Anabolic vs Androgenic Steroids

[Nicolaus]

"All steroids are derivatives of synthetic testosterone, all steroids possess both androgenic and anabolic properties, and all steroids bind to the same receptor. Some steroids have been bio-chemically engineered, however, to exhibit more anabolic properties and fewer undesireable androgenic side effects. Deca, primo, equipoise, masteron are examples of such drugs........and deca is the original.

The standard scientific measurement of the androgenic/anabolic ratio of a given steroid is a comparison of the effects of the drug on the growth of prostate tissue vs. skeletal muscle tissue.

For example, in such tests, esterless deca exhibits 80% less effect on the growth of prostate tissue (bad stuff) and 240% more effect on growth of skeletal muscle tissue (good stuff) than does esterless testosterone."

If the above statement is true, why not just take steroids that are more anabolic (like deca) than androgenic (test cyp)

 

[Wunderpus]

"All steroids are derivatives of synthetic testosterone, all steroids possess both androgenic and anabolic properties, and all steroids bind to the same receptor. Some steroids have been bio-chemically engineered, however, to exhibit more anabolic properties and fewer undesireable androgenic side effects. Deca, primo, equipoise, masteron are examples of such drugs........and deca is the original.

The standard scientific measurement of the androgenic/anabolic ratio of a given steroid is a comparison of the effects of the drug on the growth of prostate tissue vs. skeletal muscle tissue.

For example, in such tests, esterless deca exhibits 80% less effect on the growth of prostate tissue (bad stuff) and 240% more effect on growth of skeletal muscle tissue (good stuff) than does esterless testosterone."

If the above statement is true, why not just take steroids that are more anabolic (like deca) than androgenic (test cyp)

I already know you have no fucking idea what you're talking about when you say "esterless deca"

Stopped reading.

 

[JC456]

That's actually a repost from a 2003 EF thread:

Anabolic vs Androgenic

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But yeah to answer your question, that approach is somewhat flawed because of the following:

• You need some some Test in the body long term to function correctly.
  • Mainly for the androgenic properties it brings. I have tried long runs with Deca as the base and no Test. Eventually fatigue begins to rear it's head and this is countered by an androgenic compound.
  • As well as for estrogen conversion which is also essential. Again using my Deca example, the estrogen conversion just isn't enough in the long term for libido and general health.

In both examples above you could use other androgenics and you could use something else for estrogen. But it's far, far easier and simple to use a small amount of Test at least.

 

[Nicolaus]

That's actually a repost from a 2003 EF thread:

Anabolic vs Androgenic

---

But yeah to answer your question, that approach is somewhat flawed because of the following:

• You need some some Test in the body long term to function correctly.
  • Mainly for the androgenic properties it brings. I have tried long runs with Deca as the base and no Test. Eventually fatigue begins to rear it's head and this is countered by an androgenic compound.
  • As well as for estrogen conversion which is also essential. Again using my Deca example, the estrogen conversion just isn't enough in the long term for libido and general health.

In both examples above you could use other androgenics and you could use something else for estrogen. But it's far, far easier and simple to use a small amount of Test at least.

I appreciate your organized response and sharing your experience.

I'm not too well versed in the steroid world so please bear with me. You mentioned Test is needed for proper functioning. I was under the assumption that all steroids provide great amount of energy and drive, as opposed to say someone with low test or normal test levels. Is this not the case?

Also, do substances like deca (I'll classify as anabolics) not convert to estrogen? Or at a much lower rate?

The reason I'm asking all this is because I'm concerned about side effects and wondering which steroids are "safest" and/or require less amount of caution and monitoring than other steroids.

Thank you

 

[jJjburton]

"All steroids are derivatives of synthetic testosterone, all steroids possess both androgenic and anabolic properties, and all steroids bind to the same receptor. Some steroids have been bio-chemically engineered, however, to exhibit more anabolic properties and fewer undesireable androgenic side effects. Deca, primo, equipoise, masteron are examples of such drugs........and deca is the original.

The standard scientific measurement of the androgenic/anabolic ratio of a given steroid is a comparison of the effects of the drug on the growth of prostate tissue vs. skeletal muscle tissue.

For example, in such tests, esterless deca exhibits 80% less effect on the growth of prostate tissue (bad stuff) and 240% more effect on growth of skeletal muscle tissue (good stuff) than does esterless testosterone."

If the above statement is true, why not just take steroids that are more anabolic (like deca) than androgenic (test cyp)

Because tren is the shit, and the answer to all your questions.

 

[grey]

The reason I'm asking all this is because I'm concerned about side effects and wondering which steroids are "safest" and/or require less amount of caution and monitoring than other steroids.

TRT or lower amount of Test and very mild steroids like Masteron are probably "safest" in terms of side effects (just this internet dude's opinion) but all require continual monitoring and bloodtesting.

Using only non-aromatizing steroids also will leave you without any estrogen which (in the right amounts) is very necessary for muscular mass and health maintenance. Going whole cycles without any E2 is a quick trip to paintown.

 

[Nicolaus]

TRT or lower amount of Test and very mild steroids like Masteron are probably "safest" in terms of side effects (just this internet dude's opinion) but all require continual monitoring and bloodtesting.

Using only non-aromatizing steroids also will leave you without any estrogen which (in the right amounts) is very necessary for muscular mass and health maintenance. Going whole cycles without any E2 is a quick trip to paintown.

Thank you brotha. I'm about to be put on TRT but was considering cycling in the far future to get insanely jacked .. but I digress.

 

[Nicolaus]

Because tren is the shit, and the answer to all your questions.

Heard there's too many uncomfortable side effects...one of them being the tren cough and profuse sweating. Also heard it can crash libido? Not sure tho

 

[Marcus]

Heard there's too many uncomfortable side effects...one of them being the tren cough and profuse sweating. Also heard it can crash libido? Not sure tho

Tren is not the answer to all your questions lol. The cough is rare and exaggerated greatly so don't stress if you ever do Tren.

I like Deca at like 600, test at like 200 per week. Good gains with little sides.

 

[JC456]

I appreciate your organized response and sharing your experience.

I'm not too well versed in the steroid world so please bear with me. You mentioned Test is needed for proper functioning. I was under the assumption that all steroids provide great amount of energy and drive, as opposed to say someone with low test or normal test levels. Is this not the case?

Also, do substances like deca (I'll classify as anabolics) not convert to estrogen? Or at a much lower rate?

The reason I'm asking all this is because I'm concerned about side effects and wondering which steroids are "safest" and/or require less amount of caution and monitoring than other steroids.

Thank you

I explained why Test is preferred in the bullet points below the first one.

You need both an androgenic and estrogenic component to feel good and function well. So let's go through some alternatives. Deca is the obvious choice as the second of the prime anabolic growers. Deca causes less estrogen conversion, less but often enough if the dose is high but it also has a very poor androgenic profile. So you'll need an androgenic component.

Okay so let's go deca, masteron or deca primo. Well again over time due to the higher rates of androgens you'll need more aromatization than this combo can offer.

Alright well fine lets use Tren and Primo. Lots of androgenic properties right? No estrogen though.

Okay well what about Tren and Dbol. Aromatization is there right? Sure it is but running an oral long term just isn't advisable.

So you see in practical terms, why we need test is that there just isn't another hormone which offers what test does. That is androgenic and estrogenic properties. However a low dose is enough. So let's look at a common cycle.

150-250 Test
600-900 Deca
300 Mast or Primo

Not a bad way of structuring things.

 

[Leancuisine]

Esterless deca. Decanoate. An ester.
Esterless esters.....

Mmmmmmmmyyyeeaaaahhhookkkaayyyy

I don't like people that talk like this. If you can't say it in the simplest terms possible, then you don't understand it. Shit I don't even really understand steroids. Just know what affects they have on me and somewhat of how they work.

Slow your roll. Type like a normal person.

 

[Nicolaus]

@Marcus @JC456

I've been reading a little bit just now and came across posts that recommend taking more test than deca, to avoid libido issues. Is this true? Also I've read that 19-NORS can wreak havoc on the brains functions which can cause depression and low libido. Is this true as well? and if so, is it permanent.

 

[Marcus]

@Marcus @JC456

I've been reading a little bit just now and came across posts that recommend taking more test than deca, to avoid libido issues. Is this true? Also I've read that 19-NORS can wreak havoc on the brains functions which can cause depression and low libido. Is this true as well? and if so, is it permanent.

So what you're reading is not wrong... but the libido issues are not super common however it can happen. Easy fix is you up Test and learn and know for next time.

As far as depression, you're messing with hormones so I think anything related to psychology is more personalized. I'm bi-polar 2 but have never had a problem on anything except more aggression on Tren.

I haven't seen any anecdotal evidence on the depression thing but maybe someone can chime in with a longer history of cycling than me.

Either way, again...the negatives of anything stick out like a sore thumb. Again, most sides for any compound are grossly over exaggerated. I've had WAY more serious issues with even just 7-10 days it prohormones than 6 weeks on Tren with an oral

 

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[Big_paul]

Good thread. Anabolic and androgenic components should be understood. You could save your hair and your prostate.

 

[Iron Frenchie]

Steroids Forum: General/General Talk/19-nor Prolactin/Deca-Tren Dick versus Testosterone - Part 2: The Answers + More Questionspage

That is a super good read. It's about nandrolone but makes a lot of sense with this topic. A good read in it was the part about how 150mg nandrolone was superior then 250mg test on hiv patients for building muscle and had less sides on over 300 patients. I couldn't believe that one. There's a lot more in that link.

 

[OldmanRob]

Steroids Forum: General/General Talk/19-nor Prolactin/Deca-Tren Dick versus Testosterone - Part 2: The Answers + More Questionspage

That is a super good read. It's about nandrolone but makes a lot of sense with this topic. A good read in it was the part about how 150mg nandrolone was superior then 250mg test on hiv patients for building muscle and had less sides on over 300 patients. I couldn't believe that one. There's a lot more in that link.

Thanks for the link. Based on what I have read many times over I have noticed many issues with high test/high deca cycles.

I plan on running a low test/moderate deca cycle soon.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Very low test high deca or no test at all for some people work but I like to have some test in me 100-150mg

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Some steroids have been bio-chemically engineered, however, to exhibit more anabolic properties and fewer undesireable androgenic side effects. Deca, primo, equipoise, masteron are examples of such drugs.......

You might want to read a good steroid 101.

Primo, Masteron, are androgenic more than they are anabolic...

 

[Deleted member 59947]

The reason I'm asking all this is because I'm concerned about side effects and wondering which steroids are "safest" and/or require less amount of caution and monitoring than other steroids.

Thank you

Since when an anabolic steroid is safer than an androgenic steroid?
High BP looks safe to you?