AAVANG (Lab tested source)

You had my email you had 3 boards to pm me on. Many ways to contact me. Yet nothing. And there I am on AR buying this whole story and trying to make it right with people. I even emailed you my surespot contact.

Bro I took care of those guys by pulling strings with robolics and a few others. Nobody is going to chance it now. What's done is done.

My trust in you is gone. I'm a man of my word and pride my credibility. Any attempt to take that down and I'm done.

I may have not earned the same respect here on MESO as I have on other boards but I will help defend any member here on this bullshit and make sure it ends. Every connection I have will make sure not to let you in the door.

No excuse is valid at this point. I'm well aware of the LE situation but b like I said you have other ways to handle it. You or any of your tm could have reached me easily to pass on a message or anything. That never happened. Yet you come here to make profit on more orders. That's ridiculous dude.
 
You had my email you had 3 boards to pm me on. Many ways to contact me. Yet nothing. And there I am on AR buying this whole story and trying to make it right with people. I even emailed you my surespot contact.

Bro I took care of those guys by pulling strings with robolics and a few others. Nobody is going to chance it now. What's done is done.

My trust in you is gone. I'm a man of my word and pride my credibility. Any attempt to take that down and I'm done.

I may have not earned the same respect here on MESO as I have on other boards but I will help defend any member here on this bullshit and make sure it ends. Every connection I have will make sure not to let you in the door.

No excuse is valid at this point. I'm well aware of the LE situation but b like I said you have other ways to handle it. You or any of your tm could have reached me easily to pass on a message or anything. That never happened. Yet you come here to make profit on more orders. That's ridiculous dude.
You stuck up for those who got burned by Xeno and much props for you to do that and sorry you had to take the hit when he disappeared and comes to light as a scammer. Many reps hate to be in this position and I surely do not blame you one bit, nor do your customers or your other suppliers.

It sure is a good time to thoroughly vet those suppliers you choose to rep for and just stick with those that pass.

Much respect!
 
You stuck up for those who got burned by Xeno and much props for you to do that and sorry you had to take the hit when he disappeared and comes to light as a scammer. Many reps hate to be in this position and I surely do not blame you one bit, nor do your customers or your other suppliers.

It sure is a good time to thoroughly vet those suppliers you choose to rep for and just stick with those that pass.

Much respect!
Thanks brother. Happy to do my part. Il be active here more to keep lookout for him popping up again. Clearly he will.
 
So..just looking at everything thats going on here. Xeno is aavang. Besides aavang denying he was xeno, is there anything else we have against him? Maybe hes been sincere. Maybe not. Let him take care of his old customers first and we'll see how that plays out. As far as tylerteo, and the other with the paypal cash cards..it doesnt add up and i would call them out as reverse scammers. Im bringing that up because i think that situation was taken lightly. And the whole deal with superfly kind of got in the way..even if he had good intentions..it was odd and kind of embarassing to watch. I could care less is aavang is being sincere or not on his reasoning for denying being xeno. But..if thats the only thing we have against this source as of right now..lets see if he does his thing and be a man of his word and take care of what needs to be taken care of. If he bails afterwards or we boot and bash him until he goes..the it is what it is. Not for nothing..if its not him, its another source coming and going. But what it looks like as of right now, everyone has gotten what they ordered..from aavang. As far as being xeno..its out now..either he leaves, comes back, or a new source pops up and we go through all this bullshit again..

He had all the opportunity to take care of the people who made orders. He had their info already. Even if he just sent them gear from his new lab it wouldve covered them. He didnt care until he got called out. And how we treat him here has no effect on if he does the right thing. Do you really think he's sitting around thinking "I would send them the gear I owe, but the dudes at meso are being mean to me"?

FUCK OBAMA!!!!!!

Great contribution from a well respected member :rolleyes:
 
He had all the opportunity to take care of the people who made orders. He had their info already. Even if he just sent them gear from his new lab it wouldve covered them. He didnt care until he got called out. And how we treat him here has no effect on if he does the right thing. Do you really think he's sitting around thinking "I would send them the gear I owe, but the dudes at meso are being mean to me"?



Great contribution from a well respected member :rolleyes:
I left it open-ended..i definitely feel like if he is being honest than he would have done something earlier. i know that post can be taken either way..but just pointing shit out. All sources here at meso have been nothing but scammers..every single one.. I also really wanted to see him take care of his old customers who he decided not to send orders too.
 
I left it open-ended..i definitely feel like if he is being honest than he would have done something earlier. i know that post can be taken either way..but just pointing shit out. All sources here at meso have been nothing but scammers..every single one.. I also really wanted to see him take care of his old customers who he decided not to send orders too.
Well TXTerror did cover them where he could and that means he's gotten effectively scammed too. Reps getting the shit end of the stick by the source is not a good thing
 
Shoot. I'm good. Take whatever I'm owed and send it to each person who was scammed to double thier order.
I can even bring them here to speak on thier behalf.

I'm hesitant to do that though for thier safty.
 
His rep should be reimbursed. And to be honest, aavang should still send his customers their orders. Definitly. Even if his rep already took care of it.

Or at the least send their money back. He could put cash in an envelope. Doesnt even have to put his real info on the return address. Theres a lot of ways to make it right, he did none of them.
 
You guys are not looking at this objectively at all, and i get why but when you keep saying i could have just sent the orders that doesnt make any sense. I had no idea at that point if LE had placed an order so i couldnt risk sending out orders, that was the whole reason for the change in the first place. It also seemed likely Tx was under investigation too, he even said he was going "dark" before i did because he felt so threatened, you can ask him he will tell you thats also true.

I did have all the time in the world to make it right while operating as Aavang but that doesnt change the fact it would have been extremely dangerous to do so. I was waiting until an appropriate time at which i felt safe to come back and ask for everyones order banking on the fact LE had already given up and they wouldnt be around to claim their lost order. Most people wouldnt even risk that. I was actually thinking around christmas time actually, like someone said albeit as a joke.

Not that anyone has to answer these questions but just to put yourself in my situation,

If you had every reason to believe LE was trying to place an order with you, would you risk sending out other orders that had been made in that same week?

If you had every reason to believe your rep was under investigation would you have contacted him at a later date to send orders through him?

What would you have done?

Most people would have just quit altogether and thats effectively the same and thats what i wanted to do also, the only difference is that wasnt an option for me, im not going to get into why but it isnt, but that doesnt change the fact i couldnt send out orders and no one else in that situation would have.

My best option was to change names drop off involvement with xeno and hope for the best. Operation cyber juice is not a game when youre on the receiving end, i know you guys dont really have to worry about it but i do, its not some far off thing for me its real and tangible and it happens.

Look at the facts here, there are only a few people missing orders out of the hundreds of customers ive had. If im a scammer im a shitty one. Tx knows everything ive said about LE trying to place an order is true and hes an honest guy, hell tell you he also felt threatened by the situation, he suggested that he was under investigation himself from how things went down.

I think the way i handled it saved both of our asses honestly, if i had done things differently we could both be in jail right now and all of my customers could have gotten a knock at their door. So call me what you like but before you do maybe think about those questions and what you would have done.
 
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Tx please send the members who need their order my way, im not going to go through the trouble of sending out bunk shit when i already have perfectly good gear made and i have no incentive to do so.

If i was going to send out bunk i just wouldnt send out anything at all and save the money on the vials oils filters shipping etc.. again, logically just doesnt make any sense to do so, if anything i look worse sending out bunk shit and it costs me money to do so.

Im really sorry about how everything went down but im not a scammer and i never will be. I didnt start all of this over whats worth 100$ dollars to me.

Im only giving this a few days before i pack up, again im not keen on going to jail so lets hurry up and do this.
 
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You guys are not looking at this objectively at all, and i get why but when you keep saying i could have just sent the orders that doesnt make any sense. I had no idea at that point if LE had placed an order so i couldnt risk sending out orders, that was the whole reason for the change in the first place. It also seemed likely Tx was under investigation too, he even said he was going "dark" before i did because he felt so threatened, you can ask him he will tell you thats also true.

I did have all the time in the world to make it right while operating as Aavang but that doesnt change the fact it would have been extremely dangerous to do so. I was waiting until an appropriate time at which i felt safe to come back and ask for everyones order banking on the fact LE had already given up and they wouldnt be around to claim their lost order. Most people wouldnt even risk that. I was actually thinking around christmas time actually, like someone said albeit as a joke.

Not that anyone has to answer these questions but just to put yourself in my situation,

If you had every reason to believe LE was trying to place an order with you, would you risk sending out other orders that had been made in that same week?

If you had every reason to believe your rep was under investigation would you have contacted him at a later date to send orders through him?

What would you have done?

Most people would have just quit altogether and thats effectively the same and thats what i wanted to do also, the only difference is that wasnt an option for me, im not going to get into why but it isnt, but that doesnt change the fact i couldnt send out orders and no one else in that situation would have.

My best option was to change names drop off involvement with xeno and hope for the best. Operation cyber juice is not a game when youre on the receiving end, i know you guys dont really have to worry about it but i do, its not some far off thing for me its real and tangible and it happens.

Look at the facts here, there are only a few people missing orders out of the hundreds of customers ive had. If im a scammer im a shitty one. Tx knows everything ive said about LE trying to place an order is true and hes an honest guy, hell tell you he also felt threatened by the situation, he suggested that he was under investigation himself from how things went down.

I think the way i handled it saved both of our asses honestly, if i had done things differently we could both be in jail right now and all of my customers could have gotten a knock at their door. So call me what you like but before you do maybe think about those questions and what you would have done.

Tx please send the members who need their order my way, im not going to go through the trouble of sending out bunk shit when i already have perfectly good gear made and i have no incentive to do so.

If i was going to send out bunk i just wouldnt send out anything at all and save the money on the vials oils filters shipping etc.. again, logically just doesnt make any sense to do so, if anything i look worse sending out bunk shit and it costs me money to do so.

Im really sorry about how everything went down but im not a scammer and i never will be. I didnt start all of this over whats worth 100$ dollars to me.

Im only giving this a few days before i pack up, again im not keen on going to jail so lets hurry up and do this.

 
You guys are not looking at this objectively at all, and i get why but when you keep saying i could have just sent the orders that doesnt make any sense. I had no idea at that point if LE had placed an order so i couldnt risk sending out orders, that was the whole reason for the change in the first place. It also seemed likely Tx was under investigation too, he even said he was going "dark" before i did because he felt so threatened, you can ask him he will tell you thats also true.

I did have all the time in the world to make it right while operating as Aavang but that doesnt change the fact it would have been extremely dangerous to do so. I was waiting until an appropriate time at which i felt safe to come back and ask for everyones order banking on the fact LE had already given up and they wouldnt be around to claim their lost order. Most people wouldnt even risk that. I was actually thinking around christmas time actually, like someone said albeit as a joke.

Not that anyone has to answer these questions but just to put yourself in my situation,

If you had every reason to believe LE was trying to place an order with you, would you risk sending out other orders that had been made in that same week?

If you had every reason to believe your rep was under investigation would you have contacted him at a later date to send orders through him?

What would you have done?

Most people would have just quit altogether and thats effectively the same and thats what i wanted to do also, the only difference is that wasnt an option for me, im not going to get into why but it isnt, but that doesnt change the fact i couldnt send out orders and no one else in that situation would have.

My best option was to change names drop off involvement with xeno and hope for the best. Operation cyber juice is not a game when youre on the receiving end, i know you guys dont really have to worry about it but i do, its not some far off thing for me its real and tangible and it happens.

Look at the facts here, there are only a few people missing orders out of the hundreds of customers ive had. If im a scammer im a shitty one. Tx knows everything ive said about LE trying to place an order is true and hes an honest guy, hell tell you he also felt threatened by the situation, he suggested that he was under investigation himself from how things went down.

I think the way i handled it saved both of our asses honestly, if i had done things differently we could both be in jail right now. So call me what you like but before you do maybe think about those questions and what you would have done.
So if you were worried about le why pick up their money? Why lie and lie and lie about stuff? Sounds like bs to me but hey who am I? I took up for you a few times but damn you went and done it. I would bet a million this ain't the first time you done this, I would bet you were that defcon1 guy that had weak gear and bounced on evo. The names are all similar, you want to own up to that one as well while you got this big heart/got called the fuck out?

Your list of questions were dumb because like I said you shouldn't of got their money if you thought it was le. I'm sure it was after you got their money you thought it was le right? Just face it man you lied you left people hanging you could of handle this better, hell you could of got with me and said something about this or about sending the people their gear that was waiting. I have talked to you and was always 100 with everything I said.

Oh well you have went to far for me and I'll never think you ain't a scammer no matter what you try and fix. At least make it right tho, it's not fair others have to fix your fuck ups, whatever you got to do money gear make it right.
 
So if you were worried about le why pick up their money? Why lie and lie and lie about stuff? Sounds like bs to me but hey who am I? I took up for you a few times but damn you went and done it. I would bet a million this ain't the first time you done this, I would bet you were that defcon1 guy that had weak gear and bounced on evo. The names are all similar, you want to own up to that one as well while you got this big heart/got called the fuck out.

Your list of questions were dumb because like I said you shouldn't of got their money if you thought it was le. I'm sure it was after you got their money you thought it was le right? Just face it man you lied you left people hanging you could of handle this better, hell you could of got with me and said something about this or about sending the people their gear that was waiting. I have talked to you and was always 100 with everything I said.

Oh well you have went to far for me and I'll never think you ain't a scammer no matter what you try and fix. At least make it right tho, it's not fair others have to fix your fuck ups, whatever you got to do money gear make it right.

All of the money was picked up before this went down, no transactions were picked up after that date. I know it sounds convenient but thats how it went. You pick up money before you send orders. All of the orders that were scheduled to send out that week it didnt happen but the transactions had already gone through.

So i dont think my list of questions are dumb at all.

Every single transaction was suspect at that point, it would have been asanine to involve myself any further with any of them. I mean really what would you have done, there is nothing, there just isnt, the only option was to wait it out and try later when it was more or less safe to do so and even that is dangerous.
 
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1 never be a source

2 never be a source

3 own up to my fuck ups

4 if for some fucked up reason I was a source I would figure a way to let someone know people wouldn't get their gear for a while

5 answer all questions, something you can't do

6 I wouldn't make up lies like you randomly thought le was watching you the same day you picked up however many people's money

7 not use some bs reason you and evo got lucky with cyber juice this was what y'all used lol and you hate people like evo right?

Oh and did I say I would never be dumb e fucking nough to be a open source because of the reason you are using to take people's money.

Anyway you fucked up you put yourself in this situation, you took their money knowing no gear would be sent out, you lied to all of us, you can't answer questions so that means you are lying. I could go on all night but I'm not going to, I just want to know if you were also that defcon1 guy on evo? Can't hurt to answer that now can it?
 
Look if you want to throw stones fine but at least explain the incentive for me to make all of this shit up and ruin a perfectly good business over pennies. Explain why even now im offering to send out orders.

Not to insult anyone but if you look at this objectively it just doesnt make any sense unless what im saying is true. I clearly have access and the ability to make quality products, there is no reason for all of this.
 
Look if you want to throw stones fine but at least explain the incentive for me to make all of this shit up and ruin a perfectly good business over pennies. Explain why even now im offering to send out orders.

Not to insult anyone but if you look at this objectively it just doesnt make any sense unless what im saying is true. I clearly have access and the ability to make quality products, there is no reason for all of this.
You got called the fuck out that's why lol, let me guess you was going to make right with them guys holding their dicks in their hand waiting on gear one day? Just stop man you are making yourself look silly no one will ever believe you because you lied and you took people's money no matter the amount.

Now own up to being defcon1 on evo!
 
1 never be a source

2 never be a source

3 own up to my fuck ups

4 if for some fucked up reason I was a source I would figure a way to let someone know people wouldn't get their gear for a while

5 answer all questions, something you can't do

6 I wouldn't make up lies like you randomly thought le was watching you the same day you picked up however many people's money

7 not use some bs reason you and evo got lucky with cyber juice this was what y'all used lol and you hate people like evo right?

Oh and did I say I would never be dumb e fucking nough to be a open source because of the reason you are using to take people's money.

Anyway you fucked up you put yourself in this situation, you took their money knowing no gear would be sent out, you lied to all of us, you can't answer questions so that means you are lying. I could go on all night but I'm not going to, I just want to know if you were also that defcon1 guy on evo? Can't hurt to answer that now can it?

Well i am a source so thats not a viable response to the question?

I did own it and had planned on it on my own when it was safe to.

What question cant i answer?

My last email to Tx was telling him to let everyone know that im taking security very seriously so i did let everyone know without saying "Hey LE just wait a while until i come back so you can pop me then"

It wasnt the same day i picked up money and it happened several days later i dont see where i said that? You saying its a lie doesnt make it so. Is it not believable that i picked up money before sending out orders? I think thats how all business's operate.

Im not defcon1.

You didnt answer the questions i posed at all but thats fine, im just saying man, none of this adds up if im lying and no one here has been able to explain that without overlooking something entirely.

Im done after this too, i dont care to argue anymore ive said what i needed to, if you cant use critical thinking or assess a situation logically there is nothing i can do to convince you. So be it.
 
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