Getting more E2 effects after lowering testosterone dose?

[mikeh1998]

Previously was running 1000 mg testosterone cypionate (split into 2 injections) with 25 mg aromasin 5x per week (taken with food or a scoop of peanut butter once per day).

On trough, this was my blood results:

* SHBG 7 nmol/L (12-60 nmol/L is normal range)
* Test 162.5 nmol/L (4686 ng/dL)
* Prolactin 6 ug/L (<18 ug/L is normal range)
* Estradiol 198 pmol/L (<160 pmol/L is normal range, 54 pg/mL)
* Free test 6674 pmol/L
* Hematocrit, RBC, monocytes barely elevated over normal range.

Since my estradiol came in high, I wanted to reduce it to within a normal range.

I decided to lower the Test C from 1000 mg to 700 mg and up the aromasin from 25 mg 5x/week to daily.

What I have noticed so far after 1.5 weeks of changing the dose:

* My nipples/breasts are more puffy more often when the temp is warm, like after getting out of the shower
* I have increased appetite for junk food like cookies and chips
* I am starting to feel nipple sensitivity just sitting at my desk or when taking my shirt off. It just feels more "sensitive" (don't have any other words to explain it) and can sometimes feel sharp and painful, like a razor.
* No actual gynecomastia tissue growth yet can be felt under the nipple, chest looks normal when I am cold

I am using the same exact batch of Test C and Aromasin. The aromasin is from a respected UGL source, so not real pharma tablets.

I think that it's odd that I am seemingly getting more high E2 symptoms after lowering the Test and upping the AI. Any thoughts appreciated.

While it has only been a 1.5 weeks I think that the increase in symptoms specifically regarding nipple sensitivity is significant.

 

[mikeh1998]

If it matters I have drastically increased my total sleep time and sleep quality in the past 1.5 weeks since changing the dose (which I attribute to lifestyle changes and not the change in dose).

From about 5 hours max to about 8 hours on average.

 

[buck]

I find changing the dosage of 2 or more things at 1 time to not be optimal for trying to effect a change i al looking for. After a week changes would probably not be real drastic, i tend to think, Placebo is always something to consider. without blood work there is no real way to know. But often low E2 and high E2 have many of the same symptoms other then breast growth.

 

[mikeh1998]

I find changing the dosage of 2 or more things at 1 time to not be optimal for trying to effect a change i al looking for. After a week changes would probably not be real drastic, i tend to think, Placebo is always something to consider. without blood work there is no real way to know. But often low E2 and high E2 have many of the same symptoms other then breast growth.

Thanks for the response. The post hasn't gotten much engagement I guess because there's nothing to really say. If I am taking less T and more AI the estrogen has nowhere to go but down.

The only logical explanation like you said is placebo. But I swear (trust me bro) I can totally feel the increased sensitivity even though it logically makes no sense. Too early to draw bloods IMO after 1.5 weeks of lowering the T dose from 1g to 0.7 g.

I noticed so many benefits of increasing my AI dose back (from 25 mg 2x per week to 5x per week) in December. I went from looking like I am just a slightly fat dude to actually being able to see my gains because I was retaining so much water. I saw of pic of my triceps from the back shirtless and I couldn't even believe the guy in the pic was me.

After getting blood drawn in Jan I was surprised that I was still in the high E2 range and so I decided to drop the T dose and increase the AI dose to daily at the same time because I don't think I needed this level of T given how bad my sleep is and since my E2 is already out of range increasing the AI would not be a bad idea.

But yes it would have been better to only mess with one variable, such as only lowering the T and not messing with the AI dose.

 

[buck]

Thanks for the response. The post hasn't gotten much engagement I guess because there's nothing to really say. If I am taking less T and more AI the estrogen has nowhere to go but down.

The only logical explanation like you said is placebo. But I swear (trust me bro) I can totally feel the increased sensitivity even though it logically makes no sense. Too early to draw bloods IMO after 1.5 weeks of lowering the T dose from 1g to 0.7 g.

I noticed so many benefits of increasing my AI dose back (from 25 mg 2x per week to 5x per week) in December. I went from looking like I am just a slightly fat dude to actually being able to see my gains because I was retaining so much water. I saw of pic of my triceps from the back shirtless and I couldn't even believe the guy in the pic was me.

After getting blood drawn in Jan I was surprised that I was still in the high E2 range and so I decided to drop the T dose and increase the AI dose to daily at the same time because I don't think I needed this level of T given how bad my sleep is and since my E2 is already out of range increasing the AI would not be a bad idea.

But yes it would have been better to only mess with one variable, such as only lowering the T and not messing with the AI dose.

I have had blood work done in the last few years with Pharma test that i got from a pharmacy in the US where i changed dosage but the corresponding changes did not happen as i figured. The changes were not as big s yours.

And as a side note after decades or TRT i have had my E2 levels go from 30ish no AI to almost 100 while using AI. For no discernable reason. Biology can change the best i can do is collect data then adjust what i think is best.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Previously was running 1000 mg testosterone cypionate (split into 2 injections) with 25 mg aromasin 5x per week (taken with food or a scoop of peanut butter once per day).

On trough, this was my blood results:

* SHBG 7 nmol/L (12-60 nmol/L is normal range)
* Test 162.5 nmol/L (4686 ng/dL)
* Prolactin 6 ug/L (<18 ug/L is normal range)
* Estradiol 198 pmol/L (<160 pmol/L is normal range, 54 pg/mL)
* Free test 6674 pmol/L
* Hematocrit, RBC, monocytes barely elevated over normal range.

Since my estradiol came in high, I wanted to reduce it to within a normal range.

I decided to lower the Test C from 1000 mg to 700 mg and up the aromasin from 25 mg 5x/week to daily.

What I have noticed so far after 1.5 weeks of changing the dose:

* My nipples/breasts are more puffy more often when the temp is warm, like after getting out of the shower
* I have increased appetite for junk food like cookies and chips
* I am starting to feel nipple sensitivity just sitting at my desk or when taking my shirt off. It just feels more "sensitive" (don't have any other words to explain it) and can sometimes feel sharp and painful, like a razor.
* No actual gynecomastia tissue growth yet can be felt under the nipple, chest looks normal when I am cold

I am using the same exact batch of Test C and Aromasin. The aromasin is from a respected UGL source, so not real pharma tablets.

I think that it's odd that I am seemingly getting more high E2 symptoms after lowering the Test and upping the AI. Any thoughts appreciated.

While it has only been a 1.5 weeks I think that the increase in symptoms specifically regarding nipple sensitivity is significant.

1. I dont know anyone who needs that much exemestane daily.

2.it sounds like you are scooping it.
3. I dont think you should be screwing with Raws cause something isnt right here. Do you even have any test results to confirm it is what it is?

 

[mikeh1998]

1. I dont know anyone who needs that much exemestane daily.

2.it sounds like you are scooping it.
3. I dont think you should be screwing with Raws cause something isnt right here. Do you even have any test results to confirm it is what it is?

I am not using raws at all, I am using Test C and Aromasin I got from a reputable Canadian UGL. I have not tested the products myself but they have posted their own testing.

If I were to use raws I would send them out for FTIR first. And mix them into an oral suspension rather than scooping them.

Is 25 mg/day really that high? A lot of people use 12.5 mg ED on 500 mg test. Since my E2 was higher than normal on 1 g I thought it was logical to up the dose and drop to 700 mg.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I am not using raws at all, I am using Test C and Aromasin I got from a reputable Canadian UGL. I have not tested the products myself but they have posted their own testing.

If I were to use raws I would send them out for FTIR first. And mix them into an oral suspension rather than scooping them.

Is 25 mg/day really that high? A lot of people use 12.5 mg ED on 500 mg test. Since my E2 was higher than normal on 1 g I thought it was logical to up the dose and drop to 700 mg.

25mg a day is a shit load

 

[AlexDavis43]

The post hasn't gotten much engagement I guess because there's nothing to really say.

You posted just a few hours before saying this. Not saying it's gonna be a banger, but you seem impatient.

 

[mikeh1998]

You posted just a few hours before saying this. Not saying it's gonna be a banger, but you seem impatient.

My bad, wasn’t complaining about lack of response but rather I thought about it some more and realized what I’m saying doesn’t really make sense since how the heck could lowering the T dose and upping the AI cause increased E2 symptoms. (Well I guess as said above it could happen randomly since the body isn’t a machine or it could just be placebo)

 

[Humble-Beast]

Hey, did you ever figure this out? Did e2 level off?