While the effects of HGH remain inconclusive at this juncture, most of the evidence contradicts your experience with regard to AAS and joint supplements.
Jim
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AAS, good or bad for tendon repair?
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While the effects of HGH remain inconclusive at this juncture, most of the evidence contradicts your experience with regard to AAS and joint supplements.
Jim
I only know how I feel, how I perform, and how I grow. Sure the evidence from the medical community? who wants to cut everyone open, replace knees shoulders hips ect with expensive devices. And get everyone hooked on pain killers. So far the aas are working wonders, one of my friends is on his 3rd knee surgery. So I stand by my experience. Do you care to share your own experience? or are you going to quote some bullshit study?
Show and tell anecdotes are often used as a substitute for those who can't or refuse to read, so if you want to rely upon the experience of one YOU, as the sole source of advice for others, ignorance is your destiny.
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So thanks for your big words. Of course you don't address anything that I stated of asked of you, instead you just orally fart more nonsense and foolishness. Athletes , which obviously you are not, I bet you never wore a jock in your life, have been using aas, with DR's for decades to recover and heal injuries. Go read a book and jerk off somewhere else! Plenty of bookstores with bathrooms you can find a friend at!
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1) That's bc none of it is worthy of comment
2) Oh look another bogus anecdote lets see the evidence to support this baloney!
3) Then by your definition an athlete is anyone who "wears a Jock, uses AAS, AND toots their own horn ------ so what Koolaid are you selling LMAO!
1) That's bc none of it is worthy of comment
2) Oh look another bogus anecdote lets see the evidence to support this baloney!
3) Then by your definition an athlete is anyone who "wears a Jock, uses AAS, AND toots their own horn ------ so what Koolaid are you selling LMAO!
Once again you offer nothing, know less then nothing and spew worthless bullshit. See you in another thread lol
And what do you offer, more of the same unvalidated anecdotal nonsense that's available on any PED forum, so what else is new.
You have all these AAS success stories really, prove it!
That's the difference bt an evidence based post and your
anecdotes, yet you will NEVER understand the distinction "bro".
I mean have you even looked at rhe relationship bt AAS and
tendonopathy or that of OTC joint supplements such as Glucosamine and/or Chondroitin, heck no the experience of one PERSON refutes all the world data, right. LMAO
Unfortunately for many the adage "once a bro always a bro" holds true.
You have all these AAS success stories really, prove it!
That's the difference bt an evidence based post and your
anecdotes, yet you will NEVER understand the distinction "bro".
I mean have you even looked at rhe relationship bt AAS and
tendonopathy or that of OTC joint supplements such as Glucosamine and/or Chondroitin, heck no the experience of one PERSON refutes all the world data, right. LMAO
Unfortunately for many the adage "once a bro always a bro" holds true.
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Ok here you go genius, since you most likely never worked out or run a cycle let me explain some basic things. AAs increase blood flow, increase retention of minerals, vitamins, electrolytes, carbohydrates and protein and a host of things the body needs.Also increases red blood cells AAS have also been shown to increase IGF1 levels. All these factors help the body recover form injuries, sickness ect. When someone has an injury, A HEALTHY ATHLETE NOT SOME SICK PERSON IN A STUPID STUDY, the body is more likely to heal itself if the right nutrients, stimulation, therapy is present. Adding aas to HGH only increases the effects and places the body in a healing state. Obviously some injuries are more serious then others, but if you think AAS dont have at least an indirect effect on any injury then you are a fool! Since you are such an expert please post some pictures of your great gains, leanness, strength achievements of shut the fuck up and go back to the mens room stall you came out of!! I dare you to post a picture! you are a fucking coward dork! Ive worked and trained with all level athletes for over 30 years seen it all.
Save your big words and bullshit for the fuck boys you pay to suck off!
Save your big words and bullshit for the fuck boys you pay to suck off!
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I've come to the same conclusion about him through all the threads.
Seems like he's standing on here all day long waiting to refute each and every empirical-based findings that one comes with, shoving you his studies in the face
Another "doctor" on this board who has way too much spare time
1) yea FOOD has an almost identical effect fella, so where's the proof AAS
accelerate that process in folk with NL
TT levels!
2) once again so what many factors can increase or decrease "IGF levels"
(and few if any of those PALTRY changes are clinically significant in the absence of a deficiency) but a cause and effect relationship with respect to healing is another matter and requires much more than YOUR "experience".
3) finally get over it dude but the use of PEDs past present or future is NOT a Meso "member" pre-requisite or qualifier. Heck MANY BB on Meso have never used heroin either but they know it's addictive.
So this lame notion someone must use PEDs to understand their collective effects is just baloney, but is typical of those whom refuse to learn!
And thank goodness Meso admin knew someone's fund of knowledge can not be judged by the size of their biceps, lol.
Howver if you want to make a spectacle out of your AAS abuse that's your prerogative, but bloviating about an "experience" that lacks exclusivity OR PROOF and can be "found" on any PED forum.
Sorry fella your just another ignorant "bro" in need of attention or SALES?
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CrispyRockClimber
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@Dr JIM so what's the answer to the OP?
AAS good or bad for tendon repair?
Will it help or is there no difference?
AAS good or bad for tendon repair?
Will it help or is there no difference?
It's ultimately not advisable. AAS does nothing to repair.
I am hoping GH will do something for it though
Heavygear
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It won't help at all and if you are running Deca/NPP they will mask the injury and you can injure yourself even more because you are not "feeling it" , been there , done that.
More excrement from the toilet troll who has never trained, never taken gear, never been in a gym other then to hang around the locker room. You are the ignorant fool and you dont even know it. Bodybuilding and gear use dosnt come from a book, a study or any medical journal. It comes from the individual through long hard work and self experiments using the guide of those with like minds and goals. So go back to the rest stop mens room you came out of and leave us alone with your complete nonsense.
PLEASE POST SOME PICTURES OF WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED AND EXPERIENCED!! YOU CANT AND WONT BECAUSE YOU ARE A FRAUD AND A COCKSUCKER!
Sure "bro" LOL
Oldschool
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I blew my bicep while on a healthy dose of EQ and VAR. Training smarter would be a better choice in regards to avoiding injury in my opinion.
so there are no books that help instruct someone how to BB? No books that focus on gear, what it does and how to use it? No medical journals that illustrate the effects of using testosterone or Deca or any other type of anabolic?
What's next? Blood work doesn't mean anything?
I understand the idea of passing down knowledge and learning through experience but to say books, study and medical science don't help drive gear use or BB is laughable. Medical and scientific proof is 1000X better proof of the validity of gear than a recommendation from someone.
I could illustrate how wrong you are all day but I'll end with this pic
Excluding perhaps those with hypogonadism, I'm unaware of scientific evidence AAS promote "healing" of joint related structures, in fact the data suggests quite the opposite esp when used in supra-physiologic dosages.
And the fact MANY BB that have torn tendons or other joint related structures, while running AAS is the type of anecdotal information "bros" like @stone988 foolishly ignore.
Moreover if AAS exerted an articular "protective effect", why are joint complaints so prevalent in BB?
Sure there are variety of reasons from heavy loads to body structure, but the bro notion AAS "heal joints" is another myth that is likely extrapolated from enhanced levels of collagen precursors in "cyclists".
And what is the most abundant protein in the body -- COLLAGEN ----- the stuff is EVERYWHERE and is the matrix or glue that ensures we humans have form around a bony foundation.
Jim
And the fact MANY BB that have torn tendons or other joint related structures, while running AAS is the type of anecdotal information "bros" like @stone988 foolishly ignore.
Moreover if AAS exerted an articular "protective effect", why are joint complaints so prevalent in BB?
Sure there are variety of reasons from heavy loads to body structure, but the bro notion AAS "heal joints" is another myth that is likely extrapolated from enhanced levels of collagen precursors in "cyclists".
And what is the most abundant protein in the body -- COLLAGEN ----- the stuff is EVERYWHERE and is the matrix or glue that ensures we humans have form around a bony foundation.
Jim
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You miss the point, so why do so many people ask questions about gear, contradict one another about dose, compounds, side effects the list goes on. If all the answers were in all the books everyone would look the same and one size would fit all. How many years have you been training? I read that book first edition in the 80's amazing book but hardly has all the answers about training and diet, even if someone followed it to the letter, and many have, they still cant make the gains they want WHY?! Blood work for health is vital! for anything else its questionable. Find me one medical study FIND ME ONE! that shows the use of AAS at decent doses with multiple compounds in a bodybuilding setting with adequate diet high protein with intense training for a length of time of 16 weeks or so. Find me one study of tren us in a BB setting and dose and a decent effective time frame. How about show me one study or book not underground that studies HGH at over 5 ius a day stacked with Insulin and aas. Dosnt exist. Are you comfortable and happy with the gains you are making? are the books working for you? are the studies by DR's answering all you questions? if so what the fuck are you doing here? Go ahead and take 100mg a week of deca recommended by a DR and let me know how that works for you.so there are no books that help instruct someone how to BB? No books that focus on gear, what it does and how to use it? No medical journals that illustrate the effects of using testosterone or Deca or any other type of anabolic?
What's next? Blood work doesn't mean anything?
I understand the idea of passing down knowledge and learning through experience but to say books, study and medical science don't help drive gear use or BB is laughable. Medical and scientific proof is 1000X better proof of the validity of gear than a recommendation from someone.
I could illustrate how wrong you are all day but I'll end with this pic
Thanks JIm
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