Anavar holding me back?

[Evom1]

4000 calories? I really thought 3000 would be enough, I have been trying to eat more where I can but I didn't know I would need that much, I am going to keep tracking my weight and see how much it takes.

I have female clients on over 3500 calories, 3000 is absolutely not enough

 

[Testisthebest15]

My first cycle was dbol and test e years ago and I had the same thing, I gained alot in a short period of time. A lot of people chase that same first time taking anabolics after that and it’s just unrealistic. After that first cycle you gotta put in the work. Food, rest, and hard work outs. I know for me I am 6’1 200 pounds and I have a hard time gaining. Even taking anabolics. You’re never going to gain again like that first dbol run.

Also, orals last a long time. You can hang on to them stored in a dry place and they’ll last a couple years at least. Use them at another time

I am 6'3" Started training 1 year ago at a starting weight of 180lbs. I stopped taking the dbol and anavar last friday, my sides have already stopped.

This is my 2nd cycle on dbol. the first cycle was sort of dbol trt at 15mg a day by itself, no test at the time, and I shot up from 180 to 195 in 3-4 weeks. Not sure how much was water since I jumped from dbol to test and hcg and havent been off since.

I was hoping to see another 15lb jump but maybe thats too optimistic, I was also trying to get rid of this dbol to be honest, but now I realize how great it is for a pre work out I think ill use what I have left for that.

How do you measure your gains if you stayed the same weight? Arm/chest measurements?

 

[Jin23]

No anabolic will hold you back unless you have completely abused it to destroy your insides.

I think a quick summary is in order for you to see the real points why you are not seeing significant changes:
-You eat too little. You have not mentioned how much proteins you eat a day. Are you even tracking or calculating this? Using AAS will increase your daily consumption, if you are eating the same as before then you will start dropping in weight.
-You are using basically a TRT dose of test. Meaning you have basically killed your own production to inject about the same level of test exogenously. You use test C and inject 3 times a week, this is simply a waste of pins and time (with 7+ day half-life you are more than fine pinning once a week).
-You use the lowest end doses of orals, basically meant for therapeutic settings to combat some disease/illness induced weight loss. If you want to make gains and changes in your body, you need to up your doses assuming your training, eating and sleeping are in order (which to me seems like they are not).
-The side effects you mentioned seem to generally involve only bitchiness. Dbol aromatizes heavily, you have not mentioned anything about AI/SERM protocol in use.
-If you are set on using only a TRT dose of test because that feels best, you should not be looking into orals to supplement your cycle but other injectables. They can be used for long time with no hepatoxic element, orals not.

@baked_cake be mindful of this comment. 225 mg of test is not trt unless you are a really shitty metabolizer. 225 mg's puts me at around 2500 ng dl, which is a cycle, trt for me is 75 mg. Just for reference. But you need bloods to see where you're at.

30mg dbol is plenty. Not a small dose. And 10mg anavar added to 30 mg dbol is not insignificant. You are on a proper cycle with those dosages.

And pinning 3 x a week makes sense for keeping estrogen conversion minimized. Makes sense as you are also using dbol. But do know that you almost certainly have high e2 because you are not using an Ai and just the 30mg of dbol is enough to elevate it yet alone the hcg and test ...

 

[AGDP]

What made you want to run Anavar and dbol at the same time? I would pick one or the other. Anavar is really for nice lean gains and dbol is like the polar opposite. It makes some people fluffy as fuck. It’s not unheard of but most don’t run both together. The not being able to sleep in probably your blood pressure from all the compounds as well a nice like e2 spike from the Hcg and dbol.

I’m glad someone said it

 

[Rido]

I have female clients on over 3500 calories, 3000 is absolutely not enough

To be fair, I wonder how big your female clients are though lol and their activity level.

I was shoving 4k calories down and making gains off of it. I am 225-230 right now(unsure where I am, waiting for cycle weight to get off of me).

I felt ridiculously full all the time with that intake.

 

[Jin23]

To be fair, I wonder how big your female clients are though lol and their activity level.

I was shoving 4k calories down and making gains off of it. I am 225-230 right now(unsure where I am, waiting for cycle weight to get off of me).

I felt ridiculously full all the time with that intake.

Damn, already at 225. Growing like a mushroom

 

[Evom1]

To be fair, I wonder how big your female clients are though lol and their activity level.

I was shoving 4k calories down and making gains off of it. I am 225-230 right now(unsure where I am, waiting for cycle weight to get off of me).

I felt ridiculously full all the time with that intake.

Hah well, one is a 148lb women's physique competitor, and the other is about the same weight, taller so not the same muscle mass but just an insane metabolism. She gets 2 cheat meals per week and still struggles to put on any size lol

To be fair yes, most females really pushing to grow are somewhere in that 2200-2500 range if they're not really big


It's crazy how different metabolisms can be. Nick Walker had posted last year his peak off season calorie intake was 5500 and he is absolutely absurdly bigger than me and yet I wouldn't gain on that calorie intake.

 

[Rido]

Damn, already at 225. Growing like a mushroom

I went as high as 237. Water weight etc. I'm drying out right now from letting everything wash out. I started my cut a 9 days ago too

 

[baked_cake]

Thanks for the input everyone. I have been adding an extra 500 calories to my diet this week and it looks like I'm starting to go up a little bit, maybe 2 lbs by the end of the week. My total daily calories is probably at 3500 now.

 

[baked_cake]

My first cycle was dbol and test e years ago and I had the same thing, I gained alot in a short period of time. A lot of people chase that same first time taking anabolics after that and it’s just unrealistic. After that first cycle you gotta put in the work. Food, rest, and hard work outs. I know for me I am 6’1 200 pounds and I have a hard time gaining. Even taking anabolics. You’re never going to gain again like that first dbol run.

Also, orals last a long time. You can hang on to them stored in a dry place and they’ll last a couple years at least. Use them at another time

It's funny how my first run was a 15lb gain, 180 to 195lb. I freaked out and stopped, didn't really want people to think I was cycling.

This time around I'm like "yeahhhhh lets go" 10lb gain and boom I get asked if my cycling.

 

[baked_cake]

@baked_cake be mindful of this comment. 225 mg of test is not trt unless you are a really shitty metabolizer. 225 mg's puts me at around 2500 ng dl, which is a cycle, trt for me is 75 mg. Just for reference. But you need bloods to see where you're at.

30mg dbol is plenty. Not a small dose. And 10mg anavar added to 30 mg dbol is not insignificant. You are on a proper cycle with those dosages.

And pinning 3 x a week makes sense for keeping estrogen conversion minimized. Makes sense as you are also using dbol. But do know that you almost certainly have high e2 because you are not using an Ai and just the 30mg of dbol is enough to elevate it yet alone the hcg and test ...

Thanks for the insight, I could definitely feel some side effects on this run. As soon as I dropped the orals, all side effects were gone within 2 days.

 

[Alistair7]

What made you want to run Anavar and dbol at the same time? I would pick one or the other. Anavar is really for nice lean gains and dbol is like the polar opposite. It makes some people fluffy as fuck. It’s not unheard of but most don’t run both together. The not being able to sleep in probably your blood pressure from all the compounds as well a nice like e2 spike from the Hcg and dbol.

I’m running Anavar and D bol together and I love it. The Var dries me out so much I had to add the dbol to keep my joints from hurting and this is on top of 600mg of test C a week. No AI. This is a bulk cycle so I don’t care if I look slightly puffy but I won’t let myself turn into a bloated mess.

I’m taking 20mg Var and 50mg Dbol split 25mg twice a day. Only been a few weeks so far so can’t comment on gains yet.

 

[Logan44551]

I think maybe my original post wasnt very clear, I have been on test c and hcg for about 3 months. Before that I was on dbol only at 15mg for 1 month. I have been running the dbol again at 20mg for the last 3 weeks on top of the test and hcg. I have basically ran the anavar at 10mg/day for 3 months straight, and I still have another 4 months worth........

If I look at my gains in terms of strength, I would say my starting weight for a arm press 1 year ago would be around 150lb at 3x8 reps.

Today I am pressing 245lb at 3x6 reps, but its a hard 6 reps. I am using a all in one cable pulley gym set in my garage and going from 7 plates to 8 plates was a 45lb jump.

I can easily press 7 plates at 200lbs at 3x10 reps.

This is a trainwreck, orals shouldn't be ran that long. This is a harm reduction board. Stop taking everything pct, read a ton and continue to work out.

 

[baked_cake]

This is a trainwreck, orals shouldn't be ran that long. This is a harm reduction board. Stop taking everything pct, read a ton and continue to work out.

IIRC there was a study where participants took anavar for 6 months, and only the groups that took 40mg or higher daily showed any signs of health related problems. I can't remember where I saw it.

 

[finroid]

IIRC there was a study where participants took anavar for 6 months, and only the groups that took 40mg or higher daily showed any signs of health related problems. I can't remember where I saw it.

6 months is not that long when considering slow onset of kidney, heart, blood vessel or even liver related diseases. I have also seen a study on Anadrol which showed that long time exposure based on liver enzymes is highly overstated on forums like this, but this was only considering the liver. Blood pressure and cholesterol are slow and silent killers. This is why people here take a religious attitude towards blood panels, year after year doing the same tests just to confirm that they are not killing themselves with these compounds in 10 or 20 years of time (or even longer).

I'm not one of those guys but I feel there is a clear understanding on where they stand and why I love tren and will probably kill myself in the long run with these compounds.

 

[marco11]

IIRC there was a study where participants took anavar for 6 months, and only the groups that took 40mg or higher daily showed any signs of health related problems. I can't remember where I saw it.

Still best to run for a maximum of 6 weeks on ligher compounds like var or tbol. Anadrol, superdrol, dbol etc I never run for longer than 3-4 weeks max.

As someone else already pointed out your main issue is calorie intake. If you bump it up significantly youll make lots of gains.

 

[Turbo charged]

Still best to run for a maximum of 6 weeks on ligher compounds like var or tbol. Anadrol, superdrol, dbol etc I never run for longer than 3-4 weeks max.

As someone else already pointed out your main issue is calorie intake. If you bump it up significantly youll make lots of gains.

Never run anadrol for more than 3 to 4 weeks were did you get that from. It's probably safer than tbol. This anadrol being toxic as everyone thinks is ridiculous. Let's see the studies and tests on people running anadrol for more than 3 to 4 weeks is a problem. It's much safer drug than half the stuff out there and probably the most studied steriod in the world.

 

[Rido]

Never run anadrol for more than 3 to 4 weeks were did you get that from. It's probably safer than tbol. This anadrol being toxic as everyone thinks is ridiculous. Let's see the studies and tests on people running anadrol for more than 3 to 4 weeks is a problem. It's much safer drug than half the stuff out there and probably the most studied steriod in the world.

If these old men can do it. So can I damnit.

Effects of an oral androgen on muscle and metabolism in older, community-dwelling men - PubMed

To determine whether oxymetholone increases lean body mass (LBM) and skeletal muscle strength in older persons, 31 men 65-80 yr of age were randomized to placebo (group 1) or 50 mg (group 2) or 100 mg (group 3) daily for 12 wk. For the three groups, total LBM increased by 0.0 +/- 0.6, 3.3 +/-...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Turbo charged]

If these old men can do it. So can I damnit.

Effects of an oral androgen on muscle and metabolism in older, community-dwelling men - PubMed

To determine whether oxymetholone increases lean body mass (LBM) and skeletal muscle strength in older persons, 31 men 65-80 yr of age were randomized to placebo (group 1) or 50 mg (group 2) or 100 mg (group 3) daily for 12 wk. For the three groups, total LBM increased by 0.0 +/- 0.6, 3.3 +/-...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That's what I am talking about 3 to 4 weeks lol

 

[marco11]

That study doesnt cover damage to the kidneys related to increased BP over extended periods of time and these men were not given anything else besides anadrol. (anadrol skyrockets my BP)

Youre telling me a bodybuilder who abuses multiple injectable and oral compounds including tren and eats a surplus of calories far exceeding those in the study are going to end up with the same amount of damage.

That study sucks did you guys even read it. Send me some better stuff thats weak. We all know anabolics will increase LBM but this is about harm reduction.