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[sable]

So far I can't speak on helix's tren ace. But so far my buddy who I gave the helix's tren to have said they have the coughs, night sweats and SOME aggression after a week and change being on it.

IMO it dosent make sense for helix to do all that reship unless he's here for the long haul. So if the tren and his other products is not point sooner or later people is going to catch on to it.

With that price I'm sure many people have jumped at it and so far he's been at least month and change he's been here. So far no one has came forward and complained. That's a good sign...But no one has been raving about it either.

I believe there is definitely tren in those bottles..just a question of how much.

Only more time with tell and like ebk said. I wish more people will chime in about it too.

 

[54chev]

Im pretty sure you dont use nolva witb a 19 nor.....I could be wrong, can someone else chime in.

Nolva is fine to use with a 19nor. People somehow made a myth about how its bad and makes gyno worse, just broscience. It will actually help with high estro, and progesterone induced gyno..if you are prone to high prolactin levels, or prolactin related gyno while running a 19nor like tren/deca, it will not help..but it will not make it worse either.

 

[BigShadow]

Nolva is fine to use with a 19nor. People somehow made a myth about how its bad and makes gyno worse, just broscience. It will actually help with high estro, and progesterone induced gyno..if you are prone to high prolactin levels, or prolactin related gyno while running a 19nor like tren/deca, it will not help..but it will not make it worse either.

Did some research and it seems you are correct. Not sure if I would call it bro science but yeah a little confusion on using it while on a 19nor. Guess theres better options but using it either on cycle or for pct wont hurt or hinder gyno related symptoms. Seems it wont help progestin related gyno though.

 

[joe0035]

Shadow,54chev you might want to read this thread. Tren/prolactin/tren induced gyno= more bro science???
https://thinksteroids.com/community/posts/993090

Thank you CBS!!!

 

[54chev]

Shadow,54chev you might want to read this thread. Tren/prolactin/tren induced gyno= more bro science???
https://thinksteroids.com/community/posts/993090

Thank you CBS!!!

I agree with cbs.

 

[tipdog]

Very interesting read about tren and prolactin levels. Thanks cbs, and thanks joe for bring it to our attention.

 

[tipdog]

In know it's still a bit early, but how is the tren treating you so far?

 

[BigShadow]

Seems like a lot of copy and paste to me. You need to read swifto's shit. That guy knows his stuff.

 

[1fnprick]

I am currently taking 750mg of tren a week.
Letro is the best and only thing I have found to keep away gyno.
I know everyone is different.

 

[brutus79]

Seems like a lot of copy and paste to me. You need to read swifto's shit. That guy knows his stuff.

Cbs and the doc are incorrect? Does swifto have clinical studies the world is unaware of linking tren to gyno? Do you have a link?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Cbs and the doc are incorrect? Does swifto have clinical studies the world is unaware of linking tren to gyno? Do you have a link?

Yes, please link swifto's studies!! [)]

 

[sable]

Hey anyone heard from helix the last few days? Placed a order few nights ago. Right after another order. He agreed to sent out next day. But since then after few emails sent inquiring bout status, he hasn't replied back. I know some ppl is going to say it's only bee a few days. But this is not like helix, he always respond the same night or at least by end of next day. Especially when we have a agreement. I'm not worried he bounced, but more to if he got in some kind of trouble. Security will be compromised.

 

[joe0035]

Hey anyone heard from helix the last few days? Placed a order few nights ago. Right after another order. He agreed to sent out next day. But since then after few emails sent inquiring bout status, he hasn't replied back. I know some ppl is going to say it's only bee a few days. But this is not like helix, he always respond the same night or at least by end of next day. Especially when we have a agreement. I'm not worried he bounced, but more to if he got in some kind of trouble. Security will be compromised.

that has happened to me where it took him a couple days to respond, I know stuff his still crazy with the wife stuff so he got side tracked a couple times. I haven't emailed him or anything for a few days so I don't know. Plus I am super busy with going back to work. hmmmm weird though

 

[hilfloskind]

Happened to me as well...he does reply though. Seems like a good guy.

 

[sable]

Yea, he usually respond late at night or next morning at the lastest. From the last email we spoke, nothing sounded out of the ordinary. He said confirmed delivery for tomrw with upbeat tone. Even with delay, I expected him to keep me in the loop. Hopefully it was a just a hiccup. Anyway thanks for your insights bud.

 

[BigShadow]

Cbs and the doc are incorrect? Does swifto have clinical studies the world is unaware of linking tren to gyno? Do you have a link?

I think you misinterpreted my statement. I wasnt disagreeing with cbs or Jim. What I said was it seemed like a lot of copy and paste statements. In regards to what swifto stated he said the same things the only difference is he said them in his own words. Relax bro

 

[BigShadow]

Yes, please link swifto's studies!! [)]

Cant link as im on my phone, but here is a copy and paste from his findings.

You can get gyno (it seems) 3 ways. First off, from estrogen. Second, from progesterone alone, or progesterone making estrogenic gyno worse. And finally, from prolactin.

I am stating Tamoxifen can be used to treat gyno from either Deca or Tren, whether it be from estrogen or progesterone. Tamoxifen CANNOT treat prolactin induced gyno. But can treat estrogenic gyno or progestenic gyno (if that exists).

You see, when people use Deca and Tren, they tend to use Testosterone too. So if they experienced gyno, it may be from estrogen, NOT from Deca and Tren and again, I'm stating its OK to use Tamoxifen.

This was all found out by myself, reading and researching. If you had done adequate research, YOU would know this. So I suggest you do that, rather than disagree and ask me to explain myself MORE when you dont understand.

 

[BigShadow]

Yes, please link swifto's studies!! [)]

This was his first.

No, I stated Tamoxifen will down regulate the progesterone receptor in breast tissue. Some "guru's" state Tamoxifen will up regulate the progesterone receptor and cause or lead to gyno. By either worsening estrogenic gyno or by itself. They, therfore, assume Tamoxifen CANT be used with Deca or Tren , but this is false.

I have never seen a case of gyno solely caused by PgR. It seems impossible as the PgR is synthesized by the ER (Estrogen Receptor).

Deca and Tren will both elevate PRL (Prolactin) levels (although, again debatable). Therfore, for PRL related sides, such as loss of labido, gyno and lactation (although not only from PRL), Caber, Prami or Dostinex need to be used.

If that doesnt explain it nothing will. And...To be honest, I'm tired of explaining things over and over just for YOUR benifit, such as my HCG thread.

 

[sable]

Hey not meaning to jump in your guys debate. But IMO cabser would be wise to incorporate in any cycle with tren involved. If u can find the pharma ones.

 

[hilfloskind]

BTW sable, I emailed him this morning with a question...if/when I hear back, I'll let you know.