Lot of it frankly is also fat storage genetics. Some guys can be 15% and you can see surprising level of detail in their abs, and they won’t have love handles, but then will store more fat in their limbs. Others can be same bf level, and their midsection is totally washed out, and they have stubborn love handles, but maybe they hold less fat in their neck, face, and limbs. Just mentioning this because it’s often glossed over
