A cure for sleep apnea?

A car can run into a truck.

But to be quite frank i think everyone could be a risk to someone else if they haven't had a good nights sleep. If your on trial for your life wouldn't you want to make sure your attorney had a good nights sleep? And hell, politicians have way more lives in thier hands than a truck driver. You think if my little johnny was shot by the police you think i could say i want that cop tested for sleep apnea. Shit, these unions wouldn't stand for that.
 
A car can run into a truck.

But to be quite frank i think everyone could be a risk to someone else if they haven't had a good nights sleep. If your on trial for your life wouldn't you want to make sure your attorney had a good nights sleep? And hell, politicians have way more lives in thier hands than a truck driver. You think if my little johnny was shot by the police you think i could say i want that cop tested for sleep apnea. Shit, these unions wouldn't stand for that.

I see your point but frankly, I think you're using extreme examples to try and make your case.
 
This is from the FMCSA website.

Without delving into the particulars, an "11 hour driving limit"seems to be a reasonable compromise based upon THIS evidence.
 

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I see your point but frankly, I think you're using extreme examples to try and make your case.

Yea but some will never understand the difference between those efforts (rules, restrictions, credentialing etc) aimed at ensuring commercial entities continue to serve the "public good" and the FOOLISH behavior of individual citizens!
 
Yea but some will never understand the difference between those efforts (rules, restrictions, credentialing etc) aimed at ensuring commercial entities continue to serve the "public good" and the FOOLISH behavior of individual citizens!
But the fmcsa and the medical industry that pushed the sleep apnea agenda didn't understand the difference between require and recommend. The law said they weren't allowed to force us to do the sleep anea tests and the fmcsa had to switch thier wording from require to recommend yet you walk into the doctors office and they try and tell you that it's required by law. Straight up lie to you.
 
This is from the FMCSA website.

Without delving into the particulars, an "11 hour driving limit"seems to be a reasonable compromise based upon THIS evidence.
Again respectfully you have no clue what your talking about. It's not the 11 hour drive time that's the problem. That's plenty of time and frankly I think it should be only 10 hrs a day. The problem is our 14 clock that can't be stopped once started.
 
Oh but there is ONE huge distinction the LOADS being carried by a "big rig, train or school bus, involve Teens and/or Tonage and EVERYONE with a CDL should understand what such a difference can mean in LIVES AT RISK -----

Ask any attorney who advertises their services exclusively to those whom have been involved in a "big rig" accident!

And if truckers want to "drive longer" the onus is on them, or the trucking industry, to prove the existing restrictions are unwarranted thru evidence based studies .
Attorneys that target truckers are scum. They know we have a minimum of a 1 million dollar liability we have to carry. So they all see dollar signs. I personally carry 1 million with a 5 million general liability on top with a 250k cargo liability..I literally have to carry insurance for my insurance lol.
 
@Eman @Docd187123 @Dr JIM @Switcher @XKawN

Here's a study by the ATA you all should find interesting. But we're the bad drivers with sleep apne that your scared of?? Maybe you should be scared of everything on the road except semi trucks? 80% is a pretty big number in my book. That's not even a close argument on who the bad drivers are.


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@Eman @Docd187123 @Dr JIM @Switcher @XKawN

Here's a study by the ATA you all should find interesting. But we're the bad drivers with sleep apne that your scared of?? Maybe you should be scared of everything on the road except semi trucks? 80% is a pretty big number in my book. That's not even a close argument on who the bad drivers are.


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Looks like those CPAP's are making a difference... Good info, interesting indeed. :)
 
@Eman @Docd187123 @Dr JIM @Switcher @XKawN

Here's a study by the ATA you all should find interesting. But we're the bad drivers with sleep apne that your scared of?? Maybe you should be scared of everything on the road except semi trucks? 80% is a pretty big number in my book. That's not even a close argument on who the bad drivers are.


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FMCSA rules and regulations were a proactive effort to diminish the impact of commercial vehicle “driver fatigue” of all shapes and sizes, with sleep apnea being just one of many causes.
 
Again respectfully you have no clue what your talking about. It's not the 11 hour drive time that's the problem. That's plenty of time and frankly I think it should be only 10 hrs a day. The problem is our 14 clock that can't be stopped once started.

As I commented "without going into the particulars" ------ and why I stated from the outset FMCSA rules and regulations WHATEVER they are, can only be contested thru the appropriate use evidence based research.

And highlighting a study about who was "at fault" overlooks the impact of CD fatigue in accident PREVENTION. And I say this bc this is exactly how FMCSA views "the problem"!

Finally my GUESS is FMCSA opted for a FIXED clocking interval, out of concern
some would find a means of "cheating", enabling them to drive more hours than what were allowable.
 
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No offense on the ATA report but I would have to actually see the reports it says are being cited and what they actually found to know whether the ATA, a trade group for truckers, is giving a factual representation. A trade publication knows its audience and is more apt to slant reporting to benefit the audience.

Beyond that issue, there is NO doubt the average trucker is a better driver than the average passenger vehicle driver. I think Dr. Jim's thoughts on the presentation are informative.
 
@Eman @Docd187123 @Dr JIM @Switcher @XKawN

Here's a study by the ATA you all should find interesting. But we're the bad drivers with sleep apne that your scared of?? Maybe you should be scared of everything on the road except semi trucks? 80% is a pretty big number in my book. That's not even a close argument on who the bad drivers are.


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I never once stated that I'm not afraid of other idiot drives on the road who drive cars. Truthfully, I am.

I know trucking is a thankless but necessary job. I'm cool with all the truckers who come to my job for pickups or deliveries. The last thing I say to every single one of them before they leave is to "be safe". I know how car drivers can get ballsy and stupid around trucks.

The thing is, if I get hit by another car, even on later than mine, I have a pretty decent shot at making it out ok. Head on collision or even side impact at 40mph is gonna hurt and maybe break some shit, but I'll probably survive. That same 40mph head on collision with a truck and I'm pretty fucked. Same goes to pilots and I would say bus drivers.

I'm not against the truckers or making their lives harder than it already is. I would like to see testing for sleep apnea but the cost shouldn't fall on the driver. I would hope something can be arranged where insurance companies offer substantial incentives on premiums should a company willingly comply to testing across the board. The company itself can save some money this way obviously. Another thing wild be to subsidize or drastically reduce the cost of te test for it to be more affordable for a company to test their drivers.

I don't drive a truck and I'd gladly volunteer for sleep apnea testing bc my PCP thinks I could have it and I never feel well rested.
 
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