Adex is not effective getting rid of water retention?

[cypressclue]

Hey y’all I’ve recently lowered my dose from 500mg test to 200mg cruise along with 400 mg masteron on the side. Throughout the past weeks I’ve been funky with my diet usually indulge in McDonald’s and cookies on the “occasion.” Because of this I’ve implemented.5 mg adex eod and so far I’ve been looking even worse. I’m much flatter, less vascular with a softer look everywhere all around. It’s been a week on adex and all I feel is weaker and shitty sleep.

Shouldn’t adex make you look dry? Especially on lower dose of test I should look better than I do on 500mg.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

You crashed estrogen to make up for cheating on your diet?

 

[cypressclue]

You crashed estrogen to make up for cheating on your diet?

Yes and lowered my test dose for better fat loss

 

[cypressclue]

I mean I don’t really see what like are you asking me a rhetorical question or like what

 

[T&H]

I mean I don’t really see what like are you asking me a rhetorical question or like what

Your entire reasoning for using an AI, despite lowering your test dose makes zero sense. Why did you up adex despite not even knowing if you need it? Implementing adex because you cheated on your diet is the dumbest reason to ever use it.

 

[cypressclue]

Your entire reasoning for using an AI, despite lowering your test dose makes zero sense. Why did you up adex despite not even knowing if you need it? Implementing adex because you cheated on your diet is the dumbest reason to ever use it.

Well I figured with low estrogen my body will easily dispel of any water retention regardless of carbs or sodium intake. As for why I lowered my dose, I am doing that to experience better results in regards to fat loss. 500mgs of test is a hefty dose which require 90% of guys to use an ai even at low body fat.

 

[cypressclue]

I also gather that insulin sensitivity will be a huge problem with e2 levels at 500 mgs of test. Masteron at 400mg wouldn’t be able to counter those effects unfortunately.

 

[Rido]

You have an enormous misunderstanding of anabolics man...

Water retention isnt isolate to e2 alone. its anabolics in general.

It would have been smarter to do a small dose of furosemide, hydrate and supplement K. Even then... you will look flat afterwards.

What is your bodyfat? I am assuming you are over 15?

 

[cypressclue]

You have an enormous misunderstanding of anabolics man...

Water retention isnt isolate to e2 alone. its anabolics in general.

It would have been smarter to do a small dose of furosemide, hydrate and supplement K. Even then... you will look flat afterwards.

What is your bodyfat? I am assuming you are over 15?

I know that which is why I’m against cutting at a large dose of 500mgs test. The masteron wasn’t able to circumvent the issue.

 

[Evom1]

You have an enormous misunderstanding of anabolics man...

This

 

[cypressclue]

I understand testosterone itself causes subcutaneous water retention which is why I lowered from 500mg to 200. 500 mg test is too large of a dose to stay dry and cut. My theory is that excessive androgen and e2 disrupt insulin sensitivity causing a flat and bloated look. By taking adex I’m fixing that problem and making my body respond better to nutrients.

 

[Evom1]

I understand testosterone itself causes subcutaneous water retention which is why I lowered from 500mg to 200. 500 mg test is too large of a dose to stay dry and cut.

This is false. Many of us who compete run more than that during prep and absolutely manage to get dry and cut. It's only at the very final stretch to reach that truly nasty level of stage conditioning that test is eliminated. But low single digit body fat is achieved with the test in place

 

[cypressclue]

This is false. Many of us who compete run more than that during prep and absolutely manage to get dry and cut. It's only at the very final stretch to reach that truly nasty level of stage conditioning that test is eliminated. But low single digit body fat is achieved with the test in place

Well yes with an ai in place I’m sure that helps to stay dry. Otherwise high estrogen interferes with fat loss compared to lower estrogen.

 

[Rido]

I understand testosterone itself causes subcutaneous water retention which is why I lowered from 500mg to 200. 500 mg test is too large of a dose to stay dry and cut. My theory is that excessive androgen and e2 disrupt insulin sensitivity causing a flat and bloated look. By taking adex I’m fixing that problem and making my body respond better to nutrients.

sounds like you have it all figured out. IDK why you even made this thread since you know better.



Its not like AAS increases angiotensin and water retention through that pathway as well.

it totally doesnt improve glycogen retention in muscles.


It definitely doesnt improve insulin sensitivity.

Testosterone replacement therapy improves insulin resistance, glycaemic control, visceral adiposity and hypercholesterolaemia in hypogonadal men with type 2 diabetes - PubMed

Testosterone replacement therapy reduces insulin resistance and improves glycaemic control in hypogonadal men with type 2 diabetes. Improvements in glycaemic control, insulin resistance, cholesterol and visceral adiposity together represent an overall reduction in cardiovascular risk.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The association between serum testosterone and insulin resistance: a longitudinal study - PMC

The objective of this study was to investigate whether there is a bidirectional association between testosterone concentrations and insulin resistance, in a prospective population study. A random population sample of 1400 men, aged 30–74, was ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[cypressclue]

sounds like you have it all figured out. IDK why you even made this thread since you know better.



Its not like AAS increases angiotensin and water retention through that pathway as well.or it doesnt improve glycogen retention in muscles.


It definitely doesnt improve insulin sensitivity.

Testosterone replacement therapy improves insulin resistance, glycaemic control, visceral adiposity and hypercholesterolaemia in hypogonadal men with type 2 diabetes - PubMed

Testosterone replacement therapy reduces insulin resistance and improves glycaemic control in hypogonadal men with type 2 diabetes. Improvements in glycaemic control, insulin resistance, cholesterol and visceral adiposity together represent an overall reduction in cardiovascular risk.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The association between serum testosterone and insulin resistance: a longitudinal study - PMC

The objective of this study was to investigate whether there is a bidirectional association between testosterone concentrations and insulin resistance, in a prospective population study. A random population sample of 1400 men, aged 30–74, was ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Like I said, it only improves insulin sensitivity when estrogen is low. 500mgs of test even with masteron is going to require an ai for 90% of guys.

 

[Rido]

Like I said, it only improves insulin sensitivity when estrogen is low. 500mgs of test even with masteron is going to require an ai for 90% of guys.

based off of what?

 

[cypressclue]

based off of what?

I thought it was common sense that fat loss is much easier in low estrogen environment

 

[Evom1]

I thought it was common sense that fat loss is much easier in low estrogen environment

Whats the leanest you've ever been?

 

[Rido]

I thought it was common sense that fat loss is much easier in low estrogen environment

So when people run a shit load of anabolics. they do not have a recomp?


its not common sense because it isn't correct.


AAS increase sodium sensitivity and cause water retention through multiple pathways. e2 is one of them.

Instead of taking a simple diuretic because you ate a bunch of shit food, you decided to crash your e2. Now you are wondering why your body looks like shit.

Now you have water retention from the shit food, your muscles are flat, and you feel like shit because your e2 is gone.

You are arguing with some of the more knowledgeable members here. I consider myself pretty average.

While you think you are right. let me remind you, the YOU are one experiencing shit symptoms.


You clearly have no common sense.

 

[cypressclue]

Whats the leanest you've ever been?

How’s that relevant? It’s impossible to get shredded with higher estrogen. Sure a guy who’s already 6% bf won’t retain much water but he wouldn’t be able to get that lean in the first place without an ai