Advice on My Planned 2nd Cycle

[jewberg]

hello friends,

did a 14 week cycle early this year and had great results. i had dabbled before but never did a proper cycle. I had already lost a LOT of fat, and wanted to stay around the same weight, basically just recomp and gain some muscle back and hopefully lose some of the more stubborn fat (very happy with the results @ 6'1" 210lb, look and feel much better at a similar weight). diet was keto, around 20g carbs daily

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Here is what i did last time:

-test P/Sust/C 600mg/wk (kickstarted with P, used S and C for the majority, then switched back to P at the end so that there was less waiting on esters to clear before PCT)

-HCG 250 iu 2x/wk from first week until end, and blasted similar to the PowerPCT protocol while waiting for esters to clear

- HGH 4 iu /day (added at week 12-14 and ran through PCT). i didnt expect much from the gh, but as soon as i added it my abs started popping like never before, seemed to work REALLY well in combination with test for losing stubborn fat,

- Aromasin EOD @ 12.5mg

- PCT was standard Clomid/Nolva with HCG, similar to powerpct (i seemed to recover great, felt slightly shut down for about a week a month after PCT, but it was not as bad as i expected, very manageable.
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Finished PCT mid May. maintained all my fat loss and most of my gains. i probably should have done about 3-400mg instead of 600, not because of any side effects or anything (didnt have anything but minor acne and constant boners), but because i think i would have had similar/same results off of a smaller dose (fresh receptors, etc)

i want to try to do another cycle and finish it before newyears (lots of traveling, dont want to be worrying about gear)

I am having bloodwork done monday to figure out exactly how well i recovered (unfortunately i didnt get a baseline test before my first cycle though) and how safe it is to start back soon so i can finish 12 weeks before new years. I feel great, morning wood every morning, and am relatively sure i am recovered, but want to at least have a baseline bloodtest this time. planning to get started after the blood test

i had considered doing test, EQ, tren, t3, and GH for this cycle (because they are available to me), but realized how dumb that was for a 2nd cycle. i had used EQ alone once (dabbling before i understood anything) and it made my bloodpressure CRAZY HIGH even at low doses, which makes me want to avoid it even though it is handy. and obviously tren, for the same reasons as everyone else (though i figure i should hold off on that till i stop getting the results i want on milder compounds) . Not wanting to add more than 1 new compound at a time, i started looking at some of the least harsh (hairline and liver) stacks that i should consider. my liver has had a rough life, so i have avoided all orals, even though i have access to anavar and proviron

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What i am considering for 2nd cycle:

Option #1: test 600mg/wk, primo 500mg/wk, aromasin, possibly finasteride (hairloss hasnt been an issue yet, but i want to play it safe as possible, thou PFS is scary too)

Option #2: test 500mg/wk, deca/NPP 400mg/wk , gh 4iu/d, aromasin, (caber?), (finasteride?)

Option #3: test 600mg/wk, gh 4iu/d (same as last cycle, but run the GH the whole time instead of only at the end)
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I think i am leaning toward #3, since it worked so well last time. Thought about test + tren at low dose, but seems unnecessary (for now) as well as test+gh worked before. I am not so familiar with mast, primo, deca family, etc.. primo sounds like a good match for me, but at that price would have to pick between that and the GH. i know gh is more of an advanced compound and didnt expect much bang for my buck, but it really synergized d well with the test last cycle.. let me know if you have any questions or need any more info

i would really appreciate any feedback, advice, etc., regarding my planned cycle, the safety of my timing (i know technically i should probably wait another month or so, but i feel fine and hopefully bloods will say the same), compounds i plan to use, or better suggestions.

thanks for everything guys, really appreciate all the knowledge that gets shared on here

 

[taco33150]

You realize you could’ve just run sustanon the first time right...
And you want to run either primo deca and hgh on your next run.. those are gonna be lengthy and pricey cycles..what’s your goal this time..
More importantly what’s your diet and training

 

[master.on]

Your EQ was likely fake. EQ doesn't raise BP like that. Maybe it's actually Test.

Anyhow my suggestion is
Test 400 mg
Deca/npp 300
Primo 700
Add HCG + tiny dose AI
leave the GH for a later stage.

 

[jewberg]

thanks for the replies guys.

You realize you could’ve just run sustanon the first time right...
And you want to run either primo deca and hgh on your next run.. those are gonna be lengthy and pricey cycles..what’s your goal this time..
More importantly what’s your diet and training

i know i could have, but i wanted to kickstart the beginning with prop, and switched to prop at the end as well so that i only had to wait 1 week for esters to clear before PCT instead of the month it would have taken for Sustanon to completely clear. also, sustanon has far less total testosterone per mg than prop (most of it is from heavy esters)

diet and training: like i said, keto, about 12% ish body fat, and really disciplined with my diet. i run deficit when trying to lose, and a surplus when trying to gain. i tend to lift every day and do cardio twice a week.

as i said, im leaning towards option #3. i know i could just do test only and probably do fine, but the couple of weeks i ran gh and test really worked well for me, abs started to pop and have ever since, plus lost some stubborn fat. as well as it worked last time makes me think i should just do it again, but for the whole 12 weeks this time (and maybe run the gh into PCT and time off, probably not though, like you said, expensive). deca doesnt fit well with my timeframe for this one. primo sounds interesting for my goals, but damn expensive

goals this time: like i was saying, i want to stay around the same weight, just develop more definition and cut up a bit more, and ideally lose a few more points of body fat. just training for aesthetics and how i want to look/feel, so no need to do anything crazy. not a full cut, because i want to stay around the same weight, id like to end up under 10% this time, which should be pretty feasible, but dont want to risk the hairline or liver or health too much

Your EQ was likely fake. EQ doesn't raise BP like that. Maybe it's actually Test.

Anyhow my suggestion is
Test 400 mg
Deca/npp 300
Primo 700
Add HCG + tiny dose AI
leave the GH for a later stage.

thanks for the advice my friend!

the eq was real for 100% sure, it was pharma. it was brand name Equipoise in a 50 ml bottle, from a veterinary pharmacy. i think the high bp was from the elevated hematocrit (the reason many people give blood on EQ), especially since when i gave blood while using it they said my hemoglobin was triple the high end of normal.. both times i used it, even in very low doses (like 100mg/wk, had no idea what i was doing) my BP would go insane, like 196/92. that was 10 years ago though, before i had a clue about any of this stuff, had no business fooling with it at that age.

sounds like a killer cycle, i was gonna try not to add more than one new compound at a time though.. also primo is crazy expensive, even more so than GH (blows my mind), i was initially planning on doing just primo and test this round, but when i saw the cost i figured might as well just stick with the gh and test that worked so well at the end of my first cycle.

if i was going to run deca it should be the NPP variety right? seems like the long esters would need a cycle longer than 12 weeks... primo sounds great, relatively safe, good for long term gains, good for my goals since im not trying to get tren big right now, etc, so sounds perfect.. price is just wacky (even compared to gh lol...)

 

[taco33150]

You still need to run primo longer than 12 weeks

 

[barneys]

Option 2 looks good, but I don't believe you need GH for a second cycle. That's for dudes who need to reach monster level, like Bradley Martyn, Calum von Moger etc

 

[Marcus]

Your EQ was likely fake. EQ doesn't raise BP like that. Maybe it's actually Test.

This is flat out wrong. It can absolutely raise BP amongst other things as well