Test_Subject
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Hence why people like Dylan Gemelli still have a market for their snake oil.
"But my gym buddy said that it worked."
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Anavar and liver support (NAC)
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Hence why people like Dylan Gemelli still have a market for their snake oil.
"But my gym buddy said that it worked."
So does a PLACEBO in up to 30% of patients!
To the gentlman that stated Var is useless unless you are female:
Var is very useful regardless of gender; do you really believe something that can aid in preventing muscle wasting in diseased patients is only anti-catabolic in women? Men are also prescribed Oxandrolone.
Also, Var greatly increases creatine uptake and as such can be a powerful addition to an anabolic stack by allowing for greater strength.
To those commenting about how well their liver tolerated Var:
I am under the understanding (and, I am not perfect so maybe I am wrong) that Oxandrolone is more of an issue for renal than hepatic health. Therefore, the liver may not have any strain but the kidneys are doing much more work while on Oxandrolone.
Var is very useful regardless of gender; do you really believe something that can aid in preventing muscle wasting in diseased patients is only anti-catabolic in women? Men are also prescribed Oxandrolone.
Also, Var greatly increases creatine uptake and as such can be a powerful addition to an anabolic stack by allowing for greater strength.
To those commenting about how well their liver tolerated Var:
I am under the understanding (and, I am not perfect so maybe I am wrong) that Oxandrolone is more of an issue for renal than hepatic health. Therefore, the liver may not have any strain but the kidneys are doing much more work while on Oxandrolone.
1)What baseline are you comparing this "increased uptake" to AND what's the evidence Var enhances "creatine uptake" more OR less than any other AAS.
Understand there is a big difference bt
increased CK levels noted in some folk using AAS in the post training interval and correlating such an change to enhanced uptake due to Var itself, rather than the result of SKM injury.
2) Like almost all other oral agents Var is a C-17 alkylated anabolic and removal of this alkyl group is the putative etiology for its well established hepatic toxicity, especially at the doses used by BB
3) Are you suggesting the KIDNEYS are having to "work harder" bc of the higher creatine burden generated from Var?
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3) If so whatever burden may be generated by Var pales in comparison to what is referred to as Rhabdomyolysis,and is due to SKM injury and the latter only RARELY poses a problem in well hydrated, trained athletes, who have normal renal function and are NOT using
stimulant based PEDS
stimulant based PEDS
I've always had much greater results cutting fat with Tren or NPP.
I'm not in this to be huge, just to look great at my age. IMO the mistake many make is they run higher test with lower Tren or NPP. I get absolutely ripped running test lower at 250-300 pw, along with Tren or NPP at or above test dosage.
Obviously diet and cardio must be dialed in as well.
Though I don't think Var is useless, I completely agree otherwise. NPP is one of my favorite cutting additions, it increases my cardio, recovery and performance at low-moderate doses and seems to help on its own as well: increased performance, increased anabolism, no painful pumps, mood, motivator (keeps you full and able to do more work), no perception for a need for liver protectors, far cheaper, what's not to like besides sexual function taking a hit (for me) if ran too high or long.
Oh heck no, it's given to patients who have activated charcoal in their stomachs on a regular basis
ddp7
Banned
Bert,those strong declarations.
Once took niacin and the liver pain was brutal for at least ten minutes.
Silymarin is useless too?
ddp7
Banned
Heres mydamn advice.
We need some prescriptions for albuterol.
200 inhalations of 100 mcg for 3 dollars,sounds great,almost a gift.
Jak3d
Member
Lol I love reading this. Have you actually used Var? Some of us don't want to take dbol or Anadrol and have to walk through a door sideways. If thats your goal more power to you but if you've actually used Var properly and had a certain goal where Var shines you would love it too.
ddp7
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I have a book written in my language (spanish) that says that the sulingual use of oral steroids, avoids the first step and makes them more efficient.
By the way maybe that is why I noticed so much the var when I was testing it. When I got to use 30 mg my left walnut was slightly softened, or when I used 2.5 I gained a lot more strength than when using a dose over 10 mg (maybe this is because of my macros configuration of the diet, basically tendency to reduce the protein ) I do not know if that's normal for that sporadic dose context, but that's how it happened.
By the way maybe that is why I noticed so much the var when I was testing it. When I got to use 30 mg my left walnut was slightly softened, or when I used 2.5 I gained a lot more strength than when using a dose over 10 mg (maybe this is because of my macros configuration of the diet, basically tendency to reduce the protein ) I do not know if that's normal for that sporadic dose context, but that's how it happened.
Yes I have run it a couple times and did not see a reason to hit a third. However, it is entirely possible that it was garbage, since the source was a selective scammer (Z) that I had gone several rounds with.
Regarding liver support... Liv52 has always worked well for me and there are dozens of positive studies to back it.
MesoBurger
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Id like to respond to the good doctor here for a moment. I read this entire thread. As usual, its the "medical professional" who does nothing but "poo poo" literally everything everyone says. And acts like an arrogant know-it-all.
Allow me to present to you something that will benefit you (and those who are subject to your verbal pearls of wisdom) hopefully for the remainder of your life:
In the absence of studies showing that something FAILED to perform in humans, you are both ethically and intellectually UNABLE to claim that something "doesnt work".
Ill repeat:
If the study hasn't been done, then you have literally nothing to back your claim that it doesn't work.
1) The absence of a study does not establish inefficacy.
2) The study being done on mice instead of humans does not establish inefficacy in humans.
It leaves you with an "I dont know" at the very, very most.
Think about that. Digest it. And learn to say "I don't know" instead of "Show me a study".
Show yourself a study proving it doesn't work first. Then open your mouth. Otherwise, don't speak. Dont mock people's experimental attitudes. Don't ridicule the "parrots". I have run a health information site for 19 years and I can assure you, the "sharing of information" by thousands of complete idiots has helped more people than any one doctor I've met.
Also dare to branch out from your tiny little worldview (pubmed) and be open to subjective experience backed by bloodwork when someone (or hundreds of people for that matter) run their own clinical study on themselves. Something you doctors absolutely hate to entertain.
Lastly, don't speak in general as if everyone except you is an idiot. I can assure you there are people with no medical degree who would put your intelligence to shame, and actually know more on a given medical topic than you do simply because they read more material.
That's a thing, too. Remember: you're just a dude. You're not necessarily any better or smarter than anyone else. You happened to take some classes using the same material that is now available to the entire world. I know "armchair" physicians who would put your knowledge and accuracy levels to shame.
Allow me to present to you something that will benefit you (and those who are subject to your verbal pearls of wisdom) hopefully for the remainder of your life:
In the absence of studies showing that something FAILED to perform in humans, you are both ethically and intellectually UNABLE to claim that something "doesnt work".
Ill repeat:
If the study hasn't been done, then you have literally nothing to back your claim that it doesn't work.
1) The absence of a study does not establish inefficacy.
2) The study being done on mice instead of humans does not establish inefficacy in humans.
It leaves you with an "I dont know" at the very, very most.
Think about that. Digest it. And learn to say "I don't know" instead of "Show me a study".
Show yourself a study proving it doesn't work first. Then open your mouth. Otherwise, don't speak. Dont mock people's experimental attitudes. Don't ridicule the "parrots". I have run a health information site for 19 years and I can assure you, the "sharing of information" by thousands of complete idiots has helped more people than any one doctor I've met.
Also dare to branch out from your tiny little worldview (pubmed) and be open to subjective experience backed by bloodwork when someone (or hundreds of people for that matter) run their own clinical study on themselves. Something you doctors absolutely hate to entertain.
Lastly, don't speak in general as if everyone except you is an idiot. I can assure you there are people with no medical degree who would put your intelligence to shame, and actually know more on a given medical topic than you do simply because they read more material.
That's a thing, too. Remember: you're just a dude. You're not necessarily any better or smarter than anyone else. You happened to take some classes using the same material that is now available to the entire world. I know "armchair" physicians who would put your knowledge and accuracy levels to shame.
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Gbro
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@MesoBurger just quoted the very definition of broscience
Yep and unfortunately the
“absence of evidence is / is not evidence of absence” arguement has become a sanctuary for those
who have NO EVIDENCE, and KNOW NOTHING.
It’s another circuitous path to more of the same prove me wrong, confirm a negative, or for
a more enlightening discussion shall we prove I don’t exist, lol.
Finally the reproducibility and reliability of rodent studies are best realized when the data itself is confirmed thru clinical trails, and PED forum anecdotes don’t qualify as a clinical trial!
But to suggest that which a significant portion of contemporary medical practice is based upon (drugs in particular) should be ignored or discounted entirely bc it involved rodents, is the epitome of STUPIDITY.
How pathetic pathological reasoning of this ilk is responsible, directly or indirectly,
for much of the harm caused by PEDs!
Jim
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Old
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You are a figment of our imagination. If anyone doesn't like it, they can practice aversion therapy.
johntt44
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What kind of bizarro world reverse logic is this shit? Would you let these so called "armchair medical experts"perform surgery on you? If you cant prove a positive outcome and cant prove a negative outcome, it must work? I hate to tell you but you shoudnt have bothered with that stupid post. Broscience at its finest....
Hey, that's about the same percentage of Americans who support Trump!!
