HIGHRISK
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Hard to say more when you don't have the knowledge though isn't it?
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A cure for sleep apnea?
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HIGHRISK
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Well do you? Or not?
Eman
Master
Then you proceeded to aim it directly at me and go on a rant, pissing and moaning about how unfair everything is for your industry.
Keep throwing your shit at the wall though, maybe something will stick...
Well, here is a fact provided by nothing but personal experience. Pay by the load and pay by the mile is far more dangerous than sleep apnea. You go from working 18 hrs a day 6 days a week being paid by the load to working 10-11 hrs a day and paid by the hour and your sleep problems are almost guaranteed to be solved. Seen it many times as well as experienced it myself. Do you think the fmcsa is gonna put a halt to pay by the load or pay by the mile in the name safety? Of course not. These lobyists for the trucking companies wouldn't allow that. It all comes down to money. Are we gonna pretend the medical industry doesn't have powerful lobyists? Are we gonna pretend that a lobyists job isn't driven by money?
On the contrary. I clearly stated that all 3 of us had a personal interest and were biased. It was you that stated otherwise.
HIGHRISK
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Once again and this will be my last post about this topic. You keep focusing on one thing. It's hours of service that's the problem not sleep apnea. That's what I was trying to convey to you and everyone else. Stop saying its sleep apnea ! We are fighting for hours of service!
And if you understood the context of my posts in regards to what I quoted and responded to, you'd understand your error.
And just the same, it's hard to stay objective when your "knowledge" is stained with bias....
HIGHRISK
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You took it that way. If it seemed that way then I'll own up and apologize. I'm super passionate about these topics. My livelihood is at stake here and everything I've built my company to be. This is all I have and all I know. I'm being pinched by trucking lobbyists because I'm mearly and blip on the trucking radar. Small businesses owner like me are being pushed out of this industry daily by big lobby and big carriers . All this is doing is causing more of a driver shortage and lower pay for drivers.
HIGHRISK
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And facts don't forget.
If you're a real Dr it's like me coming at you about healthcare payment and cost because my wife's a nurse and I've heard somethings.
Eman
Master
I can see your point but I disagree that sleep problems are guaranteed to be solved. Would you bet someone's life on it? I'm not 100% familiar with the industry norm of pay by load vs hourly, my CDL drivers are both. They also pay nothing for sleep apnea related treatment.
A school bus driver needs a CDL, would you put your kids on a bus if they hadn't achieved REM sleep in however many months? Would you board a flight with a pilot that was the same? I sure wouldn't.
HIGHRISK
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You make good points. But a school bus driver only drives a couple hours at a time then there off for a few hours so not really the same. Now a pilot I totally agree with you and I believe they have a very stringent regulations on health.
You mean would i put my kids on the bus or fly in a plane pre sleep apnea regulations and the answer is yes. I have and i would again. The sleep apnea regulations are whats in question not wether someone has had a good nights sleep or not. Unless we're suggesting everyone with a job that could be dangerous to those around them should sleep attached to machines to make sure they slept well.
HIGHRISK
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The problem I see is with sleep apnea is why is someone driving a truck,bus,plane,boat,motorcycle or and car or pickup any different? They want to pick and choose who they want to pick on. Imagine if every person who has a driver license had to go take a sleep test because there a little over weight? The public would be outraged! The guy in a car or a pick up is just as dangerous if he falls asleep as anyone else.
MisterSuperGod
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The fuck is going on here?
6 pages in and this thread is still on topic.
Disappointed isn't a strong enough word for what i'm feeling right about now.
6 pages in and this thread is still on topic.
Disappointed isn't a strong enough word for what i'm feeling right about now.
Switcher
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Now that I know the rule got pulled, I am terrified to be around big trucks 
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I think everyone that could should be tested for it, frankly. Just recently a lot of the sailors with whom I have served were sharing stories about falling asleep on watch. Its pretty amazing we haven't had more incidents than we have.
.I think everyone that could should be tested for it, frankly. Just recently a lot of the sailors with whom I have served were sharing stories about falling asleep on watch. Its pretty amazing we haven't had more incidents than we have.
Oh but there is ONE huge distinction the LOADS being carried by a "big rig, train or school bus, involve Teens and/or Tonage and EVERYONE with a CDL should understand what such a difference can mean in LIVES AT RISK -----
Ask any attorney who advertises their services exclusively to those whom have been involved in a "big rig" accident!
And if truckers want to "drive longer" the onus is on them, or the trucking industry, to prove the existing restrictions are unwarranted thru evidence based studies .
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To add to Dr. Jim's point, I have a hard time figuring out how a motorcycle could do this:
Eman
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I'm not sure why you think that makes a difference. When you have severe sleep apnea, it doesn't necessarily make a difference how long you've worked. You could literally have slept 14 hours the night before and work for 2 hours driving a bus and nod off behind the wheel.
Getting hit by a semi is a lot different than getting hit by a motorcycle... However, politics do play a part in this I'm sure. There is enough fuss about truckers having to deal with it, imagine sleep studies being a condition of licensing for any vehicle.
