Adrenal Thread

Here is a link that should help you understand .
Graves Disease - symptoms, experience, healing [ grave diease ]
If I were you I would not see an Endo they are not good Dr.'s for Thyroid or low Testosterone try to find this kind of Dr.
American Academy of Osteopathy
Find an osteopath in US and some other countries
http://www.academyofosteopathy.org/findphys.cfm

Find an osteopath
http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=findado_main

General Osteopathic Council
Find an osteopath in almost any country
Find an Osteopath : General Osteopathic Council

Healthfinder
Find an osteopath near you in the US. Also links to site to explain what an osteopath is.
http://www.healthfinder.gov/Scripts/SearchContext.asp?topic=3786

*I recommend avoiding osteopathic endos. They seem to be the same as regular endos.

My bloodwork came back, I am hyperthyroid. I have an appt with an endocrinologist in 2 weeks. Any info for hyperthyroid?
 
Just had my appt. with Dr. Crisler yesterday.. When I mentioned that I'm getting ready to have four point saliva test for cortisol to determine Adrenal fatigue, he dismissed the test as invalid and asked me to do an ACTH test. I don't know anything about the later test and would like some info from you guys.
 
I dissagree and find saliva test to be useful... I did an acth stim test and came back normal when the saliva test did not...
 
I dissagree and find saliva test to be useful... I did an acth stim test and came back normal when the saliva test did not...

Yea.... According to Dr. John, you don't have adrenal fatigue based on the acth test. He basically went on explaining to me that it's a money making gimmick used by clinics and doctors...etc... sort of like the supplement industry... He said that a 24hr urine test is far superior.

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Dr John has a strange bias against saliva testing from what I read in one of his posts that no one will be doing saliva testing in 10 years that is rubbish. Look at Diagnos Techs history!

If it wasn't for saliva I wouldn't have gotten a stim test that I failed with an increase of about 12% that indicates primary; the gland is not putting out sufficient cortisol

24 hour urine probably is best for total cortisol as it is most likely for thyroid hormone rather than blood that can just cause more confusion
 
. Many doctors have told me they have never seen a case of adrenal insufficiency in their entire medical career. Of course not. You do never find what you have decided does not exist.

Regarding your last sentences, that many doctors have told you they 'd never seen a case of adrenal insufficiency in their entire medical carreer- thats true, most of their knowledge comes from books that were printed 10 yrs ago or from professors notes which exclude several medical facts depending on their professors standpoint.

I have to say that, really one or two doctors (from the 40 or 45 i met this yr) has seen adrenal insufficiency or heard about adrenal fatigue, or knows of sympathetic or parasympathetic overtraining yet ALL of them told me that i should talk with a psychiatrist or go on a long holiday.

Thats how easy they judge and make diagnoses-without even getting into serious testing. I think they feel obliged to jump to a diagnoses just to secure and excuse the yrs they spend studying (or trying to study and understand medicine-two completely different things) because they are afraid that if they dont give you a diagnoses you will go out disadvertising them.
Indeed their biggest mistake is not to admit that they are not aware of such problems or their solutions.

I know it must be hard for someone who has spent 10-12 yrs of his life, in order to obtain a medical and an endocrinology degree and someday he has to come across a patient who talks to him about saliva testing, adrenal fatigue, optimal hormone values and loads of other stuff he never heard of, but thats life. As well as in other aspects of life, medicine is under constant evolution. (recently i found out that my endocrinologist didnt know what reactive hypoglycemia was and didnt even know the relation between cortisol/adrenaline funtcion and testosterone was and which hormone limits what, yet he lectures about hormones in our university)- how the fuck is this possible now, dont ask me.

Anyways got my saliva tests back and i also found a very good doctor in a Greek-American Hospital who was really interested in all this, he also did saliva testing before and he said that it had changed his life. I have my saliva tests in a separate post as well for those who are not following with this one.

7-8 am cortisol 20 nM (normal values 13-24)
11-12 pm 5 nm (normal values 5-10)
4-5pm 1 nm (normal values 3-8)
midinight 1 (normal values 1-4)

DHEA 5ng/ml (normal values 3-10)

Cortisol/Dhea correlation spectrum shows that i am in the Non-adapted, low reserve adrenal categorie

I have some adrenal reserve but for some weird reason (which for me is not weird, since i have been suffering from overtraining for months now, this reserve gets very quickly depleted from noon time and on)

I have to say that this test was done when i was back on my feet, and under the use of some vitamins and antidepressant (diazepam) for at least a month. During summer i could rarely get out of bed and watch tv for example. I guess i should have done it back then, if i knew it existed.

Insulin <3 (Optimal 5-20 uIU/ml) How weird? I was eating like a dog, 6 meals a day and still had no energy to walk. I kept telling my doctors, that i feel i have some sort of hypoglycemia, yet they told me i was mad for saying that, since after 30 hours of fasting no change in my blood levels were seen. The blood glucose tolerance test that showed i had a massive drop in bglucose after the first hour was of no value to them. To them the only thing valued is the test they have been using for their entire lives. All their patients regardless, age, work, sex, previous health problems, current psychological, physiological and stress status are the same.

P17-0H progesterone 37pg/ml (optimal 22-100)

Salivary SIgA <5 normal (25-60 mg/dl)

I guess that this has to do with my sympathetic activity, but nevertheless in order to prove that someone must be able to understand how catecholamine work. After testing my catecholamines it was shown how increased their levels were, but still this didnt mean anything to my doctors till now.

Anyways, luckily i met this American doctor in this very good hospital who really explained to me what has been happening to me.
His advice was to take vitamins, C, B5, Biotin, Zinc, Copper, Glutamine (i dont know why glutamine-im not acutely overtrained) and vitamin E and

take 5 mg of hydrocortisone once a day but AT NOON time!!!

He told me that my cortisol levels are good in the morning, i shouldnt try to increase them more, i should just go an and add a boust of hydrocortisone during noon and maybe later on in the afternoons, but not at night or morning. I dont know, if this is good enough, or should i follow the normal pattern, 2.5 mg morning and then build up in the usual fashion as days and weeks go by.

I would like your insight on this one pls.

Take care. Soon i will come back with further saliva testing, i know its not optimal for all conditions but i want to doublecheck my androgens with blood testing in order to decide on future hcG use or not.
 
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Regarding your last sentences, that many doctors have told you they 'd never seen a case of adrenal insufficiency in their entire medical carreer- thats true, most of their knowledge comes from books that were printed 10 yrs ago or from professors notes which exclude several medical facts depending on their professors standpoint.

I have to say that, really one or two doctors (from the 40 or 45 i met this yr) has seen adrenal insufficiency or heard about adrenal fatigue, or knows of sympathetic or parasympathetic overtraining yet ALL of them told me that i should talk with a psychiatrist or go on a long holiday.

Thats how easy they judge and make diagnoses-without even getting into serious testing. I think they feel obliged to jump to a diagnoses just to secure and excuse the yrs they spend studying (or trying to study and understand medicine-two completely different things) because they are afraid that if they dont give you a diagnoses you will go out disadvertising them.
Indeed their biggest mistake is not to admit that they are not aware of such problems or their solutions.

I know it must be hard for someone who has spent 10-12 yrs of his life, in order to obtain a medical and an endocrinology degree and someday he has to come across a patient who talks to him about saliva testing, adrenal fatigue, optimal hormone values and loads of other stuff he never heard of, but thats life. As well as in other aspects of life, medicine is under constant evolution. (recently i found out that my endocrinologist didnt know what reactive hypoglycemia was and didnt even know the relation between cortisol/adrenaline funtcion and testosterone was and which hormone limits what, yet he lectures about hormones in our university)- how the fuck is this possible now, dont ask me.

Anyways got my saliva tests back and i also found a very good doctor in a Greek-American Hospital who was really interested in all this, he also did saliva testing before and he said that it had changed his life. I have my saliva tests in a separate post as well for those who are not following with this one.

7-8 am cortisol 20 nM (normal values 13-24)
11-12 pm 5 nm (normal values 5-10)
4-5pm 1 nm (normal values 3-8)
midinight 1 (normal values 1-4)

DHEA 5ng/ml (normal values 3-10)

Cortisol/Dhea correlation spectrum shows that i am in the Non-adapted, low reserve adrenal categorie

I have some adrenal reserve but for some weird reason (which for me is not weird, since i have been suffering from overtraining for months now, this reserve gets very quickly depleted from noon time and on)

I have to say that this test was done when i was back on my feet, and under the use of some vitamins and antidepressant (diazepam) for at least a month. During summer i could rarely get out of bed and watch tv for example. I guess i should have done it back then, if i knew it existed.

Insulin <3 (Optimal 5-20 uIU/ml) How weird? I was eating like a dog, 6 meals a day and still had no energy to walk. I kept telling my doctors, that i feel i have some sort of hypoglycemia, yet they told me i was mad for saying that, since after 30 hours of fasting no change in my blood levels were seen. The blood glucose tolerance test that showed i had a massive drop in bglucose after the first hour was of no value to them. To them the only thing valued is the test they have been using for their entire lives. All their patients regardless, age, work, sex, previous health problems, current psychological, physiological and stress status are the same.

P17-0H progesterone 37pg/ml (optimal 22-100)

Salivary SIgA <5 normal (25-60 mg/dl)

I guess that this has to do with my sympathetic activity, but nevertheless in order to prove that someone must be able to understand how catecholamine work. After testing my catecholamines it was shown how increased their levels were, but still this didnt mean anything to my doctors till now.

Anyways, luckily i met this American doctor in this very good hospital who really explained to me what has been happening to me.
His advice was to take vitamins, C, B5, Biotin, Zinc, Copper, Glutamine (i dont know why glutamine-im not acutely overtrained) and vitamin E and

take 5 mg of hydrocortisone once a day but AT NOON time!!!

He told me that my cortisol levels are good in the morning, i shouldnt try to increase them more, i should just go an and add a boust of hydrocortisone during noon and maybe later on in the afternoons, but not at night or morning. I dont know, if this is good enough, or should i follow the normal pattern, 2.5 mg morning and then build up in the usual fashion as days and weeks go by.

I would like your insight on this one pls.

Take care. Soon i will come back with further saliva testing, i know its not optimal for all conditions but i want to doublecheck my androgens with blood testing in order to decide on future hcG use or not.

Use Corteff, 30mg/day in divided doses.

Do blood test, best do it at Quest Diagnostics/Nichols Institute.
List for testing is on post #44
https://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html

There is no Quest in Greece. You may have to travel. They are in this countries:
Quest Diagnostics: Our Growing International Presence
North America - Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Dominican Republic
South America - Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Chile
Europe - England, France, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden
Asia - Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Guam, India
Australia - Australia, New Zealand

contact one of them:
Quest Diagnostics: Contact Us
or contact
Juan Carlos Altieri
Manager, International Reference Sales

At the minimum try to do the testing in your best laboratory in Greece.
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It would also be good if you did
Genova
(GDX - Metabolic Analysis Profile) including (GDX - Cellular Energy Profile)
described in above post.
Genova is doing international bussiness.
------------------------------------------------------------
Make attempt at correcting everything you can first,
then retest
and go from there.

Do not ask doctors to diagnose you (hopeless), just ask them for script so you can do the testing.
 
That is great you have a Dr. that is trying to help. I feel you need to support your Adrenals what this means is to do enough Cortisol or HC "cortef " to lower your Adrenal out put so they can heal doing 5 mgs. is only going to stress time more. If your adrenals are over worked they need to rest and heal. So the dose is 5mgs 4 times a day.

Go to this link and read the following links.
ADRENAL RELATED:

Those durn Adrenals!!
How to Treat your Adrenals
Symptoms of Low Cortisol
Weak Adrenals: an article by Valerie
Aldosterone can be just as important as Cortisol
Isocort
The use of Phosphatidyl Serine to lower high cortisol levels
Janies blog on her high cortisol levels
Missys adrenal journey blog with low cortisol
Those durn Adrenals!!

Each of the above is a link.
Also I think I gave you thes links but here they are.
Stop The Thyroid Madness ADRENALS FAQ–the most frequently asked questions
ADRENAL FATIGUE
Adrenal Glands
 
Use Corteff, 30mg/day in divided doses.

Do blood test, best do it at Quest Diagnostics/Nichols Institute.
List for testing is on post #44
https://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html

There is no Quest in Greece. You may have to travel. They are in this countries:
Quest Diagnostics: Our Growing International Presence
North America - Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Dominican Republic
South America - Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Chile
Europe - England, France, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden
Asia - Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Guam, India
Australia - Australia, New Zealand

contact one of them:
Quest Diagnostics: Contact Us
or contact
Juan Carlos Altieri
Manager, International Reference Sales

At the minimum try to do the testing in your best laboratory in Greece.
----------------------------------------------------------
It would also be good if you did
Genova
(GDX - Metabolic Analysis Profile) including (GDX - Cellular Energy Profile)
described in above post.
Genova is doing international bussiness.
------------------------------------------------------------
Make attempt at correcting everything you can first,
then retest
and go from there.

Do not ask doctors to diagnose you (hopeless), just ask them for script so you can do the testing.

Do more blood tests? For gonadotrops and androgens? I have done more than 10 blood tests till now this yr.. I just wanted to see if saliva testing correlates with my blood testing. I know its not so specific for male hormones but whats there to loose.
As for the Metabolic Analysis profile, i will get this done soon as well.

Regarding what my doctor said about 5 mg cortef only at noon time. I feel he has a point there, to just use 5 mg at noon, since my morning cortisol output seems ok, but yet you people should know better you are usiing HC long enough to understand the needs. I guess you feel its a low dose. But i wanted you to explain me why take cortef in the morning as well, when my cortisol is at normal levels? Whats the target?

Thanks, i ve been reading all your links they have been very helpful
 
Do more blood tests? For gonadotrops and androgens? I have done more than 10 blood tests till now this yr.. I just wanted to see if saliva testing correlates with my blood testing. I know its not so specific for male hormones but whats there to loose.
As for the Metabolic Analysis profile, i will get this done soon as well.

Regarding what my doctor said about 5 mg cortef only at noon time. I feel he has a point there, to just use 5 mg at noon, since my morning cortisol output seems ok, but yet you people should know better you are usiing HC long enough to understand the needs. I guess you feel its a low dose. But i wanted you to explain me why take cortef in the morning as well, when my cortisol is at normal levels? Whats the target?

Thanks, i ve been reading all your links they have been very helpful

Have a place where you have all your tests posted in organized, tabularized way, so it is easy to look at them.
Post name, value, units, range, name of laboratory.
In any discussions about your health, always put in link to that post, or few of them if you have more than one.

You can look at my blood test here at post #1 and #62
https://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-3.html


My idea of using Cortef up to 20mg/day (sometimes up to 30) is that it is a dose that basically does not affect body immediately because it is dose that even weak adrenals are able to produce. Reason for using it, is to give adrenals a break without shutting them down.

Cortef is short acting that is why the dose must be divided.
Sometime people are using longer acting versions.

During specially taxing time (cold, flu, fight with boss) additional 20mg may be helpfull.
 
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More blood tests, more insight yet more confusion as to what i must do.

So now all comes in handy and is well explanatory but i would like your opinion as well, as i m getting more confused about treatment.

I think i found the reason behing my depleted Cortisol Output after noon

This is my cortisol curve, once again

8am cortisol ----> 20 nM <--- (normal is 13-24)
12am cortisol ----> 5 nM <--- (normal is 5-10nM) - thus im on the lower margin at noon time
4pm cortisol -----> 1 nM <---- (normal is 3-8) - Depressed output
12midnight ------> 1 nM <----- (normal 1-4) - Normal



Insulin Fasting <3 Normal is 3-12 IU/ml
Insulin Postprandial <3 normal is 5-20 IU/ml (depressed)

Dhea 5 ng/ml (3-10)

And now i look at my norepinephrine values

375 pg/ml (normal is 120-350) and that measurement was while i was lying down in bed

I didnt have a testing while standing up as i was supposed to because doctors simply didnt think it was important !!! most of my problems come about when i stand up though

Furthermore i look at free testosterone levels.
My latest results are 16.50 pg/ml (8.7-54) is normal range
This is the lowest free testo levels i have been having in all my life.
Last yr i was also in same shit, overtrained the lowest it went down to was 17.5.

LH is around 4.5 (1.7-10) is considered normal
FsH is around 2.3 (1.7-12) is normal values

And now im thinking, 2 days from now im ready to start on cortef.
I was told to take 5mg of cortef at noon time.

But my goal is to bring down my high norepinephrine levels, limit this sympathetic overcharge, and thus decrease the amount of stress in my body and get back to the anabolic state i used to be.

My testo is low my while my cortisol is also low. What should i do? Try to increase cortisol or increase testosterone? Or both? If i increase cortisol, maybe i feel less stressed but wont this cause a more catabolic state? I initially got into overtraining due to drop in free testosterone (it was down to 8.5 eight months ago) and high rise in cortisol.

Anyone last advice before i jump into making some serious mistake.
Is testosterone or cortisol better for holding back and bringing down norepinephrine?

Last few days i managed to go running. I thought some minor exercise might bring some small ups in my resting testosterone levels.
I run about 500-600 meters and shot some hoops. I didnt sweat at all, my quads/biceps hurt a bit, but i didnt have dyspnea or bronchitis and that was good, yet i didnt really feel good afterwards. My temperature was still very low despite doing at least 20 minutes of running around. The only reason i thing i should take cortisol is to help my thyroid and my metabolism but i have been reading that testosterone can do that as well.

Last but not least TRT or HcG? My doctor said i should test again for FSH,LH and all androgens.

Maybe i should get some dopamine/serotonin urine testing as well.

I would also like you to suggest some books if you know about testosterone and gonadotropins and replacement therapies. I looked into google and found tons but dont know whats the must
 
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More blood tests, more insight yet more confusion as to what i must do.

So now all comes in handy and is well explanatory but i would like your opinion as well, as i m getting more confused about treatment.

I think i found the reason behing my depleted Cortisol Output after noon

This is my cortisol curve, once again

8am cortisol ----> 20 nM <--- (normal is 13-24)
12am cortisol ----> 5 nM <--- (normal is 5-10nM) - thus im on the lower margin at noon time
4pm cortisol -----> 1 nM <---- (normal is 3-8) - Depressed output
12midnight ------> 1 nM <----- (normal 1-4) - Normal



Insulin Fasting <3 Normal is 3-12 IU/ml
Insulin Postprandial <3 normal is 5-20 IU/ml (depressed)

Dhea 5 ng/ml (3-10)

And now i look at my norepinephrine values

375 pg/ml (normal is 120-350) and that measurement was while i was lying down in bed

I didnt have a testing while standing up as i was supposed to because doctors simply didnt think it was important !!! most of my problems come about when i stand up though

Furthermore i look at free testosterone levels.
My latest results are 16.50 pg/ml (8.7-54) is normal range
This is the lowest free testo levels i have been having in all my life.
Last yr i was also in same shit, overtrained the lowest it went down to was 17.5.

LH is around 4.5 (1.7-10) is considered normal
FsH is around 2.3 (1.7-12) is normal values

And now im thinking, 2 days from now im ready to start on cortef.
I was told to take 5mg of cortef at noon time.

But my goal is to bring down my high norepinephrine levels, limit this sympathetic overcharge, and thus decrease the amount of stress in my body and get back to the anabolic state i used to be.

My testo is low my while my cortisol is also low. What should i do? Try to increase cortisol or increase testosterone? Or both? If i increase cortisol, maybe i feel less stressed but wont this cause a more catabolic state? I initially got into overtraining due to drop in free testosterone (it was down to 8.5 eight months ago) and high rise in cortisol.

Anyone last advice before i jump into making some serious mistake.
Is testosterone or cortisol better for holding back and bringing down norepinephrine?

Last few days i managed to go running. I thought some minor exercise might bring some small ups in my resting testosterone levels.
I run about 500-600 meters and shot some hoops. I didnt sweat at all, my quads/biceps hurt a bit, but i didnt have dyspnea or bronchitis and that was good, yet i didnt really feel good afterwards. My temperature was still very low despite doing at least 20 minutes of running around. The only reason i thing i should take cortisol is to help my thyroid and my metabolism but i have been reading that testosterone can do that as well.

Last but not least TRT or HcG? My doctor said i should test again for FSH,LH and all androgens.

Maybe i should get some dopamine/serotonin urine testing as well.

I would also like you to suggest some books if you know about testosterone and gonadotropins and replacement therapies. I looked into google and found tons but dont know whats the must

Read page 6 of my test.
Start with
Neurotransmitters metabolites.

Possibly test like that would be helpfull to you.
https://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/77385-jansz-metabolic-analysis.html

Attachment #8 on that test have suggested corrective actions, names of supplements, suggested doses.
They do not sell supplements, you have to get them elsewhere.

Link to where to get that test in in post #44
https://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html
 
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Here is what I feel you need to do this is way over our heads and one guy I know that is dam good at this helped me a lot is Chris. Go to this link and post this to him see what he says tell him Phil sent you.
Real Thyroid Help Forums :: View Forum - Hypopituitary
More blood tests, more insight yet more confusion as to what i must do.

So now all comes in handy and is well explanatory but i would like your opinion as well, as i m getting more confused about treatment.

I think i found the reason behing my depleted Cortisol Output after noon

This is my cortisol curve, once again

8am cortisol ----> 20 nM <--- (normal is 13-24)
12am cortisol ----> 5 nM <--- (normal is 5-10nM) - thus im on the lower margin at noon time
4pm cortisol -----> 1 nM <---- (normal is 3-8) - Depressed output
12midnight ------> 1 nM <----- (normal 1-4) - Normal



Insulin Fasting <3 Normal is 3-12 IU/ml
Insulin Postprandial <3 normal is 5-20 IU/ml (depressed)

Dhea 5 ng/ml (3-10)

And now i look at my norepinephrine values

375 pg/ml (normal is 120-350) and that measurement was while i was lying down in bed

I didnt have a testing while standing up as i was supposed to because doctors simply didnt think it was important !!! most of my problems come about when i stand up though

Furthermore i look at free testosterone levels.
My latest results are 16.50 pg/ml (8.7-54) is normal range
This is the lowest free testo levels i have been having in all my life.
Last yr i was also in same shit, overtrained the lowest it went down to was 17.5.

LH is around 4.5 (1.7-10) is considered normal
FsH is around 2.3 (1.7-12) is normal values

And now im thinking, 2 days from now im ready to start on cortef.
I was told to take 5mg of cortef at noon time.

But my goal is to bring down my high norepinephrine levels, limit this sympathetic overcharge, and thus decrease the amount of stress in my body and get back to the anabolic state i used to be.

My testo is low my while my cortisol is also low. What should i do? Try to increase cortisol or increase testosterone? Or both? If i increase cortisol, maybe i feel less stressed but wont this cause a more catabolic state? I initially got into overtraining due to drop in free testosterone (it was down to 8.5 eight months ago) and high rise in cortisol.

Anyone last advice before i jump into making some serious mistake.
Is testosterone or cortisol better for holding back and bringing down norepinephrine?

Last few days i managed to go running. I thought some minor exercise might bring some small ups in my resting testosterone levels.
I run about 500-600 meters and shot some hoops. I didnt sweat at all, my quads/biceps hurt a bit, but i didnt have dyspnea or bronchitis and that was good, yet i didnt really feel good afterwards. My temperature was still very low despite doing at least 20 minutes of running around. The only reason i thing i should take cortisol is to help my thyroid and my metabolism but i have been reading that testosterone can do that as well.

Last but not least TRT or HcG? My doctor said i should test again for FSH,LH and all androgens.

Maybe i should get some dopamine/serotonin urine testing as well.

I would also like you to suggest some books if you know about testosterone and gonadotropins and replacement therapies. I looked into google and found tons but dont know whats the must
 
hi

i have been referred to this thread by the yahoo hypogonadism forum because there is relevant info here. i was hoping i could get some feedback from some members. this is my story.

i am 36 and we are trying for a baby and no joy so i have been tested and have low fertility. Light bulb goes off ! i have a referral mid may with the urologist.

since the age of 21 i have had non stop depression. i have always said to the docs i think i have a problem with testosterone and asked for blood tests. they are always normal. my life is great, so i cannot understand why i have depression. i am 13st of lean muscle, and very active, don't smoke or do drugs and drink maybe 3 beers a week. i already do the things people should do when they have depression.

i have some basic symptoms which never seem to change. they can be more severe on a day to day basis. at the moment it is one day good and one day bad etc.

what happens is like someone switching on a light. my body either comes to life or stops working.

this is what happens:

energy stops - tired, head in a fog, poor concentration
appetite goes
muscles decrease in size slightly - not as chunky
don't need to drink as much water
stamina drops off
not as strong
skin becomes drier
breathing tightens up (cant get a nice big breath full)
sexual desire decreases

i take one tablet of the AD effexor per day and carbomazapine (used to treat epilepsy commonly
nightly as a mood stabilizer. i have tried many timed to come off these things but no joy. my symptoms come back stronger and last almost permanently if i do.

one other thing, i had an undescended testicle and had it operated on when i was 9.

my thinking is i have primary late onset hypogonadism - low testosterone.

any help will be appreciated.
i am in the uk by the way.
 
hi

i have been referred to this thread by the yahoo hypogonadism forum because there is relevant info here. i was hoping i could get some feedback from some members. this is my story.

i am 36 and we are trying for a baby and no joy so i have been tested and have low fertility. Light bulb goes off ! i have a referral mid may with the urologist.

since the age of 21 i have had non stop depression. i have always said to the docs i think i have a problem with testosterone and asked for blood tests. they are always normal. my life is great, so i cannot understand why i have depression. i am 13st of lean muscle, and very active, don't smoke or do drugs and drink maybe 3 beers a week. i already do the things people should do when they have depression.

i have some basic symptoms which never seem to change. they can be more severe on a day to day basis. at the moment it is one day good and one day bad etc.

what happens is like someone switching on a light. my body either comes to life or stops working.

this is what happens:

energy stops - tired, head in a fog, poor concentration
appetite goes
muscles decrease in size slightly - not as chunky
don't need to drink as much water
stamina drops off
not as strong
skin becomes drier
breathing tightens up (cant get a nice big breath full)
sexual desire decreases

i take one tablet of the AD effexor per day and carbomazapine (used to treat epilepsy commonly
nightly as a mood stabilizer. i have tried many timed to come off these things but no joy. my symptoms come back stronger and last almost permanently if i do.

one other thing, i had an undescended testicle and had it operated on when i was 9.

my thinking is i have primary late onset hypogonadism - low testosterone.

any help will be appreciated.
i am in the uk by the way.

Get blood tested, list on my post #40
https://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jan-s-bloodtest-2.html
start new thread when you get the results or if you have more questions.
 
Hello...first of all sorry for my english,I'm brazilian and dont speak very well.

I'm on HRT for a year...and for about a 6 months...I'm felling in adrenal fatigue.A LOTTT of symptons.20 years old.
Hipothireodism.(1 year too)

my blood test.

Glicose 94 mg/dL 70 - 99 mg/dL
Insulina 7,3 ?UI/mL 4,0 - 24,0
Colesterol Total 123 mg/dL
HDL - Colesterol 17 mg/dL - ((( Very loww)))
LDL - Colesterol 79 mg/dL
Homocistena 8,8 ?mol/L < 15,0
Lipoproteina (a) 14 mg/dL < 30 mg/dL
Iron 55 ?g/dL de 59 at 159 ?g/dL
Ferritina 83 ng/mL 22 a 322 ng/mL (sorry dont know the name in english)
Leuccitos 2.900 4.500 - 11.000 /?L
Neutrfilos 1.119 38,6 de 45,5 at 73,5 %
Eosinfilos 238 8,2 de 0,0 at 4,4 %
Basfilos 12 0,4 de 0,0 at 1,0 %
Linfcitos 1.325 45,7 de 20,3 at 47,0 %
Moncitos 206 7,1 de 2,0 at 10,0 %
Fibrinognio 365,80 mg/dL 180,00 a 350,00 (WHAT IS THIS??)
Dehidroepiandrosterona (DHEA) 3,70 ng/mL 1,40 a 12,50 ng/mL (((LOWW))
Sulfato de Dehidroepiandrosterona 1.920 ng/mL 800 a 5.600 ng/mL ((LOW)))
Testosterona Total 3.994 ng/dL (800mg of test per week,I was doing this exam in my cycle)
Estradiol 15,3 pg/mL 0-42 (1/2 letrozol monday - fryday)
Progesterona 1,8 ng/mL < 1,0
SHBG 5,6 nmol/L 13-71nmol/L (stanozolol)
TSH 0,431 ?UI/mL 0,350 a 5,500
T3 91 ng/dL 70 a 220 ng/dL (LOW)
T4 free 2,31 ng/dL 0,89 a 1,76 ng/dL ( 200mcg of T4 levotiroxin)
IGFBP3 2,71 ?g/mL 3,40 a 7,80
IGF-1 (Somatomedina C) 204,0 ng/mL 127,0 a 424,0
Serotonina - 5HT 160,7 ng/mL de 117,5 at 193,3
Cortisol 20,0 ?g/dL De 4 a 22 (7h AM)(BLOOD)


What do you think???

I dont have doc,I'm doing all ALONE.Need some Help.

I'm thinking about taking cortisone,if I'm fell better I continue....but in BRAZIL dont have HYDROcortisone....have predsolone and others,and I dont know about dosages.
 
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