Androhard Log

[kenseth17cd]

Ok, if you are not familiar with my other posts I have low dht, I am giving androhard a try to see if it will boost my dht and if it has any bad sides, or negatives to taking it long term. I will be starting out at a low dose due to the fact if this product does what it claims, the recommended dose would be way too much for long term use. I am hoping this product can be used with my trt on a long term basis. I will post bloodwork after 4-6 weeks. My pre supp bloodwork is Total T 605, e2 18, shbg 6, dht 151 pg/ml. My current sypmtoms are very little muscle definition despite being a dedicated weightlifter since I was 12, low libido, low penis sensitivity.......

 

[kenseth17cd]

9-24-11 Day 2 of taking Androhard. The bottle says take 1-3 pills twice a day. Im starting at 1 pill 2x a day. I took my first dose last night and noticed nothing. However I did awake with night time and morning wood. The morning wood went away immediately after getting out of the bed. I took a pill at 10 am and within 45 min I had strong wood that has been intermittent up unitl now. Idk if there is any correlation between the androhard and this reaction, but I can only think there is because I never have random wood. Also I am a powerlifter but I do not want to bore people with my workouts, so I will post progress if I make any significant gains in the gym, but not my routine. If you have any questions just ask and I will try to answer them.

 

[4-chloro]

I've taken Androsterone before (the old androhard) and I definitely noticed an increased pump, energy, libido and a dried out veiny look. This is a given.

The question is whether it actually raises DHT, and what it's affect is on other hormones and in the long term.

The main thing that keeps me away is the 3a-diol connection to BPH and the price.

I also wonder if the product could be contaminated with a degree of DHT in itself. I mean, it was manufactured in China and the production starts with DHT... not to mention the reaction is reversible. It's unlikely but possible.

Subb'd for the bloods.

 

[kenseth17cd]

Yeah I hope it doesnt give me any prostate issues at all, this is one of the reasons Im taking such a low dose. Im not too concerned it if causes my hair to shed though, rather have a bald head and a dick that works.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Not surprisingly, no amount of logic, science, or otherwise will persuade 'bro lore, which is what androsterone (and other DHEA derivatives) is about (and, of course, persistent marketing)!

See: https://thinksteroids.com/community/posts/781992

 

[kenseth17cd]

I already paid for it days before I made the post, this stuff is very expensive lol and I wasnt gonna just throw it away. So I respect your logic and the examples you have laid forward but I gotta give it a try, if it dont work then I know I can turn to andractim gel.

 

[kenseth17cd]

Last night I took one pill of Androhard. I woke a couple times with strong wood. When I got out of the bed this morning I had wood but it went away after 10 min. I have lost 1 pound since started this product and also my nipples look less puffy. I have always have very puffy nipples no matter how much adex I take. So far no bad sides. Im about to take my morning dose. I will update.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

I will update.

Not surprisingly, no amount of logic, science, or otherwise will persuade 'bro lore, which is what androsterone (and other DHEA derivatives) is about (and, of course, persistent marketing)!

See: https://thinksteroids.com/community/posts/781992

 

[BigBlackGuy]

http://www.primordialperformance.com/images/androseries/AndroHard%20DHT%20androstanediol%20glucuronide%209hr%20study.pdf

Dr. Scally, here is the blood work I posted in other thread. Please let me know what you think of the tests.

6 softgels of AH caused a 4.6x increase in DHT after 6 hours (30ng/dl >138ng/dl)

The AH dose was taken at 9:00am (8:45am baseline)

 

[Structure]

As mentioned on the other thread, there is a conflict of interest here. There is no way to tell if this data is completely fictitious or not. Please post any research you have from a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Remember that androsterone has been around for a very long time, so if it is effective when ingested, there should be some published articles out there...

 

[kenseth17cd]

Ok, I took one pill this morning around 9:30 am. About 3-40 min later I got strong wood that was pretty constant until 1 pm or so. Also I was constantly thinking about sex even up until 3:30 pm or so and then it went away. There is little doubt in my mind that this stuff at least raises libido quite significantly. I know when dealing with hormones, small changes can cause an increase in libido and then go away after 2 weeks of staying constant so we will see if that is the case with this product. So far I am impressed with Androhard I will continue to post after each dose if I can.

 

[zkt]

Anechdodal evidence is one thing, and I`m not saying that it is invalid, but peer reviewed studies are the gold standard.

 

[kenseth17cd]

You are absolutely right, that is why I will be getting labs drawn in a few weeks to determine if the product actually does what it states it does and to what degree at the dosage that I am taking.

 

[4-chloro]

You are absolutely right, that is why I will be getting labs drawn in a few weeks to determine if the product actually does what it states it does and to what degree at the dosage that I am taking.

From the research I've done I'm fairly convinced that it will raise DHT as advertised. That being said I'm still very interested to see, and to see if your body maintains the conversion. Also remember to get estrogen tested, I remember reading that androsterone raised estrogen secretion in rats.

3a-diol's conversion to estrogen might be why it has such a large affect on BPH (at least according to some studies) as estrogen increases either the length of time androgens spend in prostate cells or the concentration of them in the cells (I don't remember which).

The only thing I'm a little uneasy about is the affect of the intermediaries (in large amounts) on NT's and other tissues, specifically the prostate.

 

[kenseth17cd]

I will be taking my usual .25 mgs of adex every 3 days so I hope that takes care of any estrogen problems but I will def get e2 tested. I took my night time dose at 8pm no wood at all after this dose. I will post more in the morning

 

[heretostudy]

As mentioned on the other thread, there is a conflict of interest here. There is no way to tell if this data is completely fictitious or not. Please post any research you have from a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Remember that androsterone has been around for a very long time, so if it is effective when ingested, there should be some published articles out there...

For verification, contact the lab -

ANY LAB TEST NOW
714 SW Washington St.
Portland, OR 97205

Phone: (503) 446-6301

Ask for Eileen or Hilary. Request verification on the 10hr study performed for Primordial Performance on July 15th 2011.

 

[Structure]

For verification, contact the lab -

ANY LAB TEST NOW
714 SW Washington St.
Portland, OR 97205

Phone: (503) 446-6301

Ask for Eileen or Hilary. Request verification on the 10hr study performed for Primordial Performance on July 15th 2011.

Unfortunately, the conflict of interest is quite real, and this is not resolved by contacting the lab.

For example, suppose I did contact the lab, and verified that the printed results are unaltered. This takes care of the possibility of falsifying the results in their publication, but it does not take care of the possibility of falsifying the results by taking an anabolic steroid.

How would anyone know that Eric did this? He's a smart guy, isn't he? Wouldn't he know that he had much to gain by doing so? Is it not true that the supplement market is rife with false claims and snake oil, yet it is quite lucrative?

Show me some evidence in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Androsterone has been known about for a very long time. If consuming it orally raised DHT, there would be some evidence of this in the scientific literature.

 

[Structure]

3a-diol's conversion to estrogen might be why it has such a large affect on BPH (at least according to some studies) as estrogen increases either the length of time androgens spend in prostate cells or the concentration of them in the cells (I don't remember which).

The only thing I'm a little uneasy about is the affect of the intermediaries (in large amounts) on NT's and other tissues, specifically the prostate.

From what I understand, 5a-reduced steroids cannot be converted into estrogen. 3a-diol is metabolized from either DHT or 5a-dione (after first being converted into androsterone). I don't think that your statement is correct.

 

[kenseth17cd]

Yeah I dont think it will convert to estrogen but I got my regular adex anyway. I woke up with nightime wood a couple times last night, but no wood this morning. My shoulders hurt a lil more than usual this morning, kind of like its drying me out a lot. I will update

 

[kenseth17cd]

Took one pill this morning. I got wood about 25 min after taking the pill however its very intermittent. No bad sides to date other than possibly dry joints.