Alpha Pharma Test E 250 - labmax 12/1/14

[Boilermech]

Sorry, just noticed this BM...
Yes, the first thing I did when i received them was check the scratch off codes... They all checked out.

@Galileo
Believe me man, I'm pulling for a pass but to see NO fluorescent at all is a bit alarming, wouldn't you say??

Done my test and will post it tomorrow night. Looked just like yours. It's 10:50 here and I gotta get up at 5 so going to bed. Don't get your hopes all down yet. I'm going to talk to my lab source and see about getting it tested.

 

[mercury]

I hear all the time from people that AL is underdosed. I have never seen 10 ml vials.

But I had AP 1 ml vials long time ago and I felt it.

On second thought I have seen test cyp instead of test enan. So it could be test cyp

just check the labmax information page

http://www.labmax.ca/pages/testosterone-cypionate.html

I do not see any nice blue-greenish glow so the test is fail for me.

 

[fokai500]

Where did you guys get yours from? I got some coming from the Tj.

 

[Boilermech]

Where did you guys get yours from? I got some coming from the Tj.

Well you should know where mine came from. NandroXL remember his short run here, lol.
It really doesn't matter where you get it from because of the authenticity checked out on Alpha Pharmas website. So this is all on the company itself not the supplier.

 

[fokai500]

Wow so international pharma is under dosed too. Maybe are expectations on Meso are too high.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Wow so international pharma is under dosed too. Maybe are expectations on Meso are too high.

Alpha pharma is a UGL, don't let the name fool you.

 

[fokai500]

Alpha pharma is a UGL, don't let the name fool you.

You sure thought it was an oversees pharma company not okayed for us sales

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

You sure thought it was an oversees pharma company not okayed for us sales

Nope, it's a marketing ploy, same as bioniche pharma.. From my understanding they used to be one of the best but not so much in the past year or so.

 

[Galileo]

Nope, it's a marketing ploy, same as bioniche pharma.. .

They ARE an overseas pharma company. A few investigative reporters who wished to "uncover the truth" behind AP and AAS sales went to India to track them drown. The story ended a bit early, since they were and are licensed in India with all necessary government permits. They have a business address, phone number, e-mail, job ads online looking for scientists/researchers.

As I said, they outsource production to other companies, like http://www.navdeepbioceuticals.com (www.navdeepbioceuticals.com)

I believe what AP does is check the quality, and then sell/distribute.

HCG was unavailable from AP for a while. I assume because their source did not meet quality req.

Note that I am not vouching for them and I am not saying the products are or are not underdosed.

Technically speaking they are not UGL. Their products may, however, be considered UGL-quality by US and EU standards. I wouldn't know.

I find it highly, HIGHLY unlikely that a vial or amp of AP TE contains no TE, though.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

They ARE an overseas pharma company. A few investigative reporters who wished to "uncover the truth" behind AP and AAS sales went to India to track them drown. The story ended a bit early, since they were and are licensed in India with all necessary government permits. They have a business address, phone number, e-mail, job ads online looking for scientists/researchers.

As I said, they outsource production to other companies, like http://www.navdeepbioceuticals.com (www.navdeepbioceuticals.com)

I believe what AP does is check the quality, and then sell/distribute.

HCG was unavailable from AP for a while. I assume because their source did not meet quality req.

Note that I am not vouching for them and I am not saying the products are or are not underdosed.

Technically speaking they are not UGL. Their products may, however, be considered UGL-quality by US and EU standards. I wouldn't know.

I find it highly, HIGHLY unlikely that a vial or amp of AP TE contains no TE, though.

That's like saying Balkan Pharma is a real pharma company just because they're "FDA approved" in Moldova!! It's a joke..

 

[Galileo]

Can someone who's a good friend of Dr. Jim convince him to perform a quantitative analyse of a random vial of AP Test E and settle this for the time being? I'll gladly send one to him or chip in with others to finance a test..

 

[Boilermech]

It does show some Fluorescence at first but then fades away as the solution gets darker.

 

[mercury]

this supports controversy about AP that it is not pharmaceutical company I hear all the time that AP is uderdosed.

you should watch vial A since it might be test cyp if there is only yellow - orange fluorescence

just check the instruction page

http://www.labmax.ca/pages/testosterone-cypionate.html

Vial A will tell you if it is very underdosed test enan or test cyp.

I did run Balkan before and then sent it to lab their test enan was in fact test cyp

 

[Johnson513]

It does show some Fluorescence at first but then fades away as the solution gets darker.

Thanks for posting BM

Alpha-Pharma is not only definitely NOT PHARMACEUTICAL but it is also SEVERLY UNDER DOSED

You figure they can spend a little LESS money on their scratch off and packaging and a bit MORE money on their final PRODUCTS and TESTING!

 

[Galileo]

Is the Labmax analysis qualitative or is it also quantitative?

And if so, with what precision to both?

I've done a LOT of searching on the rep of AP products. I have yet to see proof (sans this labmax stuff) of their products being underdosed.

An analysis of a random, fresh sample of AP test could solve this discussion once and for all. So who's got the technical means? I will chip in with you guys to get it done. One quantitative analysis of one amp.

User reports that rely merely on subjective experience of being underdosed are not evidence. There are plenty of user reports saying the opposite. What is needed is objective, DEFINITE proof.

 

[flenser]

Is the Labmax analysis qualitative or is it also quantitative?

It's neither, actually. It's a pass fail test, with the fail being the only definitive result. If it passes, it is possible (though unlikely) to still have a different hormone or under dosed product. If it fails, you know you don't have a properly dosed and uncontaminated product.

An analysis of a random, fresh sample of AP test could solve this discussion once and for all. So who's got the technical means? I will chip in with you guys to get it done. One quantitative analysis of one amp.

Pretty sure this is already in the works. It won't change the fact two other AP amps are either contaminated or under dosed, but assuming AP produces a consistent product, it should validate the LM fails.

 

[Galileo]

Pretty sure this is already in the works. It won't change the fact two other AP amps are either contaminated or under dosed, but assuming AP produces a consistent product, it should validate the LM fails.

Disclaimer: I know next to NOTHING about LM. Pardon my ignorance. Is it really a "fact" by the LM test that the products are underdosed? And if so, how underdosed? And how accurate is LM in deteriming this?

Hasn' Dr. Jim written some posts about Labmax not being completely reliable?

Sounds VERY good about the test! Can you/we trust that a random AP sample will be tested and by someone with no commercial interest in either positive or negative outcome? I'd rather have one state of the art objective test than 10 maybes.

I will create a thread on it soon with more details but right now I can briefly state that I have data to present, a subject with blood drawn 1 week after pinning 250mg TE from AP, pin #5 after 4 pins of 250 (1 pin weekly), with concurrent use of anadrol. The serum value TT was 14.1 nmol/L, which is around 406 ng/dL. If I am not mistaken, this MAY indicate the test to be underdosed.... however, there was a thread on here recently comparing blood values from 2 different guys doing hRT, I think, with the same test and frequency, yet wildly different values, and this was HG test...so... I'll create a separate thread on it...just wanted to share now, on the topic.

 

[dmt31]

Disclaimer: I know next to NOTHING about LM. Pardon my ignorance. Is it really a "fact" by the LM test that the products are underdosed? And if so, how underdosed? And how accurate is LM in deteriming this?

Hasn' Dr. Jim written some posts about Labmax not being completely reliable?

Sounds VERY good about the test! Can you/we trust that a random AP sample will be tested and by someone with no commercial interest in either positive or negative outcome? I'd rather have one state of the art objective test than 10 maybes.

I will create a thread on it soon with more details but right now I can briefly state that I have data to present, a subject with blood drawn 1 week after pinning 250mg TE from AP, pin #5 after 4 pins of 250 (1 pin weekly), with concurrent use of anadrol. The serum value TT was 14.1 nmol/L, which is around 406 ng/dL. If I am not mistaken, this MAY indicate the test to be underdosed.... however, there was a thread on here recently comparing blood values from 2 different guys doing hRT, I think, with the same test and frequency, yet wildly different values, and this was HG test...so... I'll create a separate thread on it...just wanted to share now, on the topic.

I created that thread about the TRT dosages. I stand by what I said in the thread, though it was anecdotal, it should open up some more viewpoints for people to think about.

Everybody reacts to exogenous hormones differently. That's why I dont' really believe in the "rule of 10x". it's not possible to say every single person will react a certain way. There are way to many variables, many of which are just not quantifiable in any reasonable way. People's bodies treat substances differently. We can try to find a range that works, but even then, it's not really all that simple.

In terms of AP Test E. I started on Monday, I am 3 pins in. I am going to get my blood tested at 2 weeks into my 750mg/wk cycle and another blood test at 6 weeks. We are trying to see if people like me who are on TRT need to be on cycle as long as people who still have natural test production to reach peak levels. I am using AP Test E for this experiment so we'll be able to kill 2 birds with one stone. We'll see how well dosed AP is and also see if TRT patients get to peak TT levels quicker. I know what my TT levels are on my TRT dose for just about every day of the week, so that should help in analyzing the data as well.

 

[Galileo]

Excellent. Keep us posted! Can you provide a link to that thread, or perhaps PM me a link?

I hope your approach will yield values that allow for good, direct comparison between known-for-a-fact-HG-test and AP test.

 

[mercury]

Hasn' Dr. Jim written some posts about Labmax not being completely reliable?

there are simply too many misunderstandings and too many expectations from the test.

the test reagent reacts with steroid and you just need to know how to interpret the color.

it is simple pass or fail and as such it works very well

it works exactly as it is described you just need to spend a few minutes to read the simple instruction.