A Cycle for the Ladies????

[Genie57]

Everything I read about females and AAS automatically directs me to Anavar. However, I'm aware there are other options for us ladies out there. However, It begins to get too complicated for me to figure out.

Does anyone have a SO or lady friend that could give an example of what a good cycle for the Ladies would be??

 

[RodgerThat]

There is a good reason everything points towards anavar but you are right there are other ways. What are your goals?

 

[ironwill1951]

their are not many choices for women , they all have to many sides .

 

[RThoads]

I would think for sure a first cycle would be Var starting at 5 mg a day and if you are ok then bump it up to 10 mg ED.

Likely a lot of room for decent gains just with the Var (maybe forever depending upon personal goals, or at least for a couple cycles regardless).

Next I would look at Primobolan.
Primobolan Depot - Steroids Profile

Some women use Winstol but I personally just do not like how it sounds on paper in terms of trashing the lipids and other negatives.

I have heard of some women using low dosage EQ.

Bill Roberts talks about Anadrol possibly being an am option for women.
Anadrol - Steroids Profile

A friend of mine is currently running low dosage Test prop at 5 mg ED (I posted bloods in the lab section). But I would recommend you NOT messing with anything other than Var or Primo until you really have a specific need.
[Bloodwork] **Female** Testosterone Prop 5mg ED (pre-cycle/4th week/5th week) | MESO-Rx Forum

Further reading:
Weekly Injectable Steroid Dosages for Women

Women and Steroid Cycle Length

Women and Short-Acting Versus Long-Acting Injectable Anabolic Steroids


An honest talk about female usage from an experienced female (people might not like her boyfriend for a number or reasons but that is not relevant because at least she is being open here and info like this is hard to find from women):

Best wishes--be safe and keep learning as much as you can.
Enjoy some gains!

 

[The Tone]

it would be nice if there was awas a place here on the board a section just for women for them to exchange not only cycles put information in regards to their own personal usage think it would be helpful to a lot of women. just my opinion

 

[kiwigear]

My wife's done DECA at 100mg a week and made good gains.. Same as EQ 100mg a week and good gains .. Epistane at 10-20mg a day. Anavar she thort was garbage.. Currently doing npp 30mg EOD with slin pin

 

[kiwigear]

Biggest issue with primo is getting legit shit

 

[Dr JIM]

My wife's done DECA at 100mg a week and made good gains.. Same as EQ 100mg a week and good gains .. Epistane at 10-20mg a day. Anavar she thort was garbage.. Currently doing npp 30mg EOD with slin pin

Only the most advanced competitive female BB should even consider Nandrolone bc the sides are quite well documented and masculinization is essentially guaranteed at anabolic dosages, as are vocal changes (some which can become permanent).

OP I would much prefer a cautious "tread lightly" approach of achieving gains over a PROLONGED INTERVAL as RThoads mentioned.

Girls are not Guys, duh and AAS use in females can really cause some serious changes (albeit most are reversible) in not only a females anatomy but also their physiology.

Var, of Pharm grade quality ONLY, is more than sufficient starting point for any female wanting to give AAS a try AFTER they have optimized their diet and exercise routine.

 

[kiwigear]

I'm sure the Dan ducain book said nandrolone was safer.. She made good gains on it..

 

[Dr JIM]

Biggest issue with primo is getting legit shit

Isn't that the issue with ANY AAS that is not FDA approved for medicinal purposes, and for that reason I'd suggest females AVOID ALL NON-PHARM GRADE AAS!

Yep this may cost more in the short term but it remains the best means of limiting dose and quality related complications, that are all to common with UGL AAS, IMO

 

[Dr JIM]

I'm sure the Dan ducain book said nandrolone was safer.. She made good gains on it..

"SAFER" COMPARED TO WHAT? I hope "gains" are NOT the only consideration, especially when it involves the use of AAS by amateur females. Their HEALTH should be the primary concern period.

I'd suggest you take a look at the 1970 literature on the use of Nnadrolone in females with breast CA and let me know if the side effects noted at even low dosages (50mg/wk) were consider safe? They were NOT, which is one reason "breast CA" is no longer listed as an indication for Nandrolone therapy.

 

[kiwigear]

In comparison to testosterone..

 

[Dr JIM]

If he did make such a comment (Nandrolone is safer than Test"), which I DOUBT, it was NOT evidence based bc no such study has been conducted. But based on CASE REPORTS and 1970 data on the use of Nandrolone in females with breast CA, Nandrolone had an "unacceptably high incidence of vocal changes and masculinizing adverse effects".

I personally see no benefit to the selective use of Nnadrolonein females, and for that matter males.

 

[kiwigear]

Its in one of my books.. I'll hunt it out...

 

[Dr JIM]

Happy hunting, but to ensure we are not comparing apples to oranges make sure the comment specifically referenced "Nandrolone as being safer IN FEMALES" and that he qualifies "safer".

In fact if you can post any evidenced based literature than genuinely supports this assertion I'll send you ONE HUNDRED BUCKS, as compensation for the successful effort, no BS!

 

[21s]

There's a woman at my gym who's gotta be in her 40s, not sure if she competes but she's hella jacked and hasn't seemed to have masculined one bit. I'm sure she stays clear of test and runs orals only, var seems a good choice.

 

[Genie57]

Thank you!
I can say I didn't think much of the video...downplayed the reality of the cost of taking supplements in excess. I only say that because I could see young people watching that and thinking...oh she won her class and came in second overall and she's back to normal and fine now so no big deal.....besides I take offense to any woman that represents females in a way that makes us all look like total ding bats

anywho,
I do appreciate the input. Some definite food for thought and reinforces a lot of where I was at in my thinking already. I am a novice and not ready to move ahead with anything drastic but still looking to do my "homework"

One of the things I LOVE about this board is your willingness to be open, honest, tactful, and to take into consideration the best interest of others. I can tell that the individuals here are mature and take on a great deal of social responsibility. That is important...I am old and losing my natural hormone production and seeking to supplement,
However, This could be my son or daughter who is young and easily fooled by fake promises and empty casual advice. You have all demonstrated great caution, not just on this one but on other threads as well...for that I thank you deeply! We might not ever know all of whom we influence.

 

[Genie57]

There is a good reason everything points towards anavar but you are right there are other ways. What are your goals?

oh yeah,
I forgot...

My goal currently is to bulk.

I spent the last 6 months trying to shred body fat and build muscle simultaneously and naturally. What happened is that I ended up over-trained, under-recovered, and washed out. I was prepping for a contest that I never even made it to because I was drained physically, emotionally, and mentally. I found out that I hadn't even spent the proper amount of time in the gym to prepare for a contest, let alone dieting down for one. I have been hard at it for the last year, and have learned a GREAT deal that couldn't have been learned through "taking someone's word for it." I have my diet in check and I have spent a great deal of effort and time in educating myself with college courses and research done on my own. I am preparing to test for my personal training certificate. So....I feel more prepared than the average beginner...however there is still sooooo much for me to learn.

I feel that:
I need to spend at LEAST a year building my physique before I will even consider trying to take the stage again.

I want to compete in figure and eventually, if I stick with it, physique.......no intentions on fitness or bikini.

 

[Dr JIM]

There's a woman at my gym who's gotta be in her 40s, not sure if she competes but she's hella jacked and hasn't seemed to have masculined one bit. I'm sure she stays clear of test and runs orals only, var seems a good choice.

DOESN'T SEEM is about right if she is using AAS appropriately. The changes in females are more subtle (or at least they should be) and include alterations a distant observer can NOT readily notice such as;

1) development of Lanugo (AKA "baby hair") hair that morphs into Vellus hair and finally into what is termed adult Terminal hair. The latter is hormonally dependent AND may bc permanent. These follicular aberrations are typically noted about the male "mustache" region.

2) As is the case with males, MANY females develop scalp hair thinning that is generally more diffuse rather than focal, the latter being the case in those males with MPB.

3) Clitoral enlargement, with more widely distributed and "thickened" pubic hair

4) Breast atrophy, the magnitude being proportional to the decline in E-2

5) Vocal changes can be subtle and are most worrisome bc some degree of permanence is the rule rather than the exception in many instances. Consequently variable tone/pitch phonic recording is MANDATORY for any female that wants to use AAS on a regular basis

6) Signs go hypoestrogenemia include amenorrhea, sterility, adverse lipid derangements and diminished mineral bone density and MS complaints. Fortunately all of these complications are considered "reversible".

7) Of course the ONE "beneficial" effect of virilization is enhanced SKM anabolism BUT the former is a hefty price to pay for the latter. All the above are legitimate reasons those females whom choose to use AAS on a REGULAR BASIS are best served by being closely followed by a competent HCP.

 

[Genie57]

5) Signs go hypoestrogenemia include amenorrhea, sterility, adverse lipid derangements and diminished mineral bone density and MS complaints

Thank you for pointing that out...one of my biggest concerns is diminished bone density. IT IS PERMANENT and IRREVERSIBLE and cannot be combated by simple supplementation with vitamin D and Calcium.
of course this is not solely caused by AAS. This is something that natural competitors and those who are on certain types of birth control should be cautiously aware of as well.