Are International Sources Untouchable? The Long-Arm of U.S. Steroid Law Enforcement

[Millard]

being extradited is a real possibility

I thought this was an interesting topic raised in another discussion that deserved its own dedicated thread...

The U.S. has had limited success with extradition involving international AAS sources. To the best of my knowledge, in the past 10 years, the U.S. has successfully extradited 4 individuals in AAS distribution cases - 2 with British Dragon and 2 with Musclebear.

They've been trying to extradite a 5th - Brian Wainstein with Axio Labs - from South Africa for over 2 years; as far as I can tell, Wainstein remains in South Africa. I think the feds may have succeeded in extraditing his wife from the UK but I'm not certain.

They tried to extradite a 6th - Mihael Karner with Asia Pharma - from Austria while he was in custody before he embarrassingly escaped custody and went to Slovenia; POTUS Obama designated Karner as a "Significant Foreign Narcotics Trafficker" or "kingpin" under the Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act.

Two years later, Karner is apparently still conducting business as usual. The Musclebear guys served their prison sentence on U.S. soil, were deported back to Ukraine, and apparently returned to business as usual as well.

 

[Maktub]

I always wonder about those sources in
Moldova or Asia ? Can they get hit?

 

[Masters Power]

Depending on the country they are in I would say some are virtually untouchable. I wouldn't however want to be a US reseller for any of the larger international operations as I could easily see these guys having a large target on their backs.

 

[MindlessWork]

Depending on the country they are in I would say some are virtually untouchable. I wouldn't however want to be a US reseller for any of the larger international operations as I could easily see these guys having a large target on their backs.

Yes, if the US has an extradition treaty in place with the particular country then US LE will have the right to request the arrest and extradition of said person.

 

[jaymaximus]

Interesting. This is a subject ben, apeshit, and myself have been in on recently. I think a lot of foreign labs think they cant be touched, and maybe they cant. But yes, that means their domestic resellers might get their years...

 

[Maktub]

Besides China & Moldo ,what other country's don't play along with U.S. laws

 

[Millard]

List of United States extradition treaties

Interactive Guardian guide to extradition

 

[heady muscle]

ONE WORLD ONE LOVE NO STEROIDS. Let's get together and feel alright!

 

[Maktub]

I always wonder why central ,south and even Mexico play always with USA rules ?

No independence at all.

You guys think that it can be a benefit that Mexicans cartels get involve in the aas industry?
Or can get even worse ?

 

[Millard]

I wouldn't however want to be a US reseller for any of the larger international operations as I could easily see these guys having a large target on their backs.

Domestic remailers are a huge Achilles' heal for international sources. Feds use them to help them to acquire valuable information. REad the following to see what the domestic remailers gave up on their overseas bosses to the feds:

MuscleBear Busted: How the United States Apprehended an International Steroid Source

Sciroxx – Long-Arm of Steroid Law Enforcement Takes Interest

 

[Millard]

I always wonder why central ,south and even Mexico play always with USA rules ?

They don't. Mexico refused to extradite El Chapo. US said he would escape Mexican prison if he wasn't extradited. And he did.

 

[Millard]

You guys think that it can be a benefit that Mexicans cartels get involve in the aas industry?
Or can get even worse ?

There's no market for them. It's just too easy for any individual to import a few hundred grams of powder from China, start brewing some gear, call themselves a UGL and start selling on the internet.

 

[MindlessWork]

I always wonder why central ,south and even Mexico play always with USA rules ?

No independence at all.

You guys think that it can be a benefit that Mexicans cartels get involve in the aas industry?
Or can get even worse ?

I would not be surprised if the Mexican cartels diversify from weed and narcotics and start dealing in AAS. Wouldn't that become a big headache for the USA?

 

[Maktub]

Chapo is a different story than a regular aas dealer.

Chapo high profile for Mexican authorities .
he has so many info about governors , senators and presidents that had helped him in the past .
Of
Course as a Mexican president you don't want that info to come out to light.

 

[Maktub]

There's no market for them. It's just too easy for any individual to import a few hundred grams of powder from China, start brewing some gear, call themselves a UGL and start selling on the internet.

If importing some hundres of raws make money ;Now imagine bringing some kilos down the border !
Maybe not forming an ugl
But a provider of the raws .

 

[Millard]

Chapo is a different story than a regular aas dealer.

How about Austria? Austria has a MLAT with US. They arrested Karner at the request of the DEA with the knowledge the US wanted to extradite him. But they let him go on 1 million euro bail and he fled to Slovenia.

Slovenia? they have a MLAT with US. I don't think Slovenia did anything to help the US.

 

[Millard]

If importing some hundres of raws make money ;Now imagine bringing some kilos down the border !
Maybe not forming an ugl
But a provider of the raws .

I don't see it. A wholesale US street value of $20,000 for a kilo of cocaine and $25,000 for a kilo of meth versus a kilo of AAS powder?

 

[Millard]

Besides China & Moldo ,what other country's don't play along with U.S. laws

Don't forget, China is supposedly playing along with U.S. law now - at least according to WADA:

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2015-09/wada-and-china-sign-ground-breaking-agreement-to-eliminate-illegal-manufacture

I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Masters Power]

Don't forget, China is supposedly playing along with U.S. law now - at least according to WADA:

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2015-09/wada-and-china-sign-ground-breaking-agreement-to-eliminate-illegal-manufacture

I wouldn't count on it.

Only if they forgot to pay the Chinese government the unofficial tariffs.

 

[MindlessWork]

If importing some hundres of raws make money ;Now imagine bringing some kilos down the border !
Maybe not forming an ugl
But a provider of the raws .

Exactly this is what they could do IMO.