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Snake_87

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Hi everyone, i started my first cycle, TEST C 500 mg per week (250 mg twice, tuesday morning and friday ebening) and a little dose of aromasinn 6,25 mg twice a week on pin days. I felt good, but from week 3 i start suffering bad anxiety and social fobia (i am in the middle of week 4 now).
I got bloodwork yesterday, and everything was ok, except for testosterone level, that is through the roof, and my e2 is at 72.
What do you think anxiety come from? It can come from super high test? it's a little weird, because high test should meke you feel good and more confident... According to your experience, super high test levels can do the opposite effect on some people? I have alway been prone to anxiety, but in this period it is very strong, especially in the morning when i wake up, and if i open my eyes in the night it's very hard to fall asleep again.
Or maybe anxiety can come from high e2? In this case should i increase my aromasin dosage?
Need some advice from you guys, about what to do to fix this problem... maybe a small dose of some drug, like RRSI can help? Any ideas? Or should i stop the cycle and start again when i will feel better?
Honestly i don't want to interrupt, becasue just now i am seeing the firrst improvements in my muscles ang in the gym i feel superstrong and can do 8 reps with 120 kg as nothing, i feel superstrong as never before... Thank you guys
P.S. sorry for my bad english, i am italian
 
It's possible that this e2 number is high for you, what other symptoms do you experience? I don'r recommend aromasin for newbies as it's hard to dial in, anastrozole or arimidex is easier to deal with. In any case T to e2 ratio is totally individual, you may need to reduce your e2 further to feel better. Just whatever you do don't overuse AI, little increases at time and give it a bit more time to work.
 
Hey dude, thanks for the reply... the other sides i am experiencing are very bad anxiety, especially in the morning (i feel better in the evening), and a lot of sweating during the night, sometimes i wake up and i am completely wet... No other syptoms... Hard night sweat can be from high e2 too? Yes i think i will slighly increase my ai dosage... unfortunately i have just aromasin right now, i can buy some arimidex but it will take a while to arrive...
 
Snake_87 said:
Hi everyone, i started my first cycle, TEST C 500 mg per week (250 mg twice, tuesday morning and friday ebening) and a little dose of aromasinn 6,25 mg twice a week on pin days. I felt good, but from week 3 i start suffering bad anxiety and social fobia (i am in the middle of week 4 now).
I got bloodwork yesterday, and everything was ok, except for testosterone level, that is through the roof, and my e2 is at 72.
What do you think anxiety come from? It can come from super high test? it's a little weird, because high test should meke you feel good and more confident... According to your experience, super high test levels can do the opposite effect on some people? I have alway been prone to anxiety, but in this period it is very strong, especially in the morning when i wake up, and if i open my eyes in the night it's very hard to fall asleep again.
Or maybe anxiety can come from high e2? In this case should i increase my aromasin dosage?
Need some advice from you guys, about what to do to fix this problem... maybe a small dose of some drug, like RRSI can help? Any ideas? Or should i stop the cycle and start again when i will feel better?
Honestly i don't want to interrupt, becasue just now i am seeing the firrst improvements in my muscles ang in the gym i feel superstrong and can do 8 reps with 120 kg as nothing, i feel superstrong as never before... Thank you guys
P.S. sorry for my bad english, i am italian
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Increased anxiety is common with a high androgen load, especially if you are prone to anxiety in the first place. The high e2 might not be a problem, it's not that high, but do try lowering it to the 30's and see how you feel.

What does your iron panel look like? Where is your shbg at? How is your cbc looking? Where is your hsCRP at? Liver, kidney ...?

There are some issues that can exasperate anxiety, like a high tsat, or high inflammation, liver stress, etc. But in a general sense, androgens are stimulating and in anxiety prone people, high excitatory neurotransmission is usually an issue as is and then when you add androgens to the mix, it's simply put just an overload of stimulation.

I can get a lot more technical if you wish but in a general sense, anxiety and aas don't mix.
 
Snake_87 said:
Hi everyone, i started my first cycle, TEST C 500 mg per week (250 mg twice, tuesday morning and friday ebening) and a little dose of aromasinn 6,25 mg twice a week on pin days. I felt good, but from week 3 i start suffering bad anxiety and social fobia (i am in the middle of week 4 now).
I got bloodwork yesterday, and everything was ok, except for testosterone level, that is through the roof, and my e2 is at 72.
What do you think anxiety come from? It can come from super high test? it's a little weird, because high test should meke you feel good and more confident... According to your experience, super high test levels can do the opposite effect on some people? I have alway been prone to anxiety, but in this period it is very strong, especially in the morning when i wake up, and if i open my eyes in the night it's very hard to fall asleep again.
Or maybe anxiety can come from high e2? In this case should i increase my aromasin dosage?
Need some advice from you guys, about what to do to fix this problem... maybe a small dose of some drug, like RRSI can help? Any ideas? Or should i stop the cycle and start again when i will feel better?
Honestly i don't want to interrupt, becasue just now i am seeing the firrst improvements in my muscles ang in the gym i feel superstrong and can do 8 reps with 120 kg as nothing, i feel superstrong as never before... Thank you guys
P.S. sorry for my bad english, i am italian
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I have had anxiety issues. And I also had anxiety when I started trt. And for me it’s just something in your head and what is best is to just keep going and let it pass. It goes away and everything is good. Don’t change anything or worry and after your body adjust to higher androgens the anxiety will cease. That’s my personal experience. If it does not cease then mabey cycling is not good for you personally. But I believe if u just keep training and eating it will go away when your brain / body adjusts. Good luck to you.
 
Thank you for your reply Jin,
unfortunately, i didn't check the values you mentioned, due to my lack of experience and education, i checked just test and estrogens.
But i can tell you, according to my research, i suspected that anxiety can come from overstimulations by androgens...
If i can ask you, if you want to give me a list of the parameters i need to check with my next bloodwork, and an explanation about how they can contribute to anxiety, and how high androgens level can contribute to anxiety in general, i would be very happy to learn from you.
You mentioned shbg... i take some supplements, like zma and boro, that naturally decrease shbg and increase free test... can it aggravate anxiety?
In the past, when i was just 19, i used RRSI because had DOC and panic attacks, in a very bad period of my life (Now i am 36).
Thank you so much in advance bro
 
Iamnatty said:
I have had anxiety issues. And I also had anxiety when I started trt. And for me it’s just something in your head and what is best is to just keep going and let it pass. It goes away and everything is good. Don’t change anything or worry and after your body adjust to higher androgens the anxiety will cease. That’s my personal experience. If it does not cease then mabey cycling is not good for you personally. But I believe if u just keep training and eating it will go away when your brain / body adjusts. Good luck to you.
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Thank you bro, i will go on and see how the situation evolves. The very paradoxycal thing is that test usually should improve our mood and self confident feelings, but for someone happens the opposite... this is the proof of how different we are from each one and how differently everyone reacts to aas...
 
Snake_87 said:
Thank you bro, i will go on and see how the situation evolves. The very paradoxycal thing is that test usually should improve our mood and self confident feelings, but for someone happens the opposite... this is the proof of how different we are from each one and how differently everyone reacts to aas...
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Don't forget that your body changes and adapts over time. For now consider it a system shock your system doesn't understand where this inhuman T levels are coming from and panicking. We are much more complicated than automatic machines some people like to compare us to.
 
Mabe the new trend of guys starting at just 250 test an slowly built up even to just 500mgs.
Is probably ment for guys like u.

you for sure are in that fight or flight mode lol.
Some aas users take anxiety meds just to make it work for them. To me that's stupid, I hate the idea of throwing drugs on top of drugs on top of drugs. "Yes u vigerous steve" lol be on 10x more shit than a aids patient. Even myself I gota take bp meds to make it work pisses me off.

But if i had bad anxiety I would call it quits for anything much over say trt+
Like other said anxiety and aas dont mix.
 
laclark89 said:
Mabe the new trend of guys starting at just 250 test
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Ain't nothing wrong with that. I understand the rush and all, but if I started over again I'd probably do 250mg for 12-16 weeks and then each cycle/blast I would increase to by another cc, so 500, 750 and then 1000mg before adding other stuff.
 
Really have to stop talking in mg's fellas. Use ng/dl's instead, please. My 250mg's is 2500 ng/dl (peak), somebody else's; it's 1250 ...

2500 ng/dl is a good first cycle dose but 1250 ng/dl, not soo much.

laclark89 said:
Mabe the new trend of guys starting at just 250 test an slowly built up even to just 500mgs.
Is probably ment for guys like u.
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Definitely, yes. It would be even better if people knew that anxiety, adhd, etc. and aas don't mix.
 
Was there any sort of triggering event or something out of the ordinary recently unrelated to the cycle? The other folks are right that the general effects of being on a cycle will likely magnify any pre-existing anxiety issues, particularly if you’re not getting enough sleep. Since this is your first cycle, you might adjust to the current levels and get used to it, but there’s no shame in reducing dosage amount now and then titrating up to a tolerable, but effective level. Keep us posted!
 
Hi everyone, thanks for your support, i really appreciate it.
TEST Cyp i'm using right now is in cottonseed oil solution... I didn't think about the possibility of inlfimation due to oil type...

@Donger
yes i had pre existing anxiety, some new events on job, and i am moving to my new apartment. I have always been a shy guy, and recently i started to go out again with frends and collegues, and i knew a girl i like very much... Some news in my life, i mean... nothing special at all, it's normal to experience some anxiety feeling in these situations, but i could never imagine it could be so hard and cause me panic attacks... i think that these feelings have been super amplified by the excess of androgens in my brain, this is my best hypothesys right now...
However, this week i feel much better, maybe my body is slowly adapting...
 
Just FYI some people just have more anxiety on Aas especially if you’re a worrying type. Ever little blip in you body is often attributed to the gear and can lead to a downward panic spiral.

You can also look into HCG for its mood lift effects. Just google it as there are many articles that support its use not just for maintaining testicular size, penile size, sensitivity, fertility, ect…. The cognitive function and mood lift are often noted but the mechanism doesn’t seem to be understood. For me I won’t do a run without HCG as I do have ADHD and when my natural hormone production shuts down I seem to experience more anxiety.

I also experience anxiety from test above 350mg a week and oddly enough seem to need a DHT to balance it out. Unfortunately, there are way to many variables to figure out why we all respond differently but if your willing to be a guinea pig try the lower test levels and see how you feel.

If you can inject everyday You can also try test P as you will have the ability to rapidly adjust dose as needed to find your ideal target. Test p also allows you to escape the low E2 panic that is crippling for me if I mess up AI doses. Overdoing aromasin causes an E2 crash that feels very much like a panic attack and a shot of test p provides relief in just a few hours.
 
i didn’t see this mentioned in the thread yet -
be sure to get quality omega 3 , vitamin d3 and magnesium daily as they allay help mood and anxiety.

The androgen load and or ratios are the cause but I’d give those a try and see if makes it manageable for you.

10,000iu or more of D3 and 1000mgs of magnesium glycinate or some type of buffered magnesium that is well absorbed. Split dose with meals if it messes with your stomach.
 
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