. I would say that if your unsure, start light and work up the dosage until you find the right mix.

Just my two cents. Good luck bro.

Bro,...Your Dr. is just telling you that so you don't get bigger than him! j/k

My buddy only did one shot a week of sust and he did grow,obviously he would've grown more if he'd up'ed the dosage,but all he had was one bottle as well and was content on using it...he gained like 14lbs after his pct which isn't bad for the low amt. he was doing,you could definitely tell he was hardening up as well,losing some excess BF as well as gaiining muscle...but he was also stacking with Dbol.

 

[seand95]

Southern Juice hit it right on the money, don't pay the extra for Sust if your not going to take advantage of the short esters. Sure, you could make decent gains injecting once a week, but for the same amount of gear you'll benifit much more if you inject eod. Heres a note on quantity/duration: Your body makes an equivelent of something like 150-200mgs a week, so while your natural production is in full swing, you'll enjoy the benifits of 450mgs/week, once that drops out you'll only be supplementing 50-100mgs/week. I know I'm only a "junior" but I'm sure some "seniors" out there will agree.

can you explain why this "not taking advantage of short esters" is a bad thing when you have the other three esters that will stretch out for the following two weeks after injecting? as we know the prop. will be done in 2-3 days, then there is the ester that follows that, the name eludes me, but it lasts 4-6 days i believe. so just out of curiousity, what is this taking advantage of the shorter ester, if that ester isnt being used exclusivley?

 

[Alphamale23]

but my question is still can i mix sustanon with enanthate or cypionate. that way i can get 500/wk of test, just a mixture of sust and one of the above

 

[seand95]

but my question is still can i mix sustanon with enanthate or cypionate. that way i can get 500/wk of test, just a mixture of sust and one of the above

i have heard of people doing this. as long as your getting 500mg/w. 750 is optimum, but if your staking with other drugs, 500 or even 400mg is enough to support growth. a lot of guys think the test should be sky high with any cycle, but if your using high androgen drugs like winny, there isnt much of a need for excessive test. unless your going for broke and willing to go that far. bottom line is, sus is a long acting test so there really isnt a problem mixing with other long acting test forms.

 

[RH81]

but my question is still can i mix sustanon with enanthate or cypionate. that way i can get 500/wk of test, just a mixture of sust and one of the above

Yes,you can.I like to mix Enanthate personally,just a personal fav.

 

[Alphamale23]

OK ive got the enanthate, now what is the best way to go about this? im thinking of frontloading enanthate at 500wk then switching to sustanon at 500wk in the end with winstrol. is OK or is there a better way?

 

[Phreezer]

TEST IS TEST Doesn't matter if it's cyp or enanthate or even sustanon (the four ester blend) The Testosterone molecule is exactlly the same in all of them... the only difference is the ester. So I don't understand how someone can say there is a diffence..because it's the exact same anabolic compound, just one ester takes about a day longer to release than the other... and prop has "about" a 3 day half life. (but there is only 50mg per amp of Prop, and 200mg of the other esters)

Sustanon acts as a single ester in the body...Sustanon is the biggest gimmick to ever hit the Anabolic world...Honestly, I believe Test is test...Lets look at sustanon...It is typically made up of longer acting esters like Decanonate, Cypionate, Enanthate (they all respectivly average about 5-8 days half life)...These will all pretty much act in the same fashion as a single estered testosterone in the body..... The only real differance wrt to esters would be with prop.... (which has about a 48-72 hr half life) And believe me you're not going to notice any real advantage going EOD over bi weekly here...Think about it a 2x weekly injection schedule and do the math...you'll see that there's no real advantage.


Alphamale, here's the deal.. If you don't have enough gear for your cycle you should probably not start it.. Thie applies toward your ancillaries also. Truly, you are better off, putting off your cycle untill you can afford to buy the rest of your gear.. You will have MUCH better cycle if you do.

 

[Alphamale23]

i have enough gear for 500 test a wk which is what i planned. i have sust, winstrol and test E. thats why im asking what is the best way to go about using the two tests.
i have anti e's (arimidex) and clomid. just want to know what is most effective way of combining the two tests.

 

[Phreezer]

Read my post again.. I added a bit more to it..... But To answer you again.. .Mix the test.. it's all the same anyway..

500mg Of test a week will work nicely... If it's oral you want to take about 100mg ED of the winstrol..if it's inject, you can get by with about 50mg ED. It still gets broken down by the liver, but when it bypasses the stomach (EG injection) more of the compound is saved.. so less is needed.

 

[Alphamale23]

thanks for the great info it really helped. im starting today so will keep yall posted

 

[RH81]

thanks for the great info it really helped. im starting today so will keep yall posted

Cool bro,if ya get some time you should post a cycle log with before and after stats etc,and even pics if you have a camera...it always helps motivate other to see progress from a fellow bro...good luck and be safe man.

Rob