Are you ok with Muslim refugees moving in next to you in the US?

You refer to statistics a lot but do not provide any... Also, what facts?


I like to call myself a realist as well. And you are concerned that Muslims will be roaming the streets of America and chop people's heads off or suicide bombing will be a common thing here in the United States?

The main thing I don't agree is how you guys are saying that Muslims are bad people. I feel that is a very ignorant and unfair thing to say. Secondly, that Islam is a violent religion. There are good and bad things with all religions. But I don't know, I have personal experience from having Muslim friends and you have your TV and internet. :)
I don't pretend all Muslims are bad people or that all emams (sp) preach death to the westerners, but i think there are enough in those regions to second guess importing mass amounts of refugees from said regions. And, as i stated earlier, our top inteligence officials agree.
 
After living in Asia and traveling to Malaysia and Indonesia regularly. I only had good encounters over the years. It's not the Muslims that are the problem it's the radicalized Islam and fundamentalist who are making life terrible for everyone else Muslim and non Muslim alike.
 
From January 2016 - a Somalian female who moved to Sweden.

(BTW, this kind of article is not to be found published in Sweden - it's against the law there to write anything negative about Muslims - the liberal straitjacket is worn tight.)
Ex-Muslim: Koran Revealed a Religion I Did Not Like

GOTHENBURG, Sweden -- Mona Walter is on a mission. Her mission is for more Muslims to know what is in the Koran. She says if more Muslims knew what was in the Koran, more would leave Islam.
Walter came to Sweden from Somalia as a war refugee when she was 19. She says she was excited about joining a modern European nation with equal rights for women. But as a young Muslim woman, that was not the Sweden she encountered.

A Real Introduction to Islam
It was in Sweden that she first experienced radical Islam on a daily basis.
"I discovered Islam first in Sweden. In Somalia, you're just a Muslim, without knowing the Koran. But then you come to Sweden and you go to mosque and there is the Koran, so you have to cover yourself and you have to be a good Muslim."
Walter says she grew up in Somalia never having read the Koran.
"I didn't know what I was a part of. I didn't know who Mohammed was. I didn't know who Allah was. So, when I found out, I was upset. I was sad and I was disappointed," she recalled.
And it was in Sweden that Walters says she discovered Allah is a god who hates, and that Islam is not a religion of peace.
"It's about hating and killing those who disagree with Islam. It's about conquering. Mohammed, he was immoral. He was a bloodthirsty man. He was terrible man, and Muslims can read that in his biography -- what he did to Jews, how he raped women, how he killed people. I mean, he killed everyone who didn't agree with him," she explained.
Discouraged, Walter left Islam and became an atheist, until one day a family member encouraged her to read the Bible. She still remembers the first time she read Matthew 5:44, where Jesus said to "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."

Christianity, a New Perspective
"It was very strange for me to 'love your enemy,' because in Islam it is 'kill your enemy.' 'Kill your enemy and anyone who refuses Islam.' But Jesus Christ was all about love and peace and forgiveness and tolerance, and for some reason, I needed that," she said.
She went to see Pastor Fouad Rasho of Angered Alliance Church, a Syrian immigrant who ministers to former Muslims in Sweden.
"She started to believe and she came to me. And that was the beginning of her trusting," he said.
When she accepted Christ, Walter said she felt "so happy" and "filled with joy."
Walter says the Lord gave her a burden for Muslims who still do not know the truth about Islam. And she began to study the Koran, and began copying verses from the Koran and handing them out on the street to Muslim women.

Rescuing Muslims with Truth
"Sometimes they listen and sometimes they become very upset, and I tell them, 'You know your husband has a right to beat you if you don't obey him?' And they say 'No, It does not say that.' 'Yes, it does say that.' I thought if I tell them about Muhammed and about the Koran and about this god of Islam who hates, who kills, who discriminates against women, maybe they will have a choice and leave," she explained.
But in politically correct Sweden, Walter has come under attack for simply repeating what is in the Koran.
"I've been called an 'Islamophobe,' and yeah [they tell me], 'You've been bought,' 'You're a house nigger,' and stuff like that, terrible things, " she said.
She has also been called a racist. Walter warns that Islamic radicalism is a serious threat in Sweden, and says Swedish society should care more about women trapped in Islam.
"[Swedes] will think, 'Oh, we're in Sweden; we have freedom of religion,' but Muslim women don't have freedom of religion. They live under the law of Allah, not under Swedish law. So they will suppose everyone has freedom of religion. We don't have freedom of religion. It's not for Muslim women. It's for everyone else," Walter argued.
Walter lives under death threats and sometimes travels with police protection. She wanted to show us Muslim areas around Gothenburg, but had to first dress as a Muslim. She believes if she were to show her face, she would be attacked.
"I can never go to those areas just being me, flesh and blood Mona. I would never get out of there alive," she said.
"I mean, Muslims are normally good people like everyone else," she continued. "But then when they read the Koran, then they become a killing machine."
"This so-called ISIS or el Shabab or Boko Haram, they're not like extremists. They're not fanatical. They're just good Muslims, good Muslims who follow the teachings of Islam. The prophet Mohammed, he did that. They're doing what he did," she explained.
Walter now uses videos and speaking appearances to spread her message. And she says she won't stop, even though her life is in danger.

Ex-Muslim: Koran Revealed a Religion I Did Not Like
 
After living in Asia and traveling to Malaysia and Indonesia regularly. I only had good encounters over the years. It's not the Muslims that are the problem it's the radicalized Islam and fundamentalist who are making life terrible for everyone else Muslim and non Muslim alike.

The problem is that the religion is controlled by fundamentalists - and that fundamentalism is revered and espoused by the religious leaders.

Here's how tolerant those countries are:

Indonesia Google

Malaysia Google

I've been in those countries too - and I have (ethnic Chinese) friends in Kuala Lumpur who tell me how it's getting progressively worse and worse with more hassles from the gov't if you're not a good (Muslim) Bumi - and more Muslim "accommodation" regulations for businesses.
 
Take a look at this - stats from 2007 - pay attention to how (as the Muslim percentage of population increases) the country becomes a hell-hole that no sane person would like to visit.
" Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’ When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table.

Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)):



From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
Okay so those are your facts? I have personal experience from Sweden, having lived there for over a decade. In 2007, if the population was 5%, which I would have no clue on how the hell they would even get that number. Because you see in Sweden they do not do any kind of religious or racial polls or any kind of a census to map the population and their ethnicity...

So I know one thing for a fact, the CIA's prediction and statistics from Sweden is wrong. One of the large food chains "Ica" Mat, recept & smarta tjänster för en enklare vardag | ICA doesn't have anything regarding halal food if you search in the search bar on their site.

Globalsök | ICA

And bear in mind, that was 2007, Sweden's Muslim population has grown a lot so the CIA's prediction chart is totally inaccurate for Sweden. I was in Italy last year and didn't remember anything suspicious about their Muslim population. You figure that the CIA's World Fact Book would be accurate but perhaps it's not. I can't speak from experience on all the other countries on the list.

Just because I know for a fact that they are wrong on Sweden should I disregard the whole list and their little prediction thing? Yes, would be inclined to do so.

It amazes me the shit you read and believe.
 

We're not saying all Muslims are "bad" people - at least I'm not - we're saying that Islam as such is an inherently oppressive, intolerant, and belligerent "religion" (it's actually a comprehensive socio-econo-political and judicial system) that is utterly incompatible with modern western societies.

Take a look at this - stats from 2007 - pay attention to how (as the Muslim percentage of population increases) the country becomes a hell-hole that no sane person would like to visit.

We're still OK in the US, because the Muslim count is fairly low.

" Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’ When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table.

Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)):



As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%



At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:


Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%



From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%


At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.


When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).


Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%



After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%



At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:


Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%



From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:


Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%



After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:


Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%



100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:


Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
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Those stats show possible association not causation. Do you have anything to prove causation?
 
From January 2016 - a Somalian female who moved to Sweden.

(BTW, this kind of article is not to be found published in Sweden - it's against the law there to write anything negative about Muslims - the liberal straitjacket is worn tight.)
Ex-Muslim: Koran Revealed a Religion I Did Not Like

It's funny you bring Sweden up. You are wrong as well, there are two major newspapers, Expressen and Aftonbladet. Here is an article that compares Islam with Nazis.
"Islam är som nazism"
So I guess that is not correct either. I know you don't read Swedish but you can at least understand the words Islam and Nazi..

What do you like know? Like really? Do you have any facts?
 
After living in Asia and traveling to Malaysia and Indonesia regularly. I only had good encounters over the years. It's not the Muslims that are the problem it's the radicalized Islam and fundamentalist who are making life terrible for everyone else Muslim and non Muslim alike.
A white friend of mine goes to Indonesia every couple months, and Indonesia is considered one of the highest % population Islam. He doesn't get killed or anything. He has a tattoo of a crucifix on him as well.
 
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Those stats show possible association not causation. Do you have anything to prove causation?

Come on, the FDA has approved drugs with far weaker correlation. :-)

We're walking into sociology here, so causation isn't exactly provable.

If you cannot see the trend in what takes place as Muslim percentages grow, and correlate that with world affairs, I can't help you.

And pointing out the vitriol coming from the imams doesn't seem to register either.

One thing is for sure, where there are zero Muslims there is no terrorism. So there's that.
 
It's funny you bring Sweden up. You are wrong as well, there are two major newspapers, Expressen and Aftonbladet. Here is an article that compares Islam with Nazis.
"Islam är som nazism"
So I guess that is not correct either. I know you don't read Swedish but you can at least understand the words Islam and Nazi..

What do you like know? Like really? Do you have any facts?

That explains it.... you're Swedish! There are no people around more pigheaded (pardon the expression in this context) in their beliefs than Swedes.

Ha ha - and I actually do read Swedish, quite well actually. I am keenly aware of the lack of freedom of speech in Sweden.

The article you reference actually strengthens my point - it's a nasty piece of writing trying to corner a Swedish guy who dared critique Islam. It's a rabid suppression piece. Good job sending me an article that supports my position.


A white friend of mine goes to Indonesia every couple months, and Indonesia is considered one of the highest % population Islam. He doesn't get killed or anything. He has a tattoo of a crucifix on him as well.

And I'm sure he goes to Bali - one of few areas in Indonesia with next to no Muslims.

Why don't you explain all the problems you have with Mussies in Sweden?

Here's a search for Muslim riots Sweden :
Muslim riots Sweden - Google Search
Why do you want us in the US to take on these animals?
 
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That explains it.... you're Swedish! There are no people around more pigheaded (pardon the expression in this context) in their beliefs than Swedes.

Ha ha - and I actually do read Swedish, quite well actually. I am keenly aware of the lack of freedom of speech in Sweden.

The article you reference actually strengthens my point - it's a nasty piece of writing trying to corner a Swedish guy who dared critique Islam. It's a rabid suppression piece. Good job sending me an article that supports my position.

And I'm sure he goes to Bali - one of few areas in Indonesia with next to no Muslims.
Ok so your response to me was an insult? Deflection?
If there is a law regarding speaking negatively about Islam how would that article even exist? That article supports your stance? I am really confused...

But I mean, you could just refer to lagboken and show me the law?

No, he doesn't go to Bali. Indonesia.
 
Okay so those are your facts? I have personal experience from Sweden, having lived there for over a decade. In 2007, if the population was 5%, which I would have no clue on how the hell they would even get that number. Because you see in Sweden they do not do any kind of religious or racial polls or any kind of a census to map the population and their ethnicity...

So I know one thing for a fact, the CIA's prediction and statistics from Sweden is wrong. One of the large food chains "Ica" Mat, recept & smarta tjänster för en enklare vardag | ICA doesn't have anything regarding halal food if you search in the search bar on their site.

Globalsök | ICA

And bear in mind, that was 2007, Sweden's Muslim population has grown a lot so the CIA's prediction chart is totally inaccurate for Sweden. I was in Italy last year and didn't remember anything suspicious about their Muslim population. You figure that the CIA's World Fact Book would be accurate but perhaps it's not. I can't speak from experience on all the other countries on the list.

Just because I know for a fact that they are wrong on Sweden should I disregard the whole list and their little prediction thing? Yes, would be inclined to do so.

It amazes me the shit you read and believe.

So if the Swedish government doesn't require the information, it doesn't exist? Remarkably Swedish mindset - you might be a "newcomer" but you've adopted Swedish "thinking" quickly.

Well, surveys, market analyses etc do work, even in Sweden.

Islam in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many ways to gather information - the 5% mark seems realistic.
 
Ok so your response to me was an insult? Deflection?
If there is a law regarding speaking negatively about Islam how would that article even exist? That article supports your stance? I am really confused...

But I mean, you could just refer to lagboken and show me the law?

No, he doesn't go to Bali. Indonesia.

Sweden has long had "hate speech" restrictions, and they're only getting worse. Here's a source in English :
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/18116-new-swedish-law-criminalizes-anti-immigration-internet-speech (New Swedish Law Criminalizes Anti-immigration Internet Speech)

But it's pointless to continue with you for several reasons :
1 - you're a Muslim, so you see no evil
2 - you're Swedish (nominally), so you grasp nothing of the outside world
3 - this thread is about Mussies in the US
 
A white friend of mine goes to Indonesia every couple months, and Indonesia is considered one of the highest % population Islam. He doesn't get killed or anything. He has a tattoo of a crucifix on him as well.

Correct. It's the highest Muslim populated country.
 
Come on, the FDA has approved drugs with far weaker correlation. :)

We're walking into sociology here, so causation isn't exactly provable.

If you cannot see the trend in what takes place as Muslim percentages grow, and correlate that with world affairs, I can't help you.

And pointing out the vitriol coming from the imams doesn't seem to register either.

One thing is for sure, where there are zero Muslims there is no terrorism. So there's that.

Is that implying terrorism is solely a Muslim act?
 
Muslims are beheading people every day in the name of Islam. Muslims are throwing gays off buildings every day for the crime of being gay, in the name of Islam. Muslims are tearing little girls away from their families every day and selling them into sex slavery, in the name of Islam. Muslims are mutilating the genitals of little girls every day in the name of Islam. Muslims subjugate women every day in the name of Islam. Muslims are killing apostates every day in the name of Islam.

The prejudice you face as a minority are wrong. The examples of hate crimes you mentioned are also wrong, but thankfully rare. But to draw a moral equivalence between the prejudice you face and horrors inflicted daily by Islam does a disservice to its millions of victims. There is no comparison. When it comes to killing in the name of religion, Islam is the religion doing it. Not Christianity, not Judaism, not Buddhism. It's Islam.
You're just wrong.
 
Is that implying terrorism is solely a Muslim act?

Interesting idea Doc, I think you're on to something.

Jokes aside, you're not saying much about the stats as such - any of the 90%+ Muslim countries you'd care to visit? And would feel safe in?

And if you turn it around, any 90%+ Christian nation that a Muslim wouldn't feel safe visiting?

I think that says it all.
 
So if the Swedish government doesn't require the information, it doesn't exist? Remarkably Swedish mindset - you might be a "newcomer" but you've adopted Swedish "thinking" quickly.

Well, surveys, market analyses etc do work, even in Sweden.

Islam in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many ways to gather information - the 5% mark seems realistic.
I have no clue what Swedish thinking you are talking about?

ROFL did you just send me a Wikipedia link as some kind of proof of something?!

5% doesn't seem realistic at all, it's much higher.
 
Interesting idea Doc, I think you're on to something.

Jokes aside, you're not saying much about the stats as such - any of the 90%+ Muslim countries you'd care to visit? And would feel safe in?

And if you turn it around, any 90%+ Christian nation that a Muslim wouldn't feel safe visiting?

I think that says it all.

I don't know the Muslim populations for these countries but I have been to Lebanon, Israel, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, and may have been to Saudi Arabia when I was younger but don't really remember. I felt perfectly safe in all those countries except one time in Lebanon when Israel bombed Beirut. I was 10yo and helped look through the rubble to find survivors. Besides that experience I can't say I was really scared of anything. I had a Muslim guy drive me around on the back of his scooter for hours in Mansourieh bc I got lost. Finally we found where I had to be and the guy wouldn't even accept money for gas or food amor anything as a token of my appreciation.
 
99%+ terrorists are muslims a plain fact.

Why most terrorists are muslim
most muslims are not terrorist
but many people think why bother accepting muslims or arabs?
The reason why is that muslims haven't properly condemned terrorism. No massive anti-terror demonstrations that I've known of.
 
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