Advice please...

[Throwback]

Background....Im 63, started lifting at 54. Took off from late 2021 to mid year 2025.
Started this cycle on Dec 7 2025.
Weeks 1 to 4
300mg tren a weekly
600mg test cyp weekly
60mg dbol on lifting days 3 to 4 days per week.
Starting weight 176lbs
Currently 3 weeks into phase 2 or week 5 to 12 which was supposed to be
EOD 250mg test C
100mg npp
But since the 7 of jan through the 18th i was suffering extreme tiredness and it was getting difficult to even go workout.
So a week ago i added back into the mix 50mg trenA on the day i dont inject the test and npp.
Its been a game changer it seems to me.
I tolerate tren well at this dose anyway... and as of today my bp 30 minutes post gym was 111 over 68.
Weight is up to 196 and it doesnt appear that Im holding much water.
Pulling bloods this week as I may need to hit a mg arimidex if my e2 has crept up. Typically that mg of ai split in 1/2 over a week .5 mon .5 thurs knocks my e2 back into the 40s from the 70s.
They say 2 19 nor substances should usually not be mixed but i have noticed no bad sides........
So my question is
Would you continue the test npp tren blast through week 12, or stop npp increase the tren A to 100mg eod and keep the test at 250 eod through week 12.
Weeks 12 to 16 i am adding back dbol at 60mg on lifting days, tren A 100mg eod and test will be 250 eod.
Then back to 150mg weekly trt.
All my stuff is either pharma or Defiant
Pic is 196lbs 5'8 today

Advice?

 

[Ateam2023]

Background....Im 63, started lifting at 54. Took off from late 2021 to mid year 2025.
Started this cycle on Dec 7 2025.
Weeks 1 to 4
300mg tren a weekly
600mg test cyp weekly
60mg dbol on lifting days 3 to 4 days per week.
Starting weight 176lbs
Currently 3 weeks into phase 2 or week 5 to 12 which was supposed to be
EOD 250mg test C
100mg npp
But since the 7 of jan through the 18th i was suffering extreme tiredness and it was getting difficult to even go workout.
So a week ago i added back into the mix 50mg trenA on the day i dont inject the test and npp.
Its been a game changer it seems to me.
I tolerate tren well at this dose anyway... and as of today my bp 30 minutes post gym was 111 over 68.
Weight is up to 196 and it doesnt appear that Im holding much water.
Pulling bloods this week as I may need to hit a mg arimidex if my e2 has crept up. Typically that mg of ai split in 1/2 over a week .5 mon .5 thurs knocks my e2 back into the 40s from the 70s.
They say 2 19 nor substances should usually not be mixed but i have noticed no bad sides........
So my question is
Would you continue the test npp tren blast through week 12, or stop npp increase the tren A to 100mg eod and keep the test at 250 eod through week 12.
Weeks 12 to 16 i am adding back dbol at 60mg on lifting days, tren A 100mg eod and test will be 250 eod.
Then back to 150mg weekly trt.
All my stuff is either pharma or Defiant
Pic is 196lbs 5'8 todayView attachment 375817

Advice?

Not bad for 63

 

[deadlifti1979]

I can not answer your question: I'm sure someone will. I can say with enthusiasm --->I hope I Still look good @ 63 Brother!

 

[Jackedjack8273648]

Well, I have absolutely no advice. You’re tolerating things my dainty 35-year-old body absolutely could not. But I do have a question, what is your goal? Do you have a competition at the end of 12 weeks? Can we get some before and after at the end of this? I’d love to see what the kitchen sink can really do for a man in 12 weeks.

 

[Throwback]

Well, I have absolutely no advice. You’re tolerating things my dainty 35-year-old body absolutely could not. But I do have a question, what is your goal? Do you have a competition at the end of 12 weeks? Can we get some before and after at the end of this? I’d love to see what the kitchen sink can really do for a man in 12 weeks.

Yeah i can do before and after but its 16 weeks the last 4 the tren goes up and dbol comes back....
Im pretty well pleased so far tho

 

[BALLISTIC]

Background....Im 63, started lifting at 54. Took off from late 2021 to mid year 2025.
Started this cycle on Dec 7 2025.
Weeks 1 to 4
300mg tren a weekly
600mg test cyp weekly
60mg dbol on lifting days 3 to 4 days per week.
Starting weight 176lbs
Currently 3 weeks into phase 2 or week 5 to 12 which was supposed to be
EOD 250mg test C
100mg npp
But since the 7 of jan through the 18th i was suffering extreme tiredness and it was getting difficult to even go workout.
So a week ago i added back into the mix 50mg trenA on the day i dont inject the test and npp.
Its been a game changer it seems to me.
I tolerate tren well at this dose anyway... and as of today my bp 30 minutes post gym was 111 over 68.
Weight is up to 196 and it doesnt appear that Im holding much water.
Pulling bloods this week as I may need to hit a mg arimidex if my e2 has crept up. Typically that mg of ai split in 1/2 over a week .5 mon .5 thurs knocks my e2 back into the 40s from the 70s.
They say 2 19 nor substances should usually not be mixed but i have noticed no bad sides........
So my question is
Would you continue the test npp tren blast through week 12, or stop npp increase the tren A to 100mg eod and keep the test at 250 eod through week 12.
Weeks 12 to 16 i am adding back dbol at 60mg on lifting days, tren A 100mg eod and test will be 250 eod.
Then back to 150mg weekly trt.
All my stuff is either pharma or Defiant
Pic is 196lbs 5'8 todayView attachment 375817

Advice?

Nandrolone lowers dopamine slowly, causes mild prolactin increase, filled with mild CNS suppression, hindering mental processing, but also being anti-anxiety.

Tren skyrockets dopamine rapidly, spikes your norepinephrine while overactivating the amygdala, launches fight-flight response in either direction while causing intrusive thoughts, and very much proanxiety.

You get a neuro tug-of-war having 1 foot on the brake with your other stomping on the gas. Combining these two works for some but ultimately it's counterproductive.

If this were me, I wouldn’t run two 19nors at 63 just because it “feels fine right now.” The fatigue you had is a real signal, even if tren masks it. Tren clearly agrees with you at moderate doses, so I’d simplify the stack, not stack more. Dropping NPP gives you cleaner bloodwork, less prolactin risk, and less CNS overlap while keeping what’s actually working for you.
Bloods should decide the next move not energy levels alone. Feeling good on tren doesn’t mean the system isn’t being taxed.

 

[Jackedjack8273648]

Nandrolone lowers dopamine slowly, causes mild prolactin increase, filled with mild CNS suppression, hindering mental processing, but also being anti-anxiety.

Tren skyrockets dopamine rapidly, spikes your norepinephrine while overactivating the amygdala, launches fight-flight response in either direction while causing intrusive thoughts, and very much proanxiety.

You get a neuro tug-of-war having 1 foot on the brake with your other stomping on the gas. Combining these two works for some but ultimately it's counterproductive.

If this were me, I wouldn’t run two 19nors at 63 just because it “feels fine right now.” The fatigue you had is a real signal, even if tren masks it. Tren clearly agrees with you at moderate doses, so I’d simplify the stack, not stack more. Dropping NPP gives you cleaner bloodwork, less prolactin risk, and less CNS overlap while keeping what’s actually working for you.
Bloods should decide the next move not energy levels alone. Feeling good on tren doesn’t mean the system isn’t being taxed.

These are the responses i keep coming back here for. Thank you.

 

[Throwback]

Nandrolone lowers dopamine slowly, causes mild prolactin increase, filled with mild CNS suppression, hindering mental processing, but also being anti-anxiety.

Tren skyrockets dopamine rapidly, spikes your norepinephrine while overactivating the amygdala, launches fight-flight response in either direction while causing intrusive thoughts, and very much proanxiety.

You get a neuro tug-of-war having 1 foot on the brake with your other stomping on the gas. Combining these two works for some but ultimately it's counterproductive.

If this were me, I wouldn’t run two 19nors at 63 just because it “feels fine right now.” The fatigue you had is a real signal, even if tren masks it. Tren clearly agrees with you at moderate doses, so I’d simplify the stack, not stack more. Dropping NPP gives you cleaner bloodwork, less prolactin risk, and less CNS overlap while keeping what’s actually working for you.
Bloods should decide the next move not energy levels alone. Feeling good on tren doesn’t mean the system isn’t being taxed.

Nandrolone lowers dopamine slowly, causes mild prolactin increase, filled with mild CNS suppression, hindering mental processing, but also being anti-anxiety.

Tren skyrockets dopamine rapidly, spikes your norepinephrine while overactivating the amygdala, launches fight-flight response in either direction while causing intrusive thoughts, and very much proanxiety.

You get a neuro tug-of-war having 1 foot on the brake with your other stomping on the gas. Combining these two works for some but ultimately it's counterproductive.

If this were me, I wouldn’t run two 19nors at 63 just because it “feels fine right now.” The fatigue you had is a real signal, even if tren masks it. Tren clearly agrees with you at moderate doses, so I’d simplify the stack, not stack more. Dropping NPP gives you cleaner bloodwork, less prolactin risk, and less CNS overlap while keeping what’s actually working for you.
Bloods should decide the next move not energy levels alone. Feeling good on tren doesn’t mean the system isn’t being taxed.

I got bloods back except for e2
Everything is good. 2600 tt
Nothing jumped out that needs attention and i get bloods about every 4 months.
I did not pull prolactin because if you control e2 that pretty much puts the lid on prolactin issues and ive never had a prolactin problem when i did check it.
My alt ast are elevated but not alot....
35 and 33.
Hct 47
So if in fact thats the tug going on inside Im probably gonna halt the nandralone and change this to a test tren only cycle.
Thanks for responding...gives me some better idea.
Last question would you use a minimal deca dose at all for joint relief even with the tren a? And if so what dose?
Thanks

 

[BALLISTIC]

I got bloods back except for e2
Everything is good. 2600 tt
Nothing jumped out that needs attention and i get bloods about every 4 months.
I did not pull prolactin because if you control e2 that pretty much puts the lid on prolactin issues and ive never had a prolactin problem when i did check it.
My alt ast are elevated but not alot....
35 and 33.
Hct 47
So if in fact thats the tug going on inside Im probably gonna halt the nandralone and change this to a test tren only cycle.
Thanks for responding...gives me some better idea.
Last question would you use a minimal deca dose at all for joint relief even with the tren a? And if so what dose?
Thanks

Get your E2 sensitive pulled. Fatigue and lethargy can directly correlate to e2 being far to low, your saying you control it, so I assume AI? I say this because your controlling E2 to control prolactin, and that's factual as long as E is the primary driver. This works for many and prevents the need of caber, however it often leads to E2 being below necessary levels.

If you want to incorporate nandrolone, I wouldn't go above 100mg. But honestly drop it for now, and see if your joints become a problem first.