A cure for sleep apnea?

[Eman]

Interesting. everyone I know who has it and even use the machine, not one of them is obese. Just as I’m sure the people here who have it aren’t obese.

If you go off of a bmi chart, many on this board are probably morbidly obese. Might look totally healthy too.

With that said, I know some skinny guys can have it too but they're the exception not the rule.

 

[miketee]

Yep docs will tell you you need to get your settings checked and changed so they can charge your insurance $500 every time. Autosense is Dead Nuts on. My ResMed 8 allows me to insert an SD card and monitor what the machine is doing and how many instances I have. In 5 years the setting never changes except I have it set to warmup so it doesn’t just start out at full blast so it slowly ramps up within 10 minutes. If you are coming out of pocket do not get a sleep study done. Order the home kit and get an autosense.

By the way... my sleep apnea is cause from abnormally enlarged tonsils. The doc wanted to remove it when I was young and I am glad I didn’t as it’s the first step in the lymphatic system. I never get sick because those big fuckers catch everything I enhale. Lol

 

[Dr JIM]

Interesting. everyone I know who has it and even use the machine, not one of them is obese. Just as I’m sure the people here who have it aren’t obese.

“In adults the MCC of obstructive sleep apnea is excess weight and obesity” a direct quote from Web MD (and there’s a plethora of research to support their comment —- just Google sleep apnea and obesity )

Moreover there are several indications for a CPAP machine
exclusive of “sleep apnea”.

Just one of several reasons why medical information of this nature is best obtained from a web based medical board
rather than a PED forum IME

 

[miketee]

Thanks Jim. I am a fat ass too but the tonsils are the main cause. I never really had issues with waking up while asleep, but my wife always bitched about the snoring so I looked into it. The way I see it is this... if you wake up many times during sleep, you never get the chance to enter the all so important REM.


A sleep study does the same exact thing that the kit you can rent for $300 does except you sleep on your own time and in your own bed which is important to most people. It is a hell of a lot cheaper than a sleep study, and it is as just as good as a sleep study or else you wouldn’t be able to get a legitimate prescription with it.

With most modern CPAPs, you have the ability to see your sleep quality and monitor what the machine is doing. Unlike PEDs, you are either sleeping or you are not and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist/doctor to tell you this if you are smart enough to notice an incline in a bar graph. With PEDs, there are a host of other things going on in your system that does require a doctor to diagnose.

I am not telling the op to illegally obtain a CPAP. I just am letting him know the cheapest route for an out-of-pocket expense to help his situation.

 

[Dr JIM]

Thanks Jim. I am a fat ass too but the tonsils are the main cause. I never really had issues with waking up while asleep, but my wife always bitched about the snoring so I looked into it. The way I see it is this... if you wake up many times during sleep, you never get the chance to enter the all so important REM.


A sleep study does the same exact thing that the kit you can rent for $300 does except you sleep on your own time and in your own bed which is important to most people. It is a hell of a lot cheaper than a sleep study, and it is as just as good as a sleep study or else you wouldn’t be able to get a legitimate prescription with it.

With most modern CPAPs, you have the ability to see your sleep quality and monitor what the machine is doing. Unlike PEDs, you are either sleeping or you are not and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist/doctor to tell you this if you are smart enough to notice an incline in a bar graph. With PEDs, there are a host of other things going on in your system that does require a doctor to diagnose.

I am not telling the op to illegally obtain a CPAP. I just am letting him know the cheapest route for an out-of-pocket expense to help his situation.

 

[miketee]

Oh come on Jim. The suspense is killing me! I love your 1am posts.

 

[XKawN]

Sleep apnea. The biggest scam in the medical industry in quite some time.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Sleep apnea. The biggest scam in the medical industry in quite some time.

Please elaborate, kind sir.

 

[XKawN]

A few years ago nobody really even heard of it. Now they're milking truck drivers of their hard earned income calling it an epidemic.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

A few years ago nobody really even heard of it. Now they're milking truck drivers of their hard earned income calling it an epidemic.

i can say, i've experienced it a few times.
Very scary thing, waking up gasping for air.
Luckily, it was only a couple times and that was many years ago.

i would think if the medical community wanted to milk something, they could go after Fibromyalgia or Morgellons.
But what do i know? Self admittedly, not much.

 

[XKawN]

i can say, i've experienced it a few times.
Very scary thing, waking up gasping for air.
Luckily, it was only a couple times and that was many years ago.

i would think if the medical community wanted to milk something, they could go after Fibromyalgia or Morgellons.
But what do i know? Self admittedly, not much.

Ah shit. I just started looking up this sleep apnea scam they were doing to truck drivers. Trump overturned just recently so It's getting scrapped.

 

[Thaistick]

I'm nowhere near obese in any way of looking at it and according to the sleep study I have terrible sleep apnea. I tried a cpap for months and could not get to sleep one time with any of the masks. I don't see how anyone could sleep with that thing on their face.

 

[TRT]

By far the number ONE cause of
sleep apnea is OBESITY!

Nonetheless until such a DX is confirmed via a formal sleep study, what remains is conjecture.

I'm considered to be over weight but I have a six pack.

To get a CPAP, you need a sleep study for diagnosis and the proper settings on the machine. Then you get a script, then the machine.

Sleep apnea is a structural issue (bent or 'clogged' airway) often focusing on the tissue between the month and nasal passage. There are also 'brain' apneas (central sleep apnea) which are normal and not addressed by a CPAP.

TRT has been associated with increased sleep apnea (don't know about brain apnea). Did your doctor offer sleep study?


IMO one does well with chiropractor and physical therapy. But don't be surprised if apnea gets worse as you correct your upper back and neck. I've had lidocaine injections in tendons that resolved apnea for a couple months. Recently had PT for an upper back problem of decades. Apnea got much worse but gradually has got to were it was, however the back spasms for 40 years are now gone.

Am guessing that when one's muscle get more tone with TRT, it changes pressures along windpipe. Nothing like a flacid neck in good position to not obstruct. Think of it like when someone starts serious weight lifting (particularly w AAS), sometimes the muscles grow so fast they start getting pinched nerves or blood vessles causing numbness or other problems in the hand. So T changes the tone and dynamics of your upper back and neck.

When it comes to TRT, they are only going to say the bad new. However low T is also associated with OSA. See Testosterone Deficiency and Sleep Apnea. - PubMed - NCBI and Testosterone therapy and obstructive sleep apnea: is there a real connection? - PubMed - NCBI


At any rate, get your study, get your CPAP, then work on correcting obstruction(s). There is even surgery as already mentioned but it doesn't often completely resolve things and not the place to start.

Your pillow is the right idea - adjusting position to resolve obstruction. All a CPAP does is increase the pressure on the airways to 'push' against obstructions.

There can also be non-positional obstructions such as post-nasal drip or congestion.

My doctor didn't recommend anything. I wanted to get some first hand experience on this subject before I spoke to him and if anyone says "Well then how do you know you have sleep apnea?" Well I'm not waking up gasping for air every night caught I get off on suffocating myself. Lol but seriously, like someone suggested surgery isn't the answer and I could walked in there and said, "I'm ok with surgery." Not realizing it's not always a good solution.

“In adults the MCC of obstructive sleep apnea is excess weight and obesity” a direct quote from Web MD (and there’s a plethora of research to support their comment —- just Google sleep apnea and obesity )

Moreover there are several indications for a CPAP machine
exclusive of “sleep apnea”.

Just one of several reasons why medical information of this nature is best obtained from a web based medical board
rather than a PED forum IME

Like I stated above I wanted some first hand experience before the doctor gave me choices.
I remember a doctor telling me that I should take 2cc of test every two weeks too and at 23 knew that was bullshit.

i can say, i've experienced it a few times.
Very scary thing, waking up gasping for air.
Luckily, it was only a couple times and that was many years ago.

i would think if the medical community wanted to milk something, they could go after Fibromyalgia or Morgellons.
But what do i know? Self admittedly, not much.

Sometimes it sucks. I wake my GF up so she sleeps in guest room sometimes. [emoji17]

I'm nowhere near obese in any way of looking at it and according to the sleep study I have terrible sleep apnea. I tried a cpap for months and could not get to sleep one time with any of the masks. I don't see how anyone could sleep with that thing on their face.

I'm one of those people where it wouldn't bother me one bit.

Just to add to all this does anyone think it could be sinus issues? I just remembered that I had some hemorrhaging in the nasil cavity years back. Got into a bad fight at work. I also have some sinus issues now that I didn't before. My dad's sinus issues where bad enough to make him deaf or partially anyways.
Use to come over and the TV would be blaring and that's how you knew he didn't have his hearing aids in. Lol

I appreciate all the feedback on this. It helps a lot. Like I mentioned in the original post that my health is my main concern here.
(Meanwhile I'm over here cycling my ass off.[emoji1])

 

[miketee]

Sleep apnea has been diagnosed for a long time. 20 years ago there were no home machines. 10 years ago there were no home machines that were affordable and they were so loud they kept the whole house up.

Surgery is new and not covered by insurance. The last i looked it was 11k$

 

[Eman]

A few years ago nobody really even heard of it. Now they're milking truck drivers of their hard earned income calling it an epidemic.

You're an idiot.

 

[XKawN]

You're an idiot.

I try.

 

[Eman]

I try.

I would hope so, I didn't think you could be this retarded by accident.

 

[XKawN]

I would hope so, I didn't think you could be this retarded by accident.

I work in an industry where nobodies heard of this sleep apnea and one day they're being told they have to take these test, pay with thier own monies and if they fail could cost them thier jobs and companies can refuse to hire them. Congress and the president passes a law saying that dot and the doctors can't force you to do the sleep apnea test on bmi alone or neck size alone that yhere has to be other underlying health issues and still, every dot physical exam doctors office you go to lies and tells you it's the law that they have to make you take the test. Dot still lies to you and says it's regulation. And when you show them the law congress passed they just turn thier back because you gotta feed the machine. Here, let me show you my license and that i haven't had an acciedent or a ticket in 15 years, or that I'm not fat I'm just big and in shape. None of that matters. Literally, an issue that nobodies ever heard of a few years ago is supposed to now be an epidemic. All these truck accidents from the past are now considered to be from this epidemic. Naw... It's about money. They're nlt concerned about safety. If they were the biggest cause of accidents by far is pay by the load and pay by the mile. Those guys are trying to rush their asses off just to make a few bucks. But you go on believing I'm the idiot.

 

[Eman]

I work in an industry where nobodies heard of this sleep apnea and one day they're being told they have to take these test, pay with thier own monies and if they fail could cost them thier jobs and companies can refuse to hire them. Congress and the president passes a law saying that dot and the doctors can't force you to do the sleep apnea test on bmi alone or neck size alone that yhere has to be other underlying health issues and still, every dot physical exam doctors office you go to lies and tells you it's the law that they have to make you take the test. Dot still lies to you and says it's regulation. And when you show them the law congress passed they just turn thier back because you gotta feed the machine. Here, let me show you my license and that i haven't had an acciedent or a ticket in 15 years, or that I'm not fat I'm just big and in shape. None of that matters. Literally, an issue that nobodies ever heard of a few years ago is supposed to now be an epidemic. All these truck accidents from the past are now considered to be from this epidemic. Naw... It's about money. They're nlt concerned about safety. If they were the biggest cause of accidents by far is pay by the load and pay by the mile. Those guys are trying to rush their asses off just to make a few bucks. But you go on believing I'm the idiot.

You are an idiot.

Sleep apnea isn't a made up thing like you are making it out to be. I wouldn't label it an epidemic either but it's becoming more prevalent, Americans get fatter every year.

Neck size being associated with sleep apnea is backed by scientific data. Once your neck has reached a certain size, your chances for sleep apnea go up dramatically. I know from experience. I'm a healthy guy too, but I have sleep apnea because of my size so your logic completely falls apart. What other fucking underlying health issues do you think they'll find? They give you a sleep study, sleep apnea is confirmed, and you're no longer at risk of falling asleep behind the wheel.

You want to drive next to a truck driver going 75mph who hasn't hit REM sleep in a few weeks and whose O2 levels drop into the 60's for 8hrs? Be my guest, by all means.

 

[XKawN]

You are an idiot.

Sleep apnea isn't a made up thing like you are making it out to be. I wouldn't label it an epidemic either but it's becoming more prevalent, Americans get fatter every year.

Neck size being associated with sleep apnea is backed by scientific data. Once your neck has reached a certain size, your chances for sleep apnea go up dramatically. I know from experience. I'm a healthy guy too, but I have sleep apnea because of my size so your logic completely falls apart. What other fucking underlying health issues do you think they'll find? They give you a sleep study, sleep apnea is confirmed, and you're no longer at risk of falling asleep behind the wheel.

You want to drive next to a truck driver going 75mph who hasn't hit REM sleep in a few weeks and whose O2 levels drop into the 60's for 8hrs? Be my guest, by all means.

Why is no other industry forced to take these sleep apnea tests? Police, fire, airline employees, emts, doctors, etc, etc. Because it's a scam and nobody else would accept this. Truck drivers are kicking dogs that nobody gives a shit about. And i never said it doesn't exist. I said it was a scam. It's a problem in which the government used to cash in at other peoples expense. I'm sure it's real, but dot and the doctors pushing it labeled it an epidemic so they can take peoples hard earned money. And just because you come up with a catchy little phrase about driving next to a truck driver with low 02 levels doesn't mean folks should be forced to go through with what truck drivers are forced to do. Oh, and the other underlying health issues would be like high bmi coupled with high blood pressure, but not high bmi alone. So, how about this. You have a much greater chance of having sleep apnea if you are black. Should they force you to pay out of your pocket for sleep apnea test and if you fail cost you your job just because your black? It's about safety, right?