Anyone ever blasted HCG at very high doses for muscle growth ??? Will this be a good method of mimicking a low dose Test cycle ??

[Tr3nbal0n3]

What’s up guys. I have been training since I was 15. I am 24 now. I’ve never used any gear in my life. And I can’t build any more muscle for fuck. I’ve tried many different programs and powerlifting and hypertrophy style routines. I’ve done everything possible and I’m stuck here. I got myself strong for a natural 335x1 bench, 405x1 dead, 3 plate weighted dips x2. But I’m stuck and can’t get any stronger or bigger. I just want like 5 - 10 more pounds of muscle and I’d be cool with that. Build my arms and shoulders a bit more.

I’ve have only done drugs to help me through aggressive cuts. Clen, Dnp, Carderine, Semaglutide, Enclomiphine, inject Carnitine, and two very short cycles of sarms that I ended up discontinuing out of fear of fucking up my Hpta. I’ve never used Testosterone or any gear. I got myself super lean and I’m happy with it. But I can’t build anymore muscle for fuck. I want to hop on Testosterone so bad but I don’t do it because I don’t wanna shut my balls down and potentially need trt or have trouble with making a baby one day.

I’ve been thinking instead of getting on Testosterone and taking that risk, I’ll just absolutely blast the fuck out of HCG and Enclomiphene. Maybe 25mg Enclomiphine stacked with 6000iu HCG per week. This would be more than enough to push my natural Testosterone levels beyond Supra-physiological levels. And maybe throw in 1iu of GH or 10mg of MK677 to offset the IGF1 suppression from the Enclomiphene. And keep some Nolvadex on hand for estrogen control.
Does anybody have any experience or knowledge on this ?? If so, I’m interested in knowing how it went for you and if it would even be effective for muscle building if I blasted HCG.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

What’s up guys. I have been training since I was 15. I am 24 now. I’ve never used any gear in my life. And I can’t build any more muscle for fuck. I’ve tried many different programs and powerlifting and hypertrophy style routines. I’ve done everything possible and I’m stuck here. I got myself strong for a natural 335x1 bench, 405x1 dead, 3 plate weighted dips x2. But I’m stuck and can’t get any stronger or bigger. I just want like 5 - 10 more pounds of muscle and I’d be cool with that. Build my arms and shoulders a bit more.

I’ve have only done drugs to help me through aggressive cuts. Clen, Dnp, Carderine, Semaglutide, Enclomiphine, inject Carnitine, and two very short cycles of sarms that I ended up discontinuing out of fear of fucking up my Hpta. I’ve never used Testosterone or any gear. I got myself super lean and I’m happy with it. But I can’t build anymore muscle for fuck. I want to hop on Testosterone so bad but I don’t do it because I don’t wanna shut my balls down and potentially need trt or have trouble with making a baby one day.

I’ve been thinking instead of getting on Testosterone and taking that risk, I’ll just absolutely blast the fuck out of HCG and Enclomiphene. Maybe 25mg Enclomiphine stacked with 6000iu HCG per week. This would be more than enough to push my natural Testosterone levels beyond Supra-physiological levels. And maybe throw in 1iu of GH or 10mg of MK677 to offset the IGF1 suppression from the Enclomiphene. And keep some Nolvadex on hand for estrogen control.
Does anybody have any experience or knowledge on this ?? If so, I’m interested in knowing how it went for you and if it would even be effective for muscle building if I blasted HCG.

There’s really not much data on whether

1. The increase in testosterone from HCG or Enclomiphene (especially this) has a clinically significant benefit. There’s a big difference going from 600 natty to 1200 from exogenous T, is the same for HCG which has natural fluctuations and is frankly harder to control from an other hormones perspective?

2. Whether redlining your balls by screaming at them to create more is good for them either.

I struggled with this for a while. I think the correct decision is either stay natty, or check your sperm count, freeze sperm, and recognize that things have gotten to a point that barring issues prior you can almost always regain fertility.

I chose option number 2, but there’s no reason you do too.

As an aside, that 5-10 pounds won’t solve your issue. In 5-10 lbs, you’ll want another 5-10 lbs, I promise you.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Literally anything to avoid being smart and safe with test.

Almost certainly will not get test high enough over physiological range to matter. Do you even have bloodwork?

 

[DugPrime]

Are you allergic to test?

 

[Tr3nbal0n3]

Literally anything to avoid being smart and safe with test.

Almost certainly will not get test high enough over physiological range to matter. Do you even have bloodwork?

Are you allergic to test?

No I am just a paranoid fuck who thinks that ill be the 1 out of 1000 people who won’t be able to recover after coming off Testosterone which probably wouldn’t even be the case, so I’m trying to come up with other ideas to keep progressing in the gym lol.

 

[vapor77]

No I am just a paranoid fuck who thinks that ill be the 1 out of 1000 people who won’t be able to recover after coming off Testosterone which probably wouldn’t even be the case, so I’m trying to come up with other ideas to keep progressing in the gym lol.

You'll take a drug that has plenty of studies showing it causes cancer and another that is a pesticide that has the potential to cook your insides but you are paranoid about injecting a bio identical hormone with decades of safe use studies...

 

[kosp]

You will most likely recover from your first 12-week-only test cycle. The real challenge comes after years of cycling.

Keep in mind that once you complete a full cycle, the psychological urge to go back is always there. I’ve done three or four cycles over the past ten years, and now, after being completely off everything for two years, I still miss it.

It’s a constant battle between me and myself to resist doing it again.

 

[cargin]

You will most likely recover from your first 12-week-only test cycle. The real challenge comes after years of cycling.

Keep in mind that once you complete a full cycle, the psychological urge to go back is always there. I’ve done three or four cycles over the past ten years, and now, after being completely off everything for two years, I still miss it.

It’s a constant battle between me and myself to resist doing it again.

I am also considering beginning a first cycle but this is one of my largest concerns as I have a somewhat addictive personality. Where does the urge come from? From the desire to continue getting bigger or from the way you emotionally felt while pumped full of androgens?

 

[dinfar1337]

Are you allergic to test?

whats this solution option as soon as i go onto the first page of the thread this is funny as hell

 

[Ouch]

1. I don’t believe you when you say "you’ve done everything possible” and you can’t grow anymore. Unless you have some sort of medical issue causing low T for a mid 20yr old.

This reads more like “I work out a lot, I have plateaued (temporarily), and now I want to see what a cycle feels like and stop efforting so hard for only a few more lbs of muscle…but don’t want to lose my natty card.”

I’d want to see a real journal on your nutrient intake and major lifts progress over time be analyzed before making this declaration.

2. Do you want to grow tits? Because that’s what will happen blasting giant doses of hcg for a long period of time. The counter to this physiological effect will necessitate large doses of AI, which, in turn, will make you feel god awful. Thereby ruining your whole plan to begin with.

 

[Dunkirk]

Ignore everyone. Do it. Be the community test subject and let us know how it goes. Problem solved.

 

[Mrhairyman]

Test is your friend

 

[Wolf7]

Surely the answer is test and HCG? Run like 300 test and 2 lots of 250hcg. Enjoy the test and keep your balls on. Problem solved.

 

[kosp]

I am also considering beginning a first cycle but this is one of my largest concerns as I have a somewhat addictive personality. Where does the urge come from? From the desire to continue getting bigger or from the way you emotionally felt while pumped full of androgens?

Emotionally? Not that much, to be honest. Of course, you do feel very vigorous and confident, you're literally a walking rock, with hard muscles growing at an incredible pace 24/7.

There's also that feeling of disconnecting from the world just to focus on yourself and do your thing, if you're into that.

People around you notice it quickly, you’ll be seen as a beast at the bar, probably get more instant respect. The feeling of training is insane...

I don’t know, man, it’s just FUN, and you always want to go back to the fun.

But then again, it can also get exhausting, and the list of downsides is way too long, life´s going to get in the way and this is going to be the last shit that you actually don´t need to do.

What I would tell my past self before first cycle: Don´t do it. There are countless better and more productive things to do with your TIME and MONEY.

 

[CorgisOnTren]

Where does the urge come from?

… seriously?

 

[Liter O' Test]

steroids arent for everybody. seriously people need to think about this with all the popularity lately

 

[dinfar1337]

steroids arent for everybody. seriously people need to think about this with all the popularity lately

i totally agree, but for the community i think its absolute amazing theres so much stuff about it online now.

 

[cargin]

Emotionally? Not that much, to be honest. Of course, you do feel very vigorous and confident, you're literally a walking rock, with hard muscles growing at an incredible pace 24/7.

There's also that feeling of disconnecting from the world just to focus on yourself and do your thing, if you're into that.

People around you notice it quickly, you’ll be seen as a beast at the bar, probably get more instant respect. The feeling of training is insane...

I don’t know, man, it’s just FUN, and you always want to go back to the fun.

But then again, it can also get exhausting, and the list of downsides is way too long, life´s going to get in the way and this is going to be the last shit that you actually don´t need to do.

What I would tell my past self before first cycle: Don´t do it. There are countless better and more productive things to do with your TIME and MONEY

This hits home for me. Lot of people saying I shouldn't do a first cycle because I'm not old enough, big enough, consistent enough etc but that applies to anyone, there's always room to improve personally before taking a shortcut and there's always a ceiling to how much time and willpower one can dedicate before a short cut makes sense. But what really does resonate with me is the long and short term risks, and relative lack of overt benefit that I'd receive. I could readily justify taking GLP-1 medication since I'd reached a ceiling of willpower I could willingly dedicate to my diet without sacrificing that willpower from other portions of my life, and the risk/reward made sense in terms of not being overweight and the relative boost of attractiveness that weight loss provides. I don't think more muscle would make me that much more attractive so the much greater risks over Tirzepatide are hard to justify. Whereas I think losing weight has made a huge impact on how attractive I am.