I'm surprised you believe half of what you type
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Are you ok with Muslim refugees moving in next to you in the US?
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I'm surprised you believe half of what you type
Sworder
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Yeah right... Another "plain fact?" Care to support it? Are you talking about terrorist acts committed this year? Or just throughout history? Or are you just giving an "educated estimate?" What do you think foreign countries consider American soldiers when they invade? You do know the definition of terrorism I hope, or, maybe, it's just a picture of a bearded Muslim in your mind.
No massive anti-terrorism demonstrations that you know of? Ahhhhh. You do seem very well rounded in your insight on the world. I mean, you probably watch the news and all that. More countries need to go searching for some weapons of mass destruction. That would surely help.
tenpoundsleft
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That kind of puts the finger on why Muslims are distrusted - there's no sign of fundametal contrition.
As you say, where are the marches, candle lit vigils, fiery speeches, broad condemnation - by Muslims and their leadership - of the deeds done in the name of their religion? Far and few in-between, isolated and half-hearted at best. Certainly nothing from the places that count - e.g. Saudi, Iran and similar ME countries.
The repentant can be forgiven, isn't that what the Christians say? Not much penitence out of the Muslim leaders.
Where's the broad condemnation for the killing of innocent civilians by the "men in blue"? Where are the fiery speeches and candle lit vigils?
In the end, to me, it just comes down to a bit of common sense. You don't bring in refugees from an area where a decent amount of peoples believe their god is asking them to kill you. It's not a requirement that we bring in anybody. It's not a requirement that we help any other nations. Why put americans in real danger and for what? Why do we have to accept refugees from a part of the world that a large number of the population believes there's a holy war against western civilization?
tenpoundsleft
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Doc - come on - the police leadership don't exactly issue any Fatwas stating death to all civilians, or even death to all fill-in-the-blank-ethnicity civilians.
Like all apologists you conflate ISOLATED instances of murder with the SYSTEMIC violence actively preached and espoused by Islam - it's institutionalized, has been ever since Muhammad had pen put to paper, or whatever the hell he scribbled on.
Yes, the Catholic Church issued mild "Fatwas" (e.g. excommunication) against individuals back in the Dark Ages (note that we call it the Dark Ages) but didn't have the scripture that calls for immediate death (as Islam and Sharia demands against heresy and apostasy).
It's so tiring to hear apologists deny the death cult that is Islam. Doesn't anyone learn history these days?
I must have missed it but where is the real danger? You honestly believe someone fleeing from a war zone cares about religious differences when it means their children and families can be removed from danger?
tenpoundsleft
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If they were TRULY fleeing from a war zone, we'd see old men, old women, mothers with babies and little children.
In reality, we see mainly 15-35 yo males... That's not people fleeing, that's an invasion army.
I guess most Muslims must ignore the fatwas then bc if the world's 1+ billion Muslim population all took it seriously then the death toll would be nothing compared to what it is now. In which case, since most Muslims are ignoring the fatwas, how important are they really?
Yes police aren't publicly issuing fatwas but do they need to? From the beginning of 2015 up until Sep 2015, 755 people were killed by cops, 161 of whom were completely unarmed, and 25cops died, 2 of whom were killed by accidmetallyaccidentally discharges from their own weapons.
Dude, in all honesty you have a higher chance of being killed by a cop then you do by a fatwa crazed Muslim lol.
Well thankfully your post is blatantly incorrect so I guess they are TRULY fleeing from a war zone
According to the United Nations High Comissioner:
1) 50.5% of refugees are women
2) females refugees from 18-59 represent 23.9% while males of the same age represent 21.8%
3) 51.1% of refugees are less than 17yo while 38.5% of them are less than 12yo
In the future, could you at least try to accurately portray reality instead of letting your personal biases make you post outrageous BS. Thank you for your cooperation
Furthermore, even if you were right and most refugees were 15-35yo males, which you're not, have you even thought that maybe they're fleeing bc they don't want to be drawn into the war anymore than they have already? Those are military aged males more or less and maybe they just don't want to be drafted into a war they don't want to fight in. Just bc they're that age automatically makes them terrorists disguised as refugees? Give me a break
Asylum seekers to Europe are largely young and male
Number of Refugees to Europe Surges to Record 1.3 Million in 2015
In addition, men made up nearly three-fourths (73%) of Europe’s asylum seekers in 2015. Refugees from leading origin countries such as Syria (71%), Iraq (75%) and Afghanistan (80%) were also predominately male in 2015.
Number of Refugees to Europe Surges to Record 1.3 Million in 2015
In addition, men made up nearly three-fourths (73%) of Europe’s asylum seekers in 2015. Refugees from leading origin countries such as Syria (71%), Iraq (75%) and Afghanistan (80%) were also predominately male in 2015.
UNHCR’s data show that 50.5 percent of refugees are women. Females age 18 to 59 make up 23.9 percent of the refugees, while males in that age group make up 21.8 percent.
Even younger males — age 12 to 17 — represent 6.5 percent of refugees, while females that age are 6.1 percent. The majority of refugees — 51.1 percent — are under age 17, including 38.5 percent who are younger than 12 years old. These numbers were as of Sept. 6.
We have seen a http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.phpcited on a few conservative websites — figures for refugees and migrants who have tried to enter Europe by crossing the Mediterranean Sea. There have been more than 400,000 such “sea arrivals” in 2015, and 51 percent are Syrian. The rest have come mainly from nine other countries. Most of these refugees and migrants have been men — 72 percent — but these are not figures on Syrian refugees or even solely the 200,000-some Syrians who have been willing to take some type of boat to reach Europe by sea.
Stretching Facts on Syrian Refugees
Even younger males — age 12 to 17 — represent 6.5 percent of refugees, while females that age are 6.1 percent. The majority of refugees — 51.1 percent — are under age 17, including 38.5 percent who are younger than 12 years old. These numbers were as of Sept. 6.
We have seen a http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.phpcited on a few conservative websites — figures for refugees and migrants who have tried to enter Europe by crossing the Mediterranean Sea. There have been more than 400,000 such “sea arrivals” in 2015, and 51 percent are Syrian. The rest have come mainly from nine other countries. Most of these refugees and migrants have been men — 72 percent — but these are not figures on Syrian refugees or even solely the 200,000-some Syrians who have been willing to take some type of boat to reach Europe by sea.
Stretching Facts on Syrian Refugees
master.on
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Plenty of countries to get low wage immigrants from
so no need to allow arabs/muslims in and risk terror attacks
so no need to allow arabs/muslims in and risk terror attacks
Here is an idea: How about they turn the fuck around and fix their own problems rather than running from them?
tenpoundsleft
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Did you just try to down-define refugees and spin the numbers to tell us that the majority of the refugees are female? That flies in the face of all news report images - it's a SEA of young males we see all the time, except when there's a drowned kid on a beach to use to stir up emotions, no editorializing in the news coverage, nope.
Here's from that extreme right-wing publication POLITICO:
"the result is that 66.26 percent of adult migrants registered through Italy and Greece over the past year were male, according to the International Organization of Migration."
"more than half of those minors traveling to Europe are traveling as unaccompanied minors—90 percent of whom are males"
"as of the end of November, 71 percent of all applicants for asylum to Sweden in 2015 were male"
"a total of 18,615 males aged 16 and 17 entered Sweden over the course of the past year, compared with 2,555 females of the same age."
Arch-fascist Canadian PM Justin Trudeau "announced in late November that, starting in 2016, it would accept only women, accompanied children and families from Syria."
Finally, ponder this: "in the overwhelming majority of cases, terror attacks are carried out by unattached young adult men" - that'll be really nice for Europe in coming years. Let's put ourselves in the same boat - go Hillary, go...
Read more here, a sensible POLITICO article for once: Europe’s Man Problem
"The gender split overall was 72% male, 28% female."
Ask Full Fact: are asylum seekers mostly men?
"the United Nations http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php that of all the migrants arriving in the EU by sea in 2015, 69% have been men (as of late September 2015"
So Doc, maybe time to admit you're completely wrong?
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Did you just claim that I, BY QUOTING THE UNITED NATIONS HIGH COMMISSIONER FOR REFUGEES statistics for Syrian refugees, down-defined refugees and spin the numbers bc they don't match cherry picked media pictures????? Oh the fucking horror lol
Anything to make your case eh?
You say u.n. high commissioner like that title carries weight. It does not. This is the United States. Had you spent a day in the military within close proximity to anything U.N. you would never use them as an example of sanity. These are the guys that station troops in combat zones with no ammunition and put blue helmets, or targets helmets as we called them, on their soldiers and try to use them as police officers with zero protection or true authority. Pawns hung out in the wind is a more apt description. These are also the same guys who call for an inspection and give the people to be inspected months advance notice and in some cases let them inspect themselves. Yea, those guys. I would not trust data or really anything that came out of the U.N. While the idea was probably good on paper they are all but useless in reality.
So you'd rather believe cherry picked news pictures?????
All your comments refer to how they fight battles which has exactly what relevance towards tracking refugee statistics???
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