Another newbie going for first cycle!

[Darkening99]

My Background
I'm 31 years-old, 4 years of lifing as a natty, never used steroid. I'm Asia and live in Southeast part.

My Objective
To bulk up and go beyond the natural plateau. I'm currently down to 12% BF and ready to bulk up. I have already done bloodwork for baseline and my test is normal.

My Cycle Plan
Week 1 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 2 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 3 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 4 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 5 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 6 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 7 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 8 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 9 - (nothing)
Week 10 - (nothing)
Week 11 - Clomid 100 MG/ED Nolvadex 20 MG/ED
Week 12 - Clomid 100 MG/ED Nolvadex 20 MG/ED
Week 13 - Clomid 50 MG/ED Nolvadex 10 MG/ED
Week 14 - Clomid 50 MG/ED Nolvadex 10 MG/ED

My Preparation
I have acquired gears as follow;
2 vials 10ML (300 MG/ML) Testosterone enanthate (UGL)
Clomid (50MG) = 50 tabs (UGL)
Nolvadex (20MG) = 50 tabs (UGL)
A box (100 pieces) of sterilized 23 gauge 1" needle
A box (100 pieces) of sterilized syringe
Alcohol pads

My Injection
I will be injecting my self all alone. I will draw 1.6 cc from vial, and use that same needle to inject into my thigh so I could see it, once a week, rotate side each week. I'm nervous but I'm gonna do it. I also watched countless IM video on Youtube and on here.

My Expectation
I expect "noticable" change in physique. Increase muscle mass like 10-15 LBs or more if possible, little fat along the way is acceptable. Water weight is not big concern. Just want to be more muscular and look fit in T-shirt.

My Diet & Training
I'm right now eating at maintenance level which is around 2300 calories, so during steroid cycle I will increase my intake to 3400 calories at least. And double my training to 6 days per week. Should I gradually increase Cal intake? or just increase from Day 1? Also the 1000 calories surplus is sweet spot for me? What do you guys think?

My gyno prevent
I learned that Test E only cycle at moderate dose doesn't need to worry much about gyno as long as I have proper PCT. I want to keep my cycle as simple as possible. I don't have any AI or HCG. After finish the cycle I will be off. (I'm not gonna cruise or do another cycle soon). If any slightest sign of gyno happen during cycle i will just take 10 MG Nolvadex a day throughtout cycle, is it ok? Or should I just take Nolvadex 10MG ED from Day1?

Finishing Cycle
When should I be lowering calories intake? During PCT phase? I should calculate my new maintenance and adjust accordingly right? Basically when should I stop eating in surplus so I will not gain unnecessary fat.

So you guys think overall my plan is good? Do I need to tweak anything, or any advise is appreciate!

Thank you in advance

 

[Mac11wildcat]

-8 weeks is a tad short for Test E
-23g needles are pretty fucking big to pin with...but I guess a decent balance for using the same needle to draw and pin
-adding 1000cals off the bat probably isn’t necessary; increments of 500 when progress stalls works fine
-have anti-e on hand, only use it when needed; the nolva solution is OK for semi-short stints
-your PCT starts too soon; starting PCT before exogenous hormones are mostly gone (4-5 half lives) is where everyone fucks up - with this being your first cycle it may not matter as most people recover fine from just test on their first go, but keep that in mind
-“maintenance” isn’t a calculation; maintenance is a balance of your input and output and how long you’ve been doing what you’re doing (if you eat 4000cals for 4 weeks, it’s most likely your maintenance; remove gear and it drops, but not to some app calculated number)

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

My Background
I'm 31 years-old, 4 years of lifing as a natty, never used steroid. I'm Asia and live in Southeast part.

My Objective
To bulk up and go beyond the natural plateau. I'm currently down to 12% BF and ready to bulk up. I have already done bloodwork for baseline and my test is normal.

My Cycle Plan
Week 1 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 2 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 3 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 4 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 5 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 6 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 7 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 8 - Testosterone E 480 MG
Week 9 - (nothing)
Week 10 - (nothing)
Week 11 - Clomid 100 MG/ED Nolvadex 20 MG/ED
Week 12 - Clomid 100 MG/ED Nolvadex 20 MG/ED
Week 13 - Clomid 50 MG/ED Nolvadex 10 MG/ED
Week 14 - Clomid 50 MG/ED Nolvadex 10 MG/ED

My Preparation
I have acquired gears as follow;
2 vials 10ML (300 MG/ML) Testosterone enanthate (UGL)
Clomid (50MG) = 50 tabs (UGL)
Nolvadex (20MG) = 50 tabs (UGL)
A box (100 pieces) of sterilized 23 gauge 1" needle
A box (100 pieces) of sterilized syringe
Alcohol pads

My Injection
I will be injecting my self all alone. I will draw 1.6 cc from vial, and use that same needle to inject into my thigh so I could see it, once a week, rotate side each week. I'm nervous but I'm gonna do it. I also watched countless IM video on Youtube and on here.

My Expectation
I expect "noticable" change in physique. Increase muscle mass like 10-15 LBs or more if possible, little fat along the way is acceptable. Water weight is not big concern. Just want to be more muscular and look fit in T-shirt.

My Diet & Training
I'm right now eating at maintenance level which is around 2300 calories, so during steroid cycle I will increase my intake to 3400 calories at least. And double my training to 6 days per week. Should I gradually increase Cal intake? or just increase from Day 1? Also the 1000 calories surplus is sweet spot for me? What do you guys think?

My gyno prevent
I learned that Test E only cycle at moderate dose doesn't need to worry much about gyno as long as I have proper PCT. I want to keep my cycle as simple as possible. I don't have any AI or HCG. After finish the cycle I will be off. (I'm not gonna cruise or do another cycle soon). If any slightest sign of gyno happen during cycle i will just take 10 MG Nolvadex a day throughtout cycle, is it ok? Or should I just take Nolvadex 10MG ED from Day1?

Finishing Cycle
When should I be lowering calories intake? During PCT phase? I should calculate my new maintenance and adjust accordingly right? Basically when should I stop eating in surplus so I will not gain unnecessary fat.

So you guys think overall my plan is good? Do I need to tweak anything, or any advise is appreciate!

Thank you in advance

First of all i (I... so this is IMHO) would have my estrogens blood checked...to predict aromatase activity..

Second...i would add some Deca Durabolin... maybe 200mg 2 x week...

Or Equipoise , to avoid complicating things with possible gyno...

in case you have high estrogens levels i would add a little of an aromatase inhibitor like Exemestane (aromasin... 25mg splitted in 2 taken Every third day)

and as you stated i would go for some
Tamox and or clomiphene during cycle as signs of high estrogens are seen

Third... i would add 500iu of HCG 3 x week to that pct program...

 

[Tren91]

Okay you lift 4 years and ask us if 1k calories increase is sweet spot for you?We are all different ,there are people who gain bf even on 200-300 cals surplus.You should know your body better.My advice is to start adding calories on your training days only at first,preferebly PERI workout.Wait with gear until you find your "sweet spot" for calories.If you can afford it ,just hire good coach.Its investment that will give you more benefits than using AAS without proper diet and training.

 

[Darkening99]

-8 weeks is a tad short for Test E
-23g needles are pretty fucking big to pin with...but I guess a decent balance for using the same needle to draw and pin
-adding 1000cals off the bat probably isn’t necessary; increments of 500 when progress stalls works fine
-have anti-e on hand, only use it when needed; the nolva solution is OK for semi-short stints
-your PCT starts too soon; starting PCT before exogenous hormones are mostly gone (4-5 half lives) is where everyone fucks up - with this being your first cycle it may not matter as most people recover fine from just test on their first go, but keep that in mind
-“maintenance” isn’t a calculation; maintenance is a balance of your input and output and how long you’ve been doing what you’re doing (if you eat 4000cals for 4 weeks, it’s most likely your maintenance; remove gear and it drops, but not to some app calculated number)

I was thinking about 8 weeks VS 10 weeks, but decided I will run just 8 weeks. From what i researched there is diminishing return so I will only gain little more if go for 10. And I don't have HCG I don't like the idea of shutting down testicle for long! so shut down for only 2 months is acceptable in my view...

Thanks for giving advise. about calories intake too, thank bro!

 

[Darkening99]

Okay you lift 4 years and ask us if 1k calories increase is sweet spot for you?We are all different ,there are people who gain bf even on 200-300 cals surplus.You should know your body better.My advice is to start adding calories on your training days only at first,preferebly PERI workout.Wait with gear until you find your "sweet spot" for calories.If you can afford it ,just hire good coach.Its investment that will give you more benefits than using AAS without proper diet and training.

Actually I know about how to lean bulk. But steroid is new to me I really have no idea about steroid... I read somewhere that you have to eat like a horse to GROW especially for the first cycle, the body portion will to store excess energy as muscle rathar than fat because of steroid power. Thanks for advise I will definitely keep this in mine and experiment with my body to find sweet spot.

 

[Oldschool]

I was thinking about 8 weeks VS 10 weeks, but decided I will run just 8 weeks. From what i researched there is diminishing return so I will only gain little more if go for 10. And I don't have HCG I don't like the idea of shutting down testicle for long! so shut down for only 2 months is acceptable in my view...

Thanks for giving advise. about calories intake too, thank bro!

You do realize that the guy that gave you that advice and the guy in the pic to the left of the advice are the same person correct? Lol. I’d do just exactly what he says. Nice to see you around Big Mac.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

I was thinking about 8 weeks VS 10 weeks, but decided I will run just 8 weeks. From what i researched there is diminishing return so I will only gain little more if go for 10. And I don't have HCG I don't like the idea of shutting down testicle for long! so shut down for only 2 months is acceptable in my view...

Thanks for giving advise. about calories intake too, thank bro!

I promise diminishing returns is not a thing unless maybe you’re a top level body builder? Even then I can’t imagine that makes sense because these guys are constantly making changes to their body. Further you go physique wise further you need to push I believe people stop the push the last few eeeks.

8 weeks of test E is pretty useless imo. Unless you’re doing 12 don’t touch it. If you’re worried about being shut down just don’t touch steroids then. You’re putting your body in a higher anabolic state at the risk of your health. No point in half assing it either go for it or don’t bother. But the time the Test kicks in you only have 4 weeks on.


The diet part you gotta do some more research on. Bulking Nd cutting arent thing imo. You’re either getting fat and fining muscle or you’re not. Sure you can trim some fat off, but you shouldn’t Bulk Nd cut how the highest level guys do. It just doesn’t work well for us for the most part. I rather look cut up year round.

once you do one cycle you’re going to do another by the way.

 

[Rival]

My Preparation
I have acquired gears as follow;
2 vials 10ML (300 MG/ML) Testosterone enanthate (UGL)
Clomid (50MG) = 50 tabs (UGL)
Nolvadex (20MG) = 50 tabs (UGL)
A box (100 pieces) of sterilized 23 gauge 1" needle
A box (100 pieces) of sterilized syringe
Alcohol pads

I hate to break it to you, but 2x 10ml vials at 480mg a week will only last you 6 weeks... That’s not accounting for at least 1ml lost depending on the syringe you use. Running out at 6 weeks and having an “oh shit I should have prepared myself better” is the last thing you want to do in the middle of your cycle.

Also, I wouldn’t recommend UGL for PCT or AI. go pharma if you can, it’s not expensive easy to find.

Agreed with the others, at 8 weeks you’re just going to start seeing your changes and probably won’t want to stop. If you’re doing this as a first cycle, I’d go the full 12 weeks.

 

[Gbro]

-8 weeks is a tad short for Test E
-23g needles are pretty fucking big to pin with...but I guess a decent balance for using the same needle to draw and pin
-adding 1000cals off the bat probably isn’t necessary; increments of 500 when progress stalls works fine
-have anti-e on hand, only use it when needed; the nolva solution is OK for semi-short stints
-your PCT starts too soon; starting PCT before exogenous hormones are mostly gone (4-5 half lives) is where everyone fucks up - with this being your first cycle it may not matter as most people recover fine from just test on their first go, but keep that in mind
-“maintenance” isn’t a calculation; maintenance is a balance of your input and output and how long you’ve been doing what you’re doing (if you eat 4000cals for 4 weeks, it’s most likely your maintenance; remove gear and it drops, but not to some app calculated number)

The thread could end with this advice right here. Mac is the kind of guy we all wish we could afford to hire as our coach. He's already done it all/ tried it all.

 

[phenominal34]

I have a feeling you’re gonna hit the wrong spot on your quad with that large needle and scare yourself off . Drop to a 27 gauge 1/2 inch insulin syringe and inject twice a week .8 ml in delts or pecs , as you can also see both and a lot less risk of that bad injection that will send spasms thru your leg etc . First cycle don’t add deca or Eq [emoji2361][emoji2361] stick with test . Also I agree add 2-4 weeks to your cycle , once you hot the peak phase your gonna be like man wish I had a few more weeks of test . Good luck

 

[Lilarnie]

First of all i (I... so this is IMHO) would have my estrogens blood checked...to predict aromatase activity..

Second...i would add some Deca Durabolin... maybe 200mg 2 x week...

Or Equipoise , to avoid complicating things with possible gyno...

in case you have high estrogens levels i would add a little of an aromatase inhibitor like Exemestane (aromasin... 25mg splitted in 2 taken Every third day)

and as you stated i would go for some
Tamox and or clomiphene during cycle as signs of high estrogens are seen

Third... i would add 500iu of HCG 3 x week to that pct program...

you mean 500iu of hcg a week during the cycle, Surely?

also someone is actually going with test only first cycle and your here recommending they immediately Throw in deca :/

 

[Oldschool]

you mean 500iu of hcg a week during the cycle, Surely?

also someone is actually going with test only first cycle and your here recommending they immediately Throw in deca :/

If you don’t bake protein powder cupcakes you’re a FAG!

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

you mean 500iu of hcg a week during the cycle, Surely?

also someone is actually going with test only first cycle and your here recommending they immediately Throw in deca :/

i meant as PCT ... where the P stands for “Post” ...

You already have Nandrolone in your body since it s an endogenous metabolite of your endo testosterone... Nandrolone is 19-NOR-Testosterone... anyway you can happily ignore that suggestion and use only Testosterone.. where is the problem... anyway Nandrolone is a mild compound.. like Boldenone (Equipoise is a long estered Boldn) so you should get only good feedbacks... Maybe better starting with Boldenone since you can safer discover if youre gyno prone

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

If you don’t bake protein powder cupcakes you’re a FAG!

i baked some Nandrolone and got some Tren... try something like 1g of raw NPP and bake it 10 mins at 130 C..

 

[Lilarnie]

i meant as PCT ... where the P stands for “Post” ...

You already have Nandrolone in your body since it s an endogenous metabolite of your endo testosterone... Nandrolone is 19-NOR-Testosterone... anyway you can happily ignore that suggestion and use only Testosterone.. where is the problem... anyway Nandrolone is a mild compound.. like Boldenone (Equipoise is a long estered Boldn) so you should get only good feedbacks... Maybe better starting with Boldenone since you can safer discover if youre gyno prone

I thought you must have made a typo. why would you use hcg during pct?

 

[Lilarnie]

If you don’t bake protein powder cupcakes you’re a FAG!

I would but I Accidentally threw my scales away and can’t go back through the trash in fear of sticking myself with your used nasty ass pins..

 

[Oldschool]

I would but I Accidentally threw my scales away and can’t go back through the trash in fear of sticking myself with your used nasty ass pins..

Haha. Pin that hcg between your prostate and your urethra. Faster absorption too. 22 gauge 1 inch needle works good. Can’t handle that just cut everything off south of your bladder and become a bitch. Would be a short and quick transition I’m sure.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Oh look...another instance of recommending a second compound to somebody on their FIRST CYCLE.

This place hasn’t changed much.

 

[Oldschool]

Oh look...another instance of recommending a second compound to somebody on their FIRST CYCLE.

This place hasn’t changed much.

He makes a mean cupcake.