Anxiety Medications. What has worked for you?

[Löwenzahn]

But obviously i Will take a small dose, 150mg 300mg like this, i don't Need to fell High, Just a relief for anxiety

Would be careful with Lyrica.

You could try stresam for a relatively short time frame as it beeing quite harsh on the liver in theory. If you live in the US, I would go with low dose nefazedone, minimal side effects due to it beeing a SNDRI.

Also some people find quite some relieve with sub therapeutic lithium.

 

[strangegenericguy]

Thanks guys, in advice in this Sector Is super well accepted

 

[jJjburton]

Thanks guys, in advice in this Sector Is super well accepted

I take gabapentin 300 mg 2-3 times a day…it works really nicely for anxiety… i have taken up to 1500 mg 1 year ago, but now yse it for litteral, debillitating anxiety…

To get a seizure from taking high dose pregabalin is different from normal dose gabapentin.

I cannot take benzos as i end up in jail, i cant manage low dose at all.

But gabapentin i can easily take a desired amount to lessen anxiety.

Also combined with caffeiene it is AMAZING at the gym, i crush my lifts, as it combines and give amazing strength increases…

 

[strangegenericguy]

I take gabapentin 300 mg 2-3 times a day…it works really nicely for anxiety… i have taken up to 1500 mg 1 year ago, but now yse it for litteral, debillitating anxiety…

To get a seizure from taking high dose pregabalin is different from normal dose gabapentin.

I cannot take benzos as i end up in jail, i cant manage low dose at all.

But gabapentin i can easily take a desired amount to lessen anxiety.

Also combined with caffeiene it is AMAZING at the gym, i crush my lifts, as it combines and give amazing strength increases

We talk in the past bro and you are Always One of the most helpfull members there Is these discussions, a big thank Is Always there for you, peace

 

[jJjburton]

Abused Lyrica many years ago, had two seizures from it. I don't have epilepsy, and never had seizures before, it was caused by pregabalin. Basically came back home from hospital, took another dosage and had a seizure again. Dosage was around 1200 mg. Take care.

Dude 1200 pregabalin is a STUPID high dose, holy crap

 

[strangegenericguy]

Dude 1200 pregabalin is a STUPID high dose, holy crap

It Is the typical dosage for people searching for High feeling, we definetely search for other things...

 

[Inspired]

No, i've used it for getting high. It makes you feel high and euphoric and you get motion problems. It's not an everyday getting shit done kind of drug. Wouldn't recommend for bodybuilders at all.

If I would have legit, diagnosed anxiety disorder, i would probably get on a lowdose long acting benzo and accept the addiction... would be probably smarter than getting addicted to pregabalin, but that's just my personal opinion.

The best benzo for this is clonazepam/klonopin but only at low doses (best is .25-.50mg occasionally or daily. Maybe 1mg here or there.) and only certain brands. For example, the Teva brand is the only one that works properly. The Teva one is pure clarity. Other brands make people depressed, angry, hungover, intoxicated, terrible etc. I don't know why that is, but the difference is so strong that it should make everyone cautious about even using these medications due to the unpredictability in formulations and the different supply availabilities.

If you get on a bad brand of clonazepam and use the wrong dosages, it can turn you into a different person and it can really hurt your life. The good brand at the good dosage......can enhance your life.

But I recommend everyone avoid taking these medications if they don't have too. It's good to have some on hand just in case you may feel you need it, but overall, there are better ways.

And SSRI's like Lexapro work amazingly well for anxiety and should be tried, temporarily, but those medications are dangerous too. I wouldn't take them for very long.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

Dude 1200 pregabalin is a STUPID high dose, holy crap

This is a stupid high dose. I actually take pregabalin for gad. I dropped from 600 to 450 this last month.

 

[MarkusMcGuire]

The best benzo for this is clonazepam/klonopin but only at low doses (best is .25-.50mg occasionally or daily. Maybe 1mg here or there.) and only certain brands. For example, the Teva brand is the only one that works properly. The Teva one is pure clarity. Other brands make people depressed, angry, hungover, intoxicated, terrible etc. I don't know why that is, but the difference is so strong that it should make everyone cautious about even using these medications due to the unpredictability in formulations and the different supply availabilities.

If you get on a bad brand of clonazepam and use the wrong dosages, it can turn you into a different person and it can really hurt your life. The good brand at the good dosage......can enhance your life.

But I recommend everyone avoid taking these medications if they don't have too. It's good to have some on hand just in case you may feel you need it, but overall, there are better ways.

And SSRI's like Lexapro work amazingly well for anxiety and should be tried, temporarily, but those medications are dangerous too. I wouldn't take them for very long.

All meds come with their issues and side effects, some worse than others. It took my doctor years to find a combination that worked for me that wasn't addictive such as a benzo, or a narcotic like gabapentin. We finally landed on mirtazapine for sleep and low dose buspar during the day. The real trick is that you have to address the issues that give you anxiety because meds only treat symptoms. For me it involves just doing the things that give me anxiety. Now if we're talking about anxiety due to AAS.... again I will refer to the mirtazapine/buspar combo. Hope this helps

 

[Country Club Hero]

I’ve started messing with the liquid bennzo market where they take the most popular benzo formulas and make them a liquid for research purposes.

Still trying to find the closest one to klonopin with some added euphoria and I never use daily. I try to keep it for when I really need it which is only 2-3 days a week. I feel bad for the people that legit need that stuff every day.

I also found I use more often in winter when the weather plays a role in mental health. I am miserable on short, dark, wet, winter days.

 

[Jin23]

This is a stupid high dose. I actually take pregabalin for gad. I dropped from 600 to 450 this last month.

600 is also a high dose. How has it worked for you long term? You saw no need for upping the dose and how come you had to lower it? That's pretty untypical for anxiolytics unless you're still finding your minimum required dose ...

 

[readalot]

Yes, you're an idiot if you believe there are non-addictive benzos.

Guys and gals please dont think there are non addictive benzos. Just some less than others. The medium and longer t1/2 ones counterintuitively have the lower addiction and rebound risk. I will post more on this when I can. Awesome job @Inspired . Quality info.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-0404.2008.01004.x

See section labeled Withdrawal.

...
Numerous reports have identified certain predictors of the occurrence or increased severity of withdrawal symptoms: higher BZD dose (200–204), longer duration of BZD use (202, 203, 205, 206), immediate cessation or rapid tapering of the BZD dose (200, 203, 204, 207–209), history of drug abuse (202, 203), dependence on other drugs (209), personality pathology (e.g. neuroticism and dependency) (203) and a diagnosis of panic disorder (203). A number of studies have investigated withdrawal symptoms associated with the BZDs reviewed herein. Some reports have suggested that BZD t1/2 does not influence withdrawal symptoms (208, 210). However, results from other studies have suggested that, compared with long-t1/2 BZDs, BZDs with short t1/2 are associated with faster onset of withdrawal symptoms or more severe withdrawal symptoms when BZD therapy is stopped abruptly (211, 212). In a meta-analysis of seven studies, Hallfors and Saxe (213) found that patients treated with short-t1/2 BZDs were more likely to experience rebound anxiety than were patients treated with long-t1/2 BZDs. Additionally, rebound anxiety was noted to develop more rapidly in patients treated with short-t1/2 BZDs than in patients treated with long-t1/2 BZDs. Finally, results from sleep laboratory studies suggest that rebound insomnia and withdrawal symptoms are more likely to be associated with BZDs that have a short or intermediate t1/2 than with BZDs that have a longer t1/2, such as diazepam (214).

 

[strangegenericguy]

Guys and gals please dont think there are non addictive benzos. Just some less than others. The medium and longer t1/2 ones counterintuitively have the lower addiction and rebound risk. I will post more on this when I can. Awesome job @Inspired . Quality info.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-0404.2008.01004.x

See section labeled Withdrawal.

I Just want to give an info to everyone, It Is so curious and It has to let people think...in my country benzos are in drugs table, the law that they use to put people in the jail, think about how they can be addictive and why the try to protect you to not use them recreationally and even with medical use people have to be very careful using them...don't ruin your Life guys
...PEACE!

 

[Jin23]

Guys and gals please dont think there are non addictive benzos. Just some less than others. The medium and longer t1/2 ones counterintuitively have the lower addiction and rebound risk. I will post more on this when I can. Awesome job @Inspired . Quality info.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-0404.2008.01004.x

I don't think anybody here actually thinks BZD's can be non habit forming but kudos for stressing this out. The aas community's proclivity for searching quick solutions to a problem in a fast (direct) acting pill form, does indeed make everybody that much more likely to self prescribe gaba agonists or neuroleptics like gabapentinoids. I (as other members) have stressed the issue of using pregabalin for anxiety numerous time on the pages of meso. Anxiety and aas use have a strong positive correlation, which nobody really wants to acknowledge. The only viable long term solution is going to be something that regulates the HPA axis, calms down the amygdala, restores hippocampal volume, and it should lower excitatory neurotransmission, which is chronically elevated with aas use. SSRI's are excellent at this particular job, however unfortunately the reduction in executive functions control is for some quite noticeable. But, those are some sacrifices one should consider to make if muscle size is such a big life priority. Using something that modulates the glutamate elevations seen in aas use like lamotrigine is also an option, as besides regulating excitatory neurotransmission it to elevates BDNF. But newer AP's like cariprazine, which is a partial D3 and then D2 agonist is also on paper an intriguing idea. But for those who are afraid to touch psych drugs, going after inflammation might be the best option. Here I usually recommend inducing NRF2 via a good sulforaphane supp (Prostaphane - BROX) as the benefits are actually easily observable.

The shorter HL ones, specifically in the absorption phase, do have a higher addiction profile and longer HL BZD's are used to wean patients off of "shorter" ones, so again great you stressed this point too.

Fellas, anxiolytics are not the answer. If you've been cycling for a long time, chances are you've already induced a lot of morphological changes to your HPA axis and your primary goal should be to restore it's normal function. Dealing with anxiety directly while your HPA axis is dysregulated makes little to no sense as all the stressors which would normally provoke a low stress response are now heightened. Not to mention the detrimental effect of a hyperactive amygdala on the prefrontal cortex! And for the love of god, if you have crippling anxiety, which is defining your day to day, go to a true TRT dose for some time, regulate your HPA axis (you'll know when this happens, your state of mind/being will be 180 from your normal delusional, hyperexcitable state) and then slowly re-think your approach to aas.

 

[readalot]

I don't think anybody here actually thinks BZD's can be non habit forming but kudos for stressing this out. The aas community's proclivity for searching quick solutions to a problem in a fast (direct) acting pill form, does indeed make everybody that much more likely to self prescribe gaba agonists or neuroleptics like gabapentinoids. I (as other members) have stressed the issue of using pregabalin for anxiety numerous time on the pages of meso. Anxiety and aas use have a strong positive correlation, which nobody really wants to acknowledge. The only viable long term solution is going to be something that regulates the HPA axis, calms down the amygdala, restores hippocampal volume, and it should lower excitatory neurotransmission, which is chronically elevated with aas use. SSRI's are excellent at this particular job, however unfortunately the reduction in executive functions control is for some quite noticeable. But, those are some sacrifices one should consider to make if muscle size is such a big life priority. Using something that modulates the glutamate elevations seen in aas use like lamotrigine is also an option, as besides regulating excitatory neurotransmission it to elevates BDNF. But newer AP's like cariprazine, which is a partial D3 and then D2 agonist is also on paper an intriguing idea. But for those who are afraid to touch psych drugs, going after inflammation might be the best option. Here I usually recommend inducing NRF2 via a good sulforaphane supp (Prostaphane - BROX) as the benefits are actually easily observable.

The shorter HL ones, specifically in the absorption phase, do have a higher addiction profile and longer HL BZD's are used to wean patients off of "shorter" ones, so again great you stressed this point too.

Fellas, anxiolytics are not the answer. If you've been cycling for a long time, chances are you've already induced a lot of morphological changes to your HPA axis and your primary goal should be to restore it's normal function. Dealing with anxiety directly while your HPA axis is dysregulated makes little to no sense as all the stressors which would normally provoke a low stress response are now heightened. Not to mention the detrimental effect of a hyperactive amygdala on the prefrontal cortex! And for the love of god, if you have crippling anxiety, which is defining your day to day, go to a true TRT dose for some time, regulate your HPA axis (you'll know when this happens, your state of mind/being will be 180 from your normal delusional, hyperexcitable state) and then slowly re-think your approach to aas.

Thanks for taking the time to post that info. Unbelievable post. Wow.

Pyrazolam, if you can get hold of it, is all you'll need. Yes, it's a benzo. No, it's not addictive (look it up, also from personal experience of having taken it twice a day for two years, then being unable to get hold of it after brexit and having zero withdrawals)

I don't think anybody here actually thinks BZD's can be non habit forming but kudos for stressing this out.

See above quotation. Ok maybe at least one.

Nice review article:

‘New/Designer Benzodiazepines’: An Analysis of the Literature and Psychonauts’ Trip Reports - PMC

NPS belonging to the benzodiazepine (BZD) class, e.g., ‘legal/designer BZDs’/‘research chemicals’, have recently emerged in the drug (mainly online/virtual) market. While certain NPS belonging to the BZD class possess pharmacological profiles ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

By the way your avatar is a great "guru" pic.

 

[Jin23]

See above quotation. Ok maybe at least one.

Yeah, ...

Nice review article:

‘New/Designer Benzodiazepines’: An Analysis of the Literature and Psychonauts’ Trip Reports - PMC

NPS belonging to the benzodiazepine (BZD) class, e.g., ‘legal/designer BZDs’/‘research chemicals’, have recently emerged in the drug (mainly online/virtual) market. While certain NPS belonging to the BZD class possess pharmacological profiles ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

These things are a huge threat, mostly because they can easily be bought on the clear net by kids who have no or little idea what they're doing. Being a parent these days must be quite scary.

By the way your avatar is a great "guru" pic.

Hehe that's Twentythree.

 

[jJjburton]

All meds come with their issues and side effects, some worse than others. It took my doctor years to find a combination that worked for me that wasn't addictive such as a benzo, or a narcotic like gabapentin. We finally landed on mirtazapine for sleep and low dose buspar during the day. The real trick is that you have to address the issues that give you anxiety because meds only treat symptoms. For me it involves just doing the things that give me anxiety. Now if we're talking about anxiety due to AAS.... again I will refer to the mirtazapine/buspar combo. Hope this helps

Gabapentin is not a narcotic….i dont believe so…

 

[MarkusMcGuire]

Gabapentin is not a narcotic….i dont believe so…

It definitely is. It was rescheduled sometime in the past couple of years. I work at a behavioral health center and it is on our list of both addictive substances and narcotics. Be careful with that stuff.

 

[jJjburton]

FYI L-Theanine….it is amazing for some of these things

 

[MarkusMcGuire]

It definitely is. It was rescheduled sometime in the past couple of years. I work at a behavioral health center and it is on our list of both addictive substances and narcotics. Be careful with that stuff.

Apologies, I just looked it up and it is only classified as a schedule five controlled substance in certain states, mine being one of them. It is not an opiate but can be mildly addictive.