Androhard Log

[4-chloro]

From what I understand, 5a-reduced steroids cannot be converted into estrogen. 3a-diol is metabolized from either DHT or 5a-dione (after first being converted into androsterone). I don't think that your statement is correct.

You are probably right. I might have it confused with another steroid. I will look it up none-the-less. Or at least try and find what I read wrong

But I do seem to recall reading that androsterone administration increased estrogen secretion, however that doesn't mean that it affected the ratio.

 

[Structure]

Took one pill this morning. I got wood about 25 min after taking the pill however its very intermittent. No bad sides to date other than possibly dry joints.

FWIW: It is worth mentioning that I have low DHT, but I have never had erectile problems. I use DHT gel, and have not noticed any correlation between application time and erections or joint dryness. For that matter, I can't say that I have noticed any improvement in getting a "dry look" from using DHT either, though I'm naturally lean (6'2, 180 lbs, body fat in low teens).

I'm sure that BB levels of steroids would probably have much more noticeable effects, but my interest is to restore normal levels of DHT, not AAS cycling.

It's also worth mentioning that even guys with nonexistent levels of DHT (men born with 5ar-deficiency) do not necessarily have erectile dysfunction; if you look up 5a-reductase deficiency, you'll see that these men are completely unable to synthesize DHT, and are thus born with ambiguous genitalia (often, they are raised as girls until puberty). After puberty, their testes descend, and their bodies masculinize due to the testosterone surge.

While they have very small penises due to the 5ar deficiency, they still get erections, and they still masturbate.

Just thought you might want to know, since it seems that your log is mainly focused on getting erections...

Here is a pic of an adult man with 5ar deficiency. Note that he looks plenty ripped, and yet has absolutely no 5AR with which to make DHT:

(Source: Peterson RE, Imperato-McGinley J, Gautier T, Sturla E. Male pseudohermaphroditism due to steroid 5-alpha-reductase deficiency. Am J Med. 1977 Feb;62(2):170-91. Male pseudohermaphroditism due to steroid 5-alpha-r... [Am J Med. 1977] - PubMed - NCBI)

Here's a pic of a guy with 5ar deficiency before and after puberty:

(Same source as above)

 

[kenseth17cd]

Ok, my total T , free T, E2 are all perfect and dht is super low. I have difficulty getting an erection. As soon as I start supplementing with a product that is supposed to increase dht I get wood all the time. I think there probably is a correlation there. It is a fact that DHT in a man def contributes to libido, muscle developement, energy level.... Not a guess but def a fact. I dont know what your situation is, but if you had low dht and still had good libido then Im happy for you but Im sure that is what is casuing my problems. Whether this product will fix it or I will have to go to a different method, I am very confident that raising my dht to at least mid range will improve my libido and my life. But thanks for your experience. Its not just me saying my low dht is the problem also Dr. Rogers in TN, whom is prolly the leading hormonal dr within 150 miles of me also thinks this is the problem.

 

[Structure]

Ok, my total T , free T, E2 are all perfect and dht is super low. I have difficulty getting an erection. As soon as I start supplementing with a product that is supposed to increase dht I get wood all the time. I think there probably is a correlation there. It is a fact that DHT in a man def contributes to libido, muscle developement, energy level.... Not a guess but def a fact. I dont know what your situation is, but if you had low dht and still had good libido then Im happy for you but Im sure that is what is casuing my problems. Whether this product will fix it or I will have to go to a different method, I am very confident that raising my dht to at least mid range will improve my libido and my life. But thanks for your experience. Its not just me saying my low dht is the problem also Dr. Rogers in TN, whom is prolly the leading hormonal dr within 150 miles of me also thinks this is the problem.

It's not your situation that I'm suspicious of, it's the product. I just can't understand why there is no study to back up oral androsterone if it actually does anything, especially since its been around for so long. When you write that you've got a hard on within minutes of taking it, I imagine scores of readers thinking, "Yeah, I should buy that shit too."

Your log is one half of the story. Science is the other. I just don't see the science to back up your experience.

While it is your job to report your experience on this log, this is my job; it would be unethical of me to not point out these inconsistencies when I know they exist...

 

[BigBlackGuy]

I emailed Eric about this, and I don't have access to any databases so I can't look up the studies. I will get back to you guys when I can. I think the skepticism is 100% valid and is what keeps the industry (and other industries) striving for bigger and better products.

 

[kenseth17cd]

Ok back to point, I took one pill last night. Had sex with the wife which was great. I again woke up several times with wood and this morning I have wood that is staying around for a while. I worked out yesterday and if I noticed anything at all it was I never got tired. One possible side that I am noticing is anxiety. I have anzxiety problems anyway but it seems like within an hour of taking the pill I feel a slight panic attack coming over me. On a funny note, my wife told me to "quit taking the horny pill" lol.

 

[kenseth17cd]

I took another pill this morning. Same song and dance, erections for about 2 hrs and then it went away. I am truly convinced that either this supplement raises dht or has some sort of libido enhancer in it. But it helps me be a little more confident that my low dht is causing a lot of my problems. I will continue to post. Im thinking of doing labs late next week because this stuff is supposed to work very quickly so it shouldnt have to build up in my system for a month before it raises dht.

 

[kenseth17cd]

Last night I took one pill as usual. Nothing profound immediately after taking the pill. Woke up with wood several times last night and kept wood for about an hour after getting out of the bed. Joints still hurt, Im wondering if this product along with the adex is taking estrogen too low.

 

[Structure]

Last night I took one pill as usual. Nothing profound immediately after taking the pill. Woke up with wood several times last night and kept wood for about an hour after getting out of the bed. Joints still hurt, Im wondering if this product along with the adex is taking estrogen too low.

How long have you been taking adex? The average time to experience joint problems is 3 months. More than 50% of people taking adex for this amount of time will have joint pain. Be warned that when you get to that point, it can take quite a bit of time for the joint pain to go away.

 

[kenseth17cd]

I have been on adex for about a year now I guess, I may have figured out that the androhard does give me bad anxiety attacks. Idk why but after every dose I get that feeling and today I really had to fight it off. Any guesses on why it would do that?

 

[Structure]

I have been on adex for about a year now I guess, I may have figured out that the androhard does give me bad anxiety attacks. Idk why but after every dose I get that feeling and today I really had to fight it off. Any guesses on why it would do that?

That would definitely depend on what is actually in the supplements... There are plenty of perfectly legal things that you can put into a supplement that can make a person feel anxious.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Anxiety most likely due to the neurological activity of DHT... people can get anxiety from testosterone and trenbolone (very androgenic). But that's a "best guess" on my part.

 

[Structure]

Anxiety most likely due to the neurological activity of DHT... people can get anxiety from testosterone and trenbolone (very androgenic). But that's a "best guess" on my part.

Actually, this is the opposite of the truth. DHT is well known to decrease anxiety. There have even been experiments on animals that test DHT's anxiolytic properties:

Edinger KL, Frye CA. Intrahippocampal administration of an androgen receptor antagonist, flutamide, can increase anxiety-like behavior in intact and DHT-replaced male rats. Horm Behav. 2006 Aug;50(2):216-22. Epub 2006 Apr 24. Intrahippocampal administration of an androgen re... [Horm Behav. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI

Abstract

Testosterone (T) and its 5alpha-reduced metabolite, dihydrotestosterone (DHT), can decrease anxiety-like behavior; however, the mechanisms underlying these effects have not been established. First, we hypothesized that if T reduces anxiety-like behavior through actions of its 5alpha-reduced metabolite, DHT, then gonadectomy (GDX) would increase anxiety-like behavior, an effect which would be reversed by systemic administration of DHT. Second, we hypothesized that if T and DHT reduce anxiety-like behavior in part through actions at intracellular androgen receptors in the hippocampus, then administration of an androgen receptor antagonist, flutamide, directly to the hippocampus should increase anxiety-like behavior of intact and DHT-replaced, but not GDX, male rats. Inserts that were empty or contained flutamide were applied directly to the dorsal hippocampus of intact, GDX, or GDX and DHT-replaced rats 2 h prior to testing in the open field, elevated plus maze, or defensive freezing tasks. GDX rats exhibited significantly more anxiety-like behaviors than intact or DHT-replaced rats. Intact and DHT-replaced rats administered flutamide to the hippocampus showed significantly more anxiety-like behavior than did intact and DHT-replaced controls. However, flutamide alone did not increase anxiety-like behavior of GDX rats. Together, these findings suggest that androgens can decrease anxiety-like behavior of male rats in part through DHT's actions at androgen receptors in the hippocampus.

 

[kenseth17cd]

I dont know what in this product causes anxiety but it def does. I do now that any swing in hormone levels with me cause this such feeling as well as when my e2 is too low I also feel this way. But anyway, nightime and morning wood is insane while on Androhard. Other than libido and possibly shedding some water weight, this is all I have to post about the product for now.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Together, these findings suggest that androgens can decrease anxiety-like behavior of male rats in part through DHT's actions at androgen receptors in the hippocampus.

Kenseth, I am sorry, I did not know you were a rat. My apologies for the mistake above.

 

[zkt]

This entire thread is beginning to take on the delicate aroma of Muroidea.

 

[kenseth17cd]

Ok, I didnt take my pill this morning, but took one tonight. No anxiety this time, had sex with wife everything was good.... I will post in the morning. I am thinking that this stuff is super strong and to be used in the manner Im using ( along side of trt), it needs to be dosed extremely low.

 

[Structure]

Kenseth, I am sorry, I did not know you were a rat. My apologies for the mistake above.

This entire thread is beginning to take on the delicate aroma of Muroidea.

I'd have to agree with you there, zkt. BigBlackGuy, I'm afraid that the only rat here is you, pushing your fraudulent products.

I can't help but notice that you still haven't supplied any peer-reviewed evidence to support your claims. Not that your caffeine pills don't have their place (AndroCaffeine anyone?), but you should be ashamed of yourself, selling snake oil to people desperate to solve hormonal imbalances.

 

[kenseth17cd]

Well Im only taking one pill a day now, I am pretty sure that the androhard along with adex makes my e2 go down too much and thus causes anxiety, clicky joints, no libido...... Woke up this morning with no erection which was the first time in a week without it. Logic tells me e2 went too low.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

This entire thread is beginning to take on the delicate aroma of Muroidea.

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