Anavar holding me back?

[Turbo charged]

All vitals were checked during the study. Also anadrol is not kidney toxic as anavar not even close. They prescribe anadrol to girsl and kids there was a instance that a woman was prescribed 25 mgs of anadrol and was on medication for 6 years straight and liver was fine other than some cysts wich is to be expected. Know what you are talking about before assuming.

 

[Turbo charged]

That study doesnt cover damage to the kidneys related to increased BP over extended periods of time and these men were not given anything else besides anadrol. (anadrol skyrockets my BP)

Youre telling me a bodybuilder who abuses multiple injectable and oral compounds including tren and eats a surplus of calories far exceeding those in the study are going to end up with the same amount of damage.

That study sucks did you guys even read it. Send me some better stuff thats weak. We all know anabolics will increase LBM but this is about harm reduction.

When your wrong admit it buddy the study is a good study with good data and plenty of subjects. Oh yeah they didn't check there blood pressure lol or heart rate lol. Give me a break.

 

[marco11]

All vitals were checked during the study. Also anadrol is not kidney toxic as anavar not even close. They prescribe anadrol to girsl and kids there was a instance that a woman was prescribed 25 mgs of anadrol and was on medication for 6 years straight and liver was fine other than some cysts wich is to be expected. Know what you are talking about before assuming.

Cysts LOL

From now on you're known as Bostin Lloyd version 2.0

Smh

 

[Turbo charged]

Cysts LOL

From now on you're known as Bostin Lloyd version 2.0

Smh

No you are the steriod guru keep it us posted at all times with ur wealth of knowledge we don't want to hurt ourselves lol

 

[marco11]

No you are the steriod guru keep it us posted at all times with ur wealth of knowledge we don't want to hurt ourselves lol

Never claimed to be a guru I just know its not wise to run orals for extended periods of time.

You do your thing hope it works out for you.

 

[baked_cake]

I definitely agree that these oral compounds are having some effect on my health and I think after I use them up that will be it.

I do have a blood pressure machine and I'm always over 120 about 125-130 consistently. Combined with the cholesterol changes from the anavar I agree that I could be looking at negative heath effects over time, and that I should probably have a blood panel done to see where I am at currently.

I am currently taking a supplement for kidney health because of concerns about the anavar as well.

If I do another run after this I think my choice will be:

hcg at 500-750 IU/week
test at 150-250mg/week
primo in a 1:1 ratio with test

 

[Rido]

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I definitely agree that these oral compounds are having some effect on my health and I think after I use them up that will be it.

I do have a blood pressure machine and I'm always over 120 about 125-130 consistently. Combined with the cholesterol changes from the anavar I agree that I could be looking at negative heath effects over time, and that I should probably have a blood panel done to see where I am at currently.

I am currently taking a supplement for kidney health because of concerns about the anavar as well.

If I do another run after this I think my choice will be:

hcg at 500-750 IU/week
test at 150-250mg/week
primo in a 1:1 ratio with test

that BP is fine, food intake is still an issue for you if you dont get it.

If you do not get fat or muscle and are simply at a standstill its a red flag its diet related.

If you do get more fat or muscle its most likely drug or training related(always most likely training)

 

[bornSkinny]

@baked_cake be mindful of this comment. 225 mg of test is not trt unless you are a really shitty metabolizer. 225 mg's puts me at around 2500 ng dl, which is a cycle, trt for me is 75 mg. Just for reference. But you need bloods to see where you're at.

225 of cyp a week puts me right into high normal sometimes not even 1000. People respond differently.

I was a similar size when I started using aas about 6’2”. Lean 180ish depending on how lean you’re talking.
If you want to grow you should be eating far more when you’re on then taking a break when you come down. I had regular periods of months targeting and sometimes exceeding 5800 calories sustained for months at a time. Saying you’re pushing yourself to eat 3000 means you’re wasting your time pinning gear. Might as well stick to trt if you don’t want to eat.

What’s an arm press?

 

[Jin23]

225 of cyp a week puts me right into high normal sometimes not even 1000. People respond differently.

I fully realize that. It's why comments suggesting this and that mg dosage, without suggesting bloods to determine actual serum concentrations, aren't as helpful as they could be.

You are on the very lower end and I'm on the upper.

 

[bornSkinny]

I fully realize that. It's why comments suggesting this and that mg dosage, without suggesting bloods to determine actual serum concentrations, aren't as helpful as they could be.

You are on the very lower end and I'm on the upper.

Just making sure he doesn’t panic or anything. Anyway, I’m still trying to figure out what this arm press is. Any ideas?

 

[Jin23]

Just making sure he doesn’t panic or anything. Anyway, I’m still trying to figure out what this arm press is. Any ideas?

Lawl, idk, I'd say probably delts ...

 

[baked_cake]

Just making sure he doesn’t panic or anything. Anyway, I’m still trying to figure out what this arm press is. Any ideas?

It's what they call it on this multi gym cable machine I have in my garage. Basically its like doing a seated bench press.

The gym set is called the weider pro 9635

 

[bornSkinny]

It's what they call it on this multi gym cable machine I have in my garage. Basically its like doing a seated bench press.

The gym set is called the weider pro 9635

Gotcha. Machine bench press.

I remember when I was a teenager I thought I could bench like 250 because that’s what I could do on a machine like that. When we started weight training for sports I threw a couple 45’s on like no big deal.

It didn’t go well.

 

[grey]

I remember when I was a teenager I thought I could bench like 250 because that’s what I could do on a machine like that. When we started weight training for sports I threw a couple 45’s on like no big deal.

Mechanical advantage can be a real motherfucker...

 

[Deezznutzz]

With anavar the way the doctors do it at the clinics is they prescribe you 50 mg a week for 8 weeks. If your liver enzymes look good and your lipids look good they'll let you do another cycle right away ...but as soon as they see bad blood work they make you take a break. They also sell NAC and encourage you to take 1200 mg a day while you're on an oral cycle... it almost always makes your liver enzymes perfect.. they try and sell a tiny bottle of NAC for $50 LOL but I just buy my own. I never go past 8 weeks myself though.

 

[Megadick3000]

Your issues diet. Since even without gear if your running a true surplus you will add scale weight. So of your on gear and not adding scale weight your not in a surplus.

The reason youve made past gains on low calories is because water retention associated with AAS can happen even in a caloric deficit. So you “think” your making real gainz but its just water weight. To make real muscle gainz your gonna need a surplus. To make water gains alls you need is to jam yourself fukl of AAS, even in a steep deficit you will gain initially.

Also the scale isnt so important, measurements of various body parts is far better. Every 2 weeks measure arms, chest, waist. If you have fat calipers use those as well. Re-log it every 2 weeks and see if your progressing, dont become so fixated on the scale, its the least important indicator.

 

[Live_Evil]

10mg anavar is less than half the maximum clinical dosage used in trials, lol.

The anavar is barely doing anything to you.

 

[Daddymcd]

I have been following this plan for the last 3 weeks

10mg anavar ED in the morning
20mg dbol ED split into 5mg doses 4 times a day
225mg test c weekly split mon wed fri (running for 3 months)
562IU hcg weekly split mon wed fri (running for 3 months)

starting weight was 193lb
Daily calory intake at the start was about 2800

After week 1 or so I shot up to 203lb, by the end of week 2 I saw no more gains on the scale so I pushed my calories over 3000. Pretty much forcing myself to eat an extra sandwich every day or add something to the dinners that I measure out. One thing I noticed is that I can just eat and eat and my weight didn't change at all during week 3.

I am now at that point where the sides are too much. Can't sleep, getting upset and snapping at people, I decided to drop the dbol to 10mg 3x a week just before my work out. But I can't decide what to do with the anavar.

I feel like the anavar was the reason I could eat but didn't see any gains after a certain point, but I think the gains I wasn't seeing might have all been fat anyways.

Shouldn't be snapping at people lol, none of those are aggressive compounds besides maybe the test; that's a light dose though.
You just need to chill or check your estrogen levels.
I'd drop the dbol but Anavar is mild af, definitely not the cause of your problems.
Might be worthwhile to speak to a psych doc and get Ambien or Valium/another hypnotic to help you get sleep or there's no point in taking all of that gear if your muscles and heart can't even recover.

If you're really training right and can't put on weight, take a 5 day break and carb load, then switch up your routine completely to shock your muscles... Besides that I'd try ghrp-6 or mk677 in 5-7 day bursts to boost your appetite. Run them both at max twice a month.
Low dose cannabis edibles work excellent for about a week for appetite increase and then the effects wear off.

 

[Daddymcd]

With anavar the way the doctors do it at the clinics is they prescribe you 50 mg a week for 8 weeks. If your liver enzymes look good and your lipids look good they'll let you do another cycle right away ...but as soon as they see bad blood work they make you take a break. They also sell NAC and encourage you to take 1200 mg a day while you're on an oral cycle... it almost always makes your liver enzymes perfect.. they try and sell a tiny bottle of NAC for $50 LOL but I just buy my own. I never go past 8 weeks myself though.

Thoughts on NAC vs. tudca?

 

[Deezznutzz]

Thoughts on NAC vs. tudca?

I take both when I run orals but I use Nac before every lab test to keep enzymes in the green.