Anavar holding me back?

[baked_cake]

I have been following this plan for the last 3 weeks

10mg anavar ED in the morning
20mg dbol ED split into 5mg doses 4 times a day
225mg test c weekly split mon wed fri (running for 3 months)
562IU hcg weekly split mon wed fri (running for 3 months)

starting weight was 193lb
Daily calory intake at the start was about 2800

After week 1 or so I shot up to 203lb, by the end of week 2 I saw no more gains on the scale so I pushed my calories over 3000. Pretty much forcing myself to eat an extra sandwich every day or add something to the dinners that I measure out. One thing I noticed is that I can just eat and eat and my weight didn't change at all during week 3.

I am now at that point where the sides are too much. Can't sleep, getting upset and snapping at people, I decided to drop the dbol to 10mg 3x a week just before my work out. But I can't decide what to do with the anavar.

I feel like the anavar was the reason I could eat but didn't see any gains after a certain point, but I think the gains I wasn't seeing might have all been fat anyways.

 

[Evom1]

I'm guessing if you're eating 3000 calories and trying to grow that you're a female? But then the gear wouldn't make sense at those doses.

You need SUBSTANTIALLY more food to grow if you're a male at around 200lbs. Try starting around 4k calories. Push a fuck ton of carbs.

If you can "eat and eat" try to actually do that. I mean man I'm past 3,000 calories by noon. Get your carbs up there. 4,000 calories to start and if you don't grow, keep going up by 200 at a time

 

[notanothersnake]

Your gains stopped after 3wks. Stfu!



At 3 weeks, half of your shit hasn't even begun to work.

You need to eat more and stop "snapping", I call that being as asshole. Those aren't even aggressive compounds...

 

[SandWalker73]

stop "snapping", I call that being as asshole. Those aren't even aggressive compounds...

Exactly

 

[SandWalker73]

After week 1 or so I shot up to 203lb, by the end of week 2 I saw no more gains on the scale

This was enough for me to know how ignorant you are. Really. like what you saw in the first week were gains lol, it's just the water from the E2 bloat, that will grow you the nicest pair of tiddies by the way.
Yeah I'm not even going to contribute positively, go make some ressearch before touching some shit that might reduce your life span by a decade or two, there's plenty and enough info out there
I'll still be decent enough to tell you to discontinue the use cold turkey you won't have any issues at this point

 

[rufflesbaby]

3 weeks? my first cycle I started turning black week 2 and then won my first Olympia naturally on creatine, then I hopped on became a cop and the rest Is history.

Maybe Bodybuilding Isn't for you..

 

[Jin23]

At 3 weeks, half of your shit hasn't even begun to work.

What hasn't begun to work? Test c has a Tmax of app 12h and at 3 weeks in it's pretty much at 90% plasma levels due to the 5 - 8 days half life. What's the other "half shit"?

 

[Rido]

What hasn't begun to work? Test c has a Tmax of app 12h and at 3 weeks in it's pretty much at 90% plasma levels due to the 5 - 8 days half life. What's the other "half shit"?

new year, get tired of new people.

 

[rufflesbaby]

Take a few days off Orals completely and see If It helps your sleep some, you don't need to be taking them every single day.

Like Jin said your levels are pretty much peaked at this stage so you're definitely feeling the brunt of whatever you're taking practically full force.. I did a similar cycle my first time but I got the dreaded "BACNE" ew.

It's a long, drawn out experience.. get it? drawn out hehehe - you'll have to find out the compounds that work for you and It takes time.. I'd just drop the Dbol and start focusing harder on the training and getting your mood back in order, Just take a few days off orals and run the Var again.

That Test dose combined with the Dbol Is shooting up your hormones and causing a negative reaction clearly, Maybe even look into something like Deca or other classic combinations with Test. But you should not be obsessed too hard with the scale, I've been the same weight give or take 5lbs for the last 2 months and still made huge gains.

How tall are you? How long have you been training overall? Is this your first cycle?

 

[Testisthebest15]

What made you want to run Anavar and dbol at the same time? I would pick one or the other. Anavar is really for nice lean gains and dbol is like the polar opposite. It makes some people fluffy as fuck. It’s not unheard of but most don’t run both together. The not being able to sleep in probably your blood pressure from all the compounds as well a nice like e2 spike from the Hcg and dbol.

 

[baked_cake]

Take a few days off Orals completely and see If It helps your sleep some, you don't need to be taking them every single day.

Like Jin said your levels are pretty much peaked at this stage so you're definitely feeling the brunt of whatever you're taking practically full force.. I did a similar cycle my first time but I got the dreaded "BACNE" ew.

It's a long, drawn out experience.. get it? drawn out hehehe - you'll have to find out the compounds that work for you and It takes time.. I'd just drop the Dbol and start focusing harder on the training and getting your mood back in order, Just take a few days off orals and run the Var again.

That Test dose combined with the Dbol Is shooting up your hormones and causing a negative reaction clearly, Maybe even look into something like Deca or other classic combinations with Test. But you should not be obsessed too hard with the scale, I've been the same weight give or take 5lbs for the last 2 months and still made huge gains.

How tall are you? How long have you been training overall? Is this your first cycle?

I am 6'3" Started training 1 year ago at a starting weight of 180lbs. I stopped taking the dbol and anavar last friday, my sides have already stopped.

This is my 2nd cycle on dbol. the first cycle was sort of dbol trt at 15mg a day by itself, no test at the time, and I shot up from 180 to 195 in 3-4 weeks. Not sure how much was water since I jumped from dbol to test and hcg and havent been off since.

I was hoping to see another 15lb jump but maybe thats too optimistic, I was also trying to get rid of this dbol to be honest, but now I realize how great it is for a pre work out I think ill use what I have left for that.

How do you measure your gains if you stayed the same weight? Arm/chest measurements?

 

[baked_cake]

What made you want to run Anavar and dbol at the same time? I would pick one or the other. Anavar is really for nice lean gains and dbol is like the polar opposite. It makes some people fluffy as fuck. It’s not unheard of but most don’t run both together. The not being able to sleep in probably your blood pressure from all the compounds as well a nice like e2 spike from the Hcg and dbol.

To be honest I bought too much of these orals and I want it gone.

After experimenting I think I prefer lower doses of test (250mg/week) with dbol as a pre work out.

I can only tolerate 10mg of anavar in the morning. I don't really know what to do with stuff, I have about 4 months worth left if I take it every day.

 

[baked_cake]

I'm guessing if you're eating 3000 calories and trying to grow that you're a female? But then the gear wouldn't make sense at those doses.

You need SUBSTANTIALLY more food to grow if you're a male at around 200lbs. Try starting around 4k calories. Push a fuck ton of carbs.

If you can "eat and eat" try to actually do that. I mean man I'm past 3,000 calories by noon. Get your carbs up there. 4,000 calories to start and if you don't grow, keep going up by 200 at a time

4000 calories? I really thought 3000 would be enough, I have been trying to eat more where I can but I didn't know I would need that much, I am going to keep tracking my weight and see how much it takes.

 

[Rido]

I am 6'3" Started training 1 year ago at a starting weight of 180lbs. I stopped taking the dbol and anavar last friday, my sides have already stopped.

This is my 2nd cycle on dbol. the first cycle was sort of dbol trt at 15mg a day by itself, no test at the time, and I shot up from 180 to 195 in 3-4 weeks. Not sure how much was water since I jumped from dbol to test and hcg and havent been off since.

I was hoping to see another 15lb jump but maybe thats too optimistic, I was also trying to get rid of this dbol to be honest, but now I realize how great it is for a pre work out I think ill use what I have left for that.

How do you measure your gains if you stayed the same weight? Arm/chest measurements?

What is dbol trt and no test? Jesus...

 

[baked_cake]

I think maybe my original post wasnt very clear, I have been on test c and hcg for about 3 months. Before that I was on dbol only at 15mg for 1 month. I have been running the dbol again at 20mg for the last 3 weeks on top of the test and hcg. I have basically ran the anavar at 10mg/day for 3 months straight, and I still have another 4 months worth........

If I look at my gains in terms of strength, I would say my starting weight for a arm press 1 year ago would be around 150lb at 3x8 reps.

Today I am pressing 245lb at 3x6 reps, but its a hard 6 reps. I am using a all in one cable pulley gym set in my garage and going from 7 plates to 8 plates was a 45lb jump.

I can easily press 7 plates at 200lbs at 3x10 reps.

 

[Rido]

I think maybe my original post wasnt very clear, I have been on test c and hcg for about 3 months. Before that I was on dbol only at 15mg for 1 month. I have been running the dbol again at 20mg for the last 3 weeks on top of the test and hcg. I have basically ran the anavar at 10mg/day for 3 months straight, and I still have another 4 months worth........

If I look at my gains in terms of strength, I would say my starting weight for a arm press 1 year ago would be around 150lb at 3x8 reps.

Today I am pressing 245lb at 3x6 reps, but its a hard 6 reps. I am using a all in one cable pulley gym set in my garage and going from 7 plates to 8 plates was a 45lb jump.

I can easily press 7 plates at 200lbs at 3x10 reps.

How old are you?

Idk man. It's pretty clear that there are alot of issues here... It seems like you need to start learning the basics.

You don't have a gym membership?

 

[finroid]

No anabolic will hold you back unless you have completely abused it to destroy your insides.

I think a quick summary is in order for you to see the real points why you are not seeing significant changes:
-You eat too little. You have not mentioned how much proteins you eat a day. Are you even tracking or calculating this? Using AAS will increase your daily consumption, if you are eating the same as before then you will start dropping in weight.
-You are using basically a TRT dose of test. Meaning you have basically killed your own production to inject about the same level of test exogenously. You use test C and inject 3 times a week, this is simply a waste of pins and time (with 7+ day half-life you are more than fine pinning once a week).
-You use the lowest end doses of orals, basically meant for therapeutic settings to combat some disease/illness induced weight loss. If you want to make gains and changes in your body, you need to up your doses assuming your training, eating and sleeping are in order (which to me seems like they are not).
-The side effects you mentioned seem to generally involve only bitchiness. Dbol aromatizes heavily, you have not mentioned anything about AI/SERM protocol in use.
-If you are set on using only a TRT dose of test because that feels best, you should not be looking into orals to supplement your cycle but other injectables. They can be used for long time with no hepatoxic element, orals not.

 

[baked_cake]

How old are you?

Idk man. It's pretty clear that there are alot of issues here... It seems like you need to start learning the basics.

You don't have a gym membership?

I'm 37.

I might have to get a gym membership this year since 8 plates/ 245lbs is the max this thing goes on the arm press.

Lifting is fun, feels good, I'd like to keep at it for years to come. I want to jump off the test/hcg in the next 4-6 months and see where that takes me.

 

[SandWalker73]

To be honest I bought too much of these orals and I want it gone.

do you know who else will be gone ? You lol, you'll die if you use steroids like this, probably of high pressure popping an artery in your brain

 

[baked_cake]

No anabolic will hold you back unless you have completely abused it to destroy your insides.

I think a quick summary is in order for you to see the real points why you are not seeing significant changes:
-You eat too little. You have not mentioned how much proteins you eat a day. Are you even tracking or calculating this? Using AAS will increase your daily consumption, if you are eating the same as before then you will start dropping in weight.
-You are using basically a TRT dose of test. Meaning you have basically killed your own production to inject about the same level of test exogenously. You use test C and inject 3 times a week, this is simply a waste of pins and time (with 7+ day half-life you are more than fine pinning once a week).
-You use the lowest end doses of orals, basically meant for therapeutic settings to combat some disease/illness induced weight loss. If you want to make gains and changes in your body, you need to up your doses assuming your training, eating and sleeping are in order (which to me seems like they are not).
-The side effects you mentioned seem to generally involve only bitchiness. Dbol aromatizes heavily, you have not mentioned anything about AI/SERM protocol in use.
-If you are set on using only a TRT dose of test because that feels best, you should not be looking into orals to supplement your cycle but other injectables. They can be used for long time with no hepatoxic element, orals not.

I wrote down all the calories for everything I eat on a spread sheet including fat proteins and carbs. Even the meals where I make a pot of food I added up the total calories of the pot then counted how many meals I was able to get out of it.

I hit about 2800-3200 calories and 174-198 grams of proteins per day, is this really not enough? Last time when I stopped gaining at 195lb I was probably only eating about 2300 calories.

I think you answered my question, about ASS causing my body to burn more calories, I guess I need to come up with a plan to eat more.

I pin test 3 times a week just because I'm already pinning hcg 3 times, which I think has a 2 day half life, so I do them together (not in the same needle).

I agree that my doses are low, and thats personal preference. My logic follows something like:

560IU hcg = 75% of normal test production?

Add 225mg of test on top of that

Add orals at a low dose to supplement

If I experience side effects or feel like I need a ai/serm, I instead will reduce my dose.

This is my first experience with each of these compounds, so I guess I'm learning.