Alibaba HGH

[janoshik]

Info I've seen is that they are in fact the same organisation - but I'm late for work so this discussion will have to wait!

Then you have been lied to, Sir.



Also, feel free to use google translate (english to spanish and back works perfectly) and ask EC yourself - https://energycontrol.org/contacta.html

I only found their email on the Spanish website.

 

[Naugahyde]

Then you have been lied to, Sir.

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Also, feel free to use google translate (english to spanish and back works perfectly) and ask EC yourself - https://energycontrol.org/contacta.html

I only found their email on the Spanish website.

Don't need to use Google - my next door neighbor here is a retired Spanish American translator ( 30 years in New Jersey Courthouse ). I live in Portugal atm - Spain is 200 miles from my front door!
To be continued - have a good day...

 

[janoshik]

Don't need to use Google - my next door neighbor here is a retired Spanish American translator ( 30 years in New Jersey Courthouse ). I live in Portugal atm - Spain is 200 miles from my front door!
To be continued - have a good day...

My apologies, I have assumed you to be based in the United States.

Have a nice day Sir!

 

[SuperSwede]

Here are my results from Kunming Intermediates Trade Co. Ltd.
My contact was Eric Wu.
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Confused.
Is this tested by the spanish Energy Control or by the scam Energy Control?
Please clear it up

 

[janoshik]

Confused.
Is this tested by the spanish Energy Control or by the scam Energy Control?
Please clear it up

I apologize for replying when it is not me who is quoted, but by scam Energy Control.

1. The real Energy Control doesn't have office outside of Spain. This sample was not shipped there.

2. The real Energy Control doesn't use email energycontrol@tuta.io

3. The real Energy Control does not test anabolics.

All these data are easily verifiable with the real Energy Control.

 

[SuperSwede]

So based on what you say @janoshik
Real Energy Control do not test Hgh?
So this mean the test is just fake?

 

[janoshik]

I am saying, that the test was 100% not conducted by the legal organization Energy Control based in Spain.

I am also saying that I strongly believe that the test is fake and the raw data provided with it are fake too. They (the people who pretend to be Energy Control) have been caught faking the data multiple times.

They have used inverted colors to prevent a graph stolen from a publication to be reverse image searched before.

Also, what they have attached is not raw data - it can fool people who have no experience with the analytical chemistry - hell they even managed to pull my nose a bit for a few days - but under scrutiny their stories fall apart.

 

[SuperSwede]

I am saying, that the test was 100% not conducted by the legal organization Energy Control based in Spain.

I am also saying that I strongly believe that the test is fake and the raw data provided with it are fake too. They (the people who pretend to be Energy Control) have been caught faking the data multiple times.

They have used inverted colors to prevent a graph stolen from a publication to be reverse image searched before.

Also, what they have attached is not raw data - it can fool people who have no experience with the analytical chemistry - hell they even managed to pull my nose a bit for a few days - but under scrutiny their stories fall apart.

Thanks

 

[janoshik]

Thanks

Happy to help.

On the other board, they are already trying to attack my integrity in order to divert attention. I assume they might try the same here - and it will be easy with the strong emotions in regard to me over here.

Therefore I made sure that I have supplied only neutral and verifiable information which can be verified by anybody. I hope it will be sufficient for anybody to make up their mind.

 

[mdhx3]

Can you post a pic of the vials & top ? Would be interested to see if it looks the same as greenway blue tops

I’m out of town for 4 days so this is the only pic I have on my phone, taken the day I opened the package.

 

[coz]

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I’m out of town for 4 days so this is the only pic I have on my phone, taken the day I opened the package.

Thanks, is there any writing on the top of the blue cap or is it just flat ?

 

[mdhx3]

Thanks, is there any writing on the top of the blue cap or is it just flat ?

Just flat.
I think.....hell I can’t even remember. I will see when I get back.

 

[mdhx3]

Would it be, please, possible to upload the whole report (as in as .pdf for higher quality)?

At best, those 'raw data' are suspicious due to the fact that no software in the world provides pictures in inverted colors - they have inverted colors on the images before to prevent the images from being reverse image searched.

Also, I am not aware of any software, that would provide the retention time data in seconds. Now, why would anybody go through the trouble of converting?

For those who care about my opinion, those raw data are fake - just compare it to the data I or Analyzer have been providing.

Thank you.

I can try to upload it as a PDF; but it will be a few days before I get back home.

Honestly man, I have multiple misgivings about you commenting in this thread.
I understand that you know a little something about the subject. But; now correct me if I am wrong, do you not make money off of testing PEDs for users?
I strongly believe that your contribution to conversation in this particular thread is a conflict of interest, and therefore unethical.
Some members may believe in and rely on your services. I am not one of them because of known prior fraudulent practices on your behalf.
While I would never tell someone to avoid your services; I believe that neither do you have justification to guide anyone away from another provider’s services.

In my business it is strictly frowned upon for one professional to slander the reputation of another; particularly when there could be monetary gain for the slandering party. I would hope that people in other professions would operate under a similar code of ethics.

Additionally, this thread was created with the singular purpose of locating a reliable source of affordable generic hGH. I have looked at your posts from all angles; and I cannot find any evidence of your efforts toward that goal.
For myself, I would like to openly and respectfully ask that you leave this conversation unless you purchase some hGH from an Alibaba vendor and have it tested by a third party.
This is strictly my opinion; but for you to continue to post here, with negative statements about the practices of another analytical lab, is a shameless act of poor business ethics.
True enough, Energy Control may well turn out to be a scam. However, your presence here only makes you appear desperate and unethical, rather than disproving the legitimacy of Energy Control.

There are enough of us, with vested interest in this subject, to find out the truth through more ethical, honest, and reliable measures than to take the word of a competing entity.
So, sir please leave.

 

[Naugahyde]

My apologies, I have assumed you to be based in the United States.

Have a nice day Sir!

No worries - I'm usually UK based but in Southern Europe for a while.
I see now that EC Barcelona indeed do not test Hormone/related compounds - just waiting on confirmation that the International division also doesn't do so. I've sent them an email requesting clarification. It seems though that you may be correct that there is a bogus outfit at large.
Will post when I find out more

 

[Rockclimber]

I don't have time to go back and look right now as I am on vacation but whoever received the fake growth hormone from Changzhou Julang Biotech and had it tested by analyzer could always send a vial off for testing by Energy Control or send the vial to one of us for us to submit to energy control alongside a verified legitimate growth hormone vial to see what they come back with. We already suspect or rather know that GH from Changzhou Julang Biotech is completely fake. Sending a fake vial and a legitimate vial at the same time would be a fantastic test to see the legitimacy of energy control.

 

[Roco Bama]

I don't have time to go back and look right now as I am on vacation but whoever received the fake growth hormone from Changzhou Julang Biotech and had it tested by analyzer could always send a vial off for testing by Energy Control or send the vial to one of us for us to submit to energy control alongside a verified legitimate growth hormone vial to see what they come back with. We already suspect or rather know that GH from Changzhou Julang Biotech is completely fake. Sending a fake vial and a legitimate vial at the same time would be a fantastic test to see the legitimacy of energy control.

Or send off a vial of peptide and claim it's HGH.

 

[TRT]

I don't have time to go back and look right now as I am on vacation but whoever received the fake growth hormone from Changzhou Julang Biotech and had it tested by analyzer could always send a vial off for testing by Energy Control or send the vial to one of us for us to submit to energy control alongside a verified legitimate growth hormone vial to see what they come back with. We already suspect or rather know that GH from Changzhou Julang Biotech is completely fake. Sending a fake vial and a legitimate vial at the same time would be a fantastic test to see the legitimacy of energy control.

This is a good fucking idea. Maybe they guessed it was HGH.
What's weird is that it's a new place and the first sample sent comes back as good? Idk about that. I'll find it someone's got something send. Message me if someone is volunteering.

 

[Doug_S]

I can try to upload it as a PDF; but it will be a few days before I get back home.

Honestly man, I have multiple misgivings about you commenting in this thread.
I understand that you know a little something about the subject. But; now correct me if I am wrong, do you not make money off of testing PEDs for users?
I strongly believe that your contribution to conversation in this particular thread is a conflict of interest, and therefore unethical.
Some members may believe in and rely on your services. I am not one of them because of known prior fraudulent practices on your behalf.
While I would never tell someone to avoid your services; I believe that neither do you have justification to guide anyone away from another provider’s services.

In my business it is strictly frowned upon for one professional to slander the reputation of another; particularly when there could be monetary gain for the slandering party. I would hope that people in other professions would operate under a similar code of ethics.

Additionally, this thread was created with the singular purpose of locating a reliable source of affordable generic hGH. I have looked at your posts from all angles; and I cannot find any evidence of your efforts toward that goal.
For myself, I would like to openly and respectfully ask that you leave this conversation unless you purchase some hGH from an Alibaba vendor and have it tested by a third party.
This is strictly my opinion; but for you to continue to post here, with negative statements about the practices of another analytical lab, is a shameless act of poor business ethics.
True enough, Energy Control may well turn out to be a scam. However, your presence here only makes you appear desperate and unethical, rather than disproving the legitimacy of Energy Control.

There are enough of us, with vested interest in this subject, to find out the truth through more ethical, honest, and reliable measures than to take the word of a competing entity.
So, sir please leave.

I don't know where you work, but I am a toxicologist. In the sciences, peer reviews are standard and your data MUST stand up to scrutiny. It's not rude to question, it's required or your research is shit. In fact, it should be reproducible, and if another researcher can't duplicate your results, things get interesting.

If Jano fucked up once, at least he admits it AND caveats his review with the qualifier that he made sure all of his comments were objective and reviewable . He stuck to the verifiable facts and avoids interpretation. What more do you want?

Just for the record, one of the guys on here whose word is taken as gospel is obviously a fraud, and all the science geeks here have said it more or less, but it's not what folks want to hear, so the bullshit continues.

Jano's science is solid. If he's making good observations, it's worth at least listening.

 

[mdhx3]

I don't know where you work, but I am a toxicologist. In the sciences, peer reviews are standard and your data MUST stand up to scrutiny. It's not rude to question, it's required or your research is shit. In fact, it should be reproducible, and if another researcher can't duplicate your results, things get interesting.

If Jano fucked up once, at least he admits it AND caveats his review with the qualifier that he made sure all of his comments were objective and reviewable . He stuck to the verifiable facts and avoids interpretation. What more do you want?

Just for the record, one of the guys on here whose word is taken as gospel is obviously a fraud, and all the science geeks here have said it more or less, but it's not what folks want to hear, so the bullshit continues.

Jano's science is solid. If he's making good observations, it's worth at least listening.

I don’t doubt OR believe Jano’s ability to perform the tests....my post was not about his abilities. I don’t know enough about the business to say someone is legit or not.

My post was merely observation and opinion of inappropriate involvement in a thread not concerning him.
If I missed someone asking for his opinion or stating that he had tested for them; then I apologize.

But since there is money involved in the testing of PEDs; an analytical service provider contributing to a conversation, uninvited, just seems unethical.

Additionally, I may have missed where Jano admitted to and apologized for the mistake he made. If there was open ownership and apology made for that; then I offer my apologies for bringing it back up. I believe 100% in forgiveness if one admits errors and takes ownership; so I do not want to be guilty of going against what I believe.

 

[Doug_S]

I don’t doubt OR believe Jano’s ability to perform the tests....my post was not about his abilities. I don’t know enough about the business to say someone is legit or not.

My post was merely observation and opinion of inappropriate involvement in a thread not concerning him.
If I missed someone asking for his opinion or stating that he had tested for them; then I apologize.

But since there is money involved in the testing of PEDs; an analytical service provider contributing to a conversation, uninvited, just seems unethical.

Additionally, I may have missed where Jano admitted to and apologized for the mistake he made. If there was open ownership and apology made for that; then I offer my apologies for bringing it back up. I believe 100% in forgiveness if one admits errors and takes ownership; so I do not want to be guilty of going against what I believe.

They copied figures from a journal article and put it out there as their data. Anyone can see that.