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I don't quite see how this could be a problem with the raws. There's roughly as much primo and test E as the product is supposed to have, plus 36 mg/mL of foreign test C. It's an extra 15% API mass per mL vs. the product spec -- surely that would have shown up when weighing the raw powders. Assuming you weighed them individually, it would have shown as 25% or 37% extra mass for one of them. If it were a raw problem, I'd expect to see roughly 250 mg/mL concentration, but with a substantial portion of one of the intended APIs replaced with some testC.

And if the sample was taken from a correctly dosed vial, but somehow contaminated by mixing with testC-containing oil by the customer, then that contaminant should have diluted the primo/test solution, right? In which case the concentrations of primo and testE would be lower than the roughly 150 primo/100 testE concentrations shown on the Jano test.

This almost seems like you brewed up some test C at some odd concentration I'm too lazy to calculate, and then used it like it was pure oil for a batch of primo/testE mix.

I'm probably being stupid about this. I'm certainly ignorant of how these fine products are made.
If they are currently using bottletop filters as they say one option would be that yey brew a big batch of test c dumped it out to filter then with still oil in the big beaker started dumping oil and powder for the blend batch.. any which way tou look at it axle has a history of sloppy brewing.. some people don't seem to mind.whatever
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So from reading your post....you've used this source and it pushes an unreliable or fake product hence the "shit source" comment

I searched your previous posts and couldn't find anything related to what you're saying ...maybe I missed it....keep in mind bro I'm basically an outsider looking in....I keep seeing "it's up to the members to keep the sources honest but all I see at this point are the occasional...."it's a trash source" comment...but nothing to back it up
I haven't called this source a trash source.
I've never used them and never done business with them.

However, they have enough of a history (that has been brought to light only because of member vetting) of making fraudulent reviews, shilling on alt accounts, and whatever else for me to never consider them as a potential source.
 
Ok I see what you're talking about....the test report??

Dude I just thought it

the test report?....yeah I see that but that alone didn't register with me ....(I am a newbie on all this shit)
I was just pointing out the fact that bun took the time to explain on the most likeliest reason it was contaminated .....and alot of the post I see ...people are just saying it's "trash" without explanation
But I get your
No worries. Just keep this in mind when blasting guys for doing what they think is best to hold a source accountable.
sorry wasn't my intention on coming across as "blasting" folks......just trying to weed through the good advice and the smoke...

One thing about me is that I try to be respectful at all times
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If they are currently using bottletop filters as they say one option would be that yey brew a big batch of test c dumped it out to filter then with still oil in the big beaker started dumping oil and powder for the blend batch.. any which way tou look at it axle has a history of sloppy brewing.. some people don't seem to mind.whatever
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I haven't called this source a trash source.
I've never used them and never done business with them.

However, they have enough of a history (that has been brought to light only because of member vetting) of making fraudulent reviews, shilling on alt accounts, and whatever else for me to never consider them as a potential source.
I'm sorry I wasn't trying to imply you said they were a trash source....I meant in general...I appreciate your honest reply by stating you haven't used them....
 
I don't quite see how this could be a problem with the raws. There's roughly as much primo and test E as the product is supposed to have, plus 36 mg/mL of foreign test C. It's an extra 15% API mass per mL vs. the product spec -- surely that would have shown up when weighing the raw powders. Assuming you weighed them individually, it would have shown as 25% or 37% extra mass for one of them. If it were a raw problem, I'd expect to see roughly 250 mg/mL concentration, but with a substantial portion of one of the intended APIs replaced with some testC.

And if the sample was taken from a correctly dosed vial, but somehow contaminated by mixing with testC-containing oil by the customer, then that contaminant should have diluted the primo/test solution, right? In which case the concentrations of primo and testE would be lower than the roughly 150 primo/100 testE concentrations shown on the Jano test.

This almost seems like you brewed up some test C at some odd concentration I'm too lazy to calculate, and then used it like it was pure oil for a batch of primo/testE mix.

I'm probably being stupid about this. I'm certainly ignorant of how these fine products are made.
Yea, we're asking Jano if there could have been a mistake. Test-E and Test-C don't touch the same lines to be clear. We have a separate bottle top setup for each compound except blends can share the same line (for example Primo/Test-E blend can be brewed on either Test-E or Primo line).

We do overdose our products by a bit also, so a possibility is there are Test-C raws in the Test-E raws. Since the raws shortage, it has been harder to get even testosterone so it's possible suppliers are mixing. Sure, the raws test showed Test-E with 98% purity but I am wondering if Test-C is mixed in portions of the raw powder. We are sending off Test-E/Test-C finished product Monday for testing. Again, this is just a theory, no other explanation yet for the bit of Test-C showing up in Test-E/Primo-E blend.
 
The mixing of raw’s theory seems a bit more plausible now(I’m not saying it’s concrete don’t crucify me). Was on Kits4less and their recent hplc test shows 229mg test e and 9mg test c
But I already brought this cross and hammer… seriously, though, mixing of raws doesn’t make sense to me. Did Axle just mistakenly put 15% more API mass in the finished product, so that the advertised ingredients came out to just the right concentration, plus a significant concentration of a third?
 
But I already brought this cross and hammer… seriously, though, mixing of raws doesn’t make sense to me. Did Axle just mistakenly put 15% more API mass in the finished product, so that the advertised ingredients came out to just the right concentration, plus a significant concentration of a third?
What it comes down to is bussiness as usual, it's a pattern and there is a huge customer base for the guy and they don't care... axles gear was the first gear I ever ran.. served a purpose.. I tested some gear of hemisphere that I was running last year and it was contaminated npp with test cyp.. shit it's what lead me to making my own gear so something good came out of it.. would I ever run his gear again....... probly not... he does get shit out and he has a good testing credit policy.. buy in bulk and test your gear, nothing to.lose
 
But I already brought this cross and hammer… seriously, though, mixing of raws doesn’t make sense to me. Did Axle just mistakenly put 15% more API mass in the finished product, so that the advertised ingredients came out to just the right concentration, plus a significant concentration

What it comes down to is bussiness as usual, it's a pattern and there is a huge customer base for the guy and they don't care... axles gear was the first gear I ever ran.. served a purpose.. I tested some gear of hemisphere that I was running last year and it was contaminated npp with test cyp.. shit it's what lead me to making my own gear so something good came out of it.. would I ever run his gear again....... probly not... he does get shit out and he has a good testing credit policy.. buy in bulk and test your gear, nothing

What it comes down to is bussiness as usual, it's a pattern and there is a huge customer base for the guy and they don't care... axles gear was the first gear I ever ran.. served a purpose.. I tested some gear of hemisphere that I was running last year and it was contaminated npp with test cyp.. shit it's what lead me to making my own gear so something good came out of it.. would I ever run his gear again....... probly not... he does get shit out and he has a good testing credit policy.. buy in bulk and test your gear,

What it comes down to is bussiness as usual, it's a pattern and there is a huge customer base for the guy and they don't care... axles gear was the first gear I ever ran.. served a purpose.. I tested some gear of hemisphere that I was running last year and it was contaminated npp with test cyp.. shit it's what lead me to making my own gear so something good came out of it.. would I ever run his gear again....... probly not... he does get shit out and he has a good testing credit policy.. buy in bulk and test your gear,

What it comes down to is bussiness as usual, it's a pattern and there is a huge customer base for the guy and they don't care... axles gear was the first gear I ever ran.. served a purpose.. I tested some gear of hemisphere that I was running last year and it was contaminated npp with test cyp.. shit it's what lead me to making my own gear so something good came out of it.. would I ever run his gear again....... probly not... he does get shit out and he has a good testing credit policy.. buy in bulk and test your

What it comes down to is bussiness as usual, it's a pattern and there is a huge customer base for the guy and they don't care... axles gear was the first gear I ever ran.. served a purpose.. I tested some gear of hemisphere that I was running last year and it was contaminated npp with test cyp.. shit it's what lead me to making my own gear so something good came out of it.. would I ever run his gear again....... probly not... he does get shit out and he has a good testing credit policy.. buy

What it comes down to is bussiness as usual, it's a pattern and there is a huge customer base for the guy and they don't care... axles gear was the first gear I ever ran.. served a purpose.. I tested some gear of hemisphere that I was running last year and it was contaminated npp with test cyp.. shit it's what lead me to making my own gear so something good came out of it.. would I ever run his gear again....... probly not... he does get shit out and he has a good testing credit policy.. buy in bulk and test your gear, nothing to.lose
All of this "underground steroids" talk reminds me of meth cooks back in the 90s.....just change the topic line from steroids to meth....

I just want to get big and strong

In all seriousness....I appreciate the info
 
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