Bad anxiety and panic from first test cycle

[jJjburton]

i didn’t see this mentioned in the thread yet -
be sure to get quality omega 3 , vitamin d3 and magnesium daily as they allay help mood and anxiety.

The androgen load and or ratios are the cause but I’d give those a try and see if makes it manageable for you.

10,000iu or more of D3 and 1000mgs of magnesium glycinate or some type of buffered magnesium that is well absorbed. Split dose with meals if it messes with your stomach.

Cant you just go outside for vit D? That seems like a ton

 

[Kangaroo_Jack3D]

It's possible that this e2 number is high for you, what other symptoms do you experience? I don'r recommend aromasin for newbies as it's hard to dial in, anastrozole or arimidex is easier to deal with. In any case T to e2 ratio is totally individual, you may need to reduce your e2 further to feel better. Just whatever you do don't overuse AI, little increases at time and give it a bit more time to work.

Can't agree with this guy more. Aromasin tanked my estrogen on my first cycle and it ruined what would have otherwise been a good time. Small adjustments overtime, especially with aromasin.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Cant you just go outside for vit D? That seems like a ton

it isnt a ton.

Supplementing is more effective than getting blasted by UV rays

 

[Soundtown]

Cant you just go outside for vit D? That seems like a ton

You’d think so but most people could benefit from supplementing vit d. That 500 or 1000iu crap does little to elevate serum d3 levels.

It’s just low hanging fruit especially with the winter season here now. Trying to help the guy do the easy stuff and maybe salvage his blast.

This is recent labs for me with 10,000 iu daily.

 

[benpro]

lol nobody says just to get a blood test first test cycle randomly throws in ai
you kids honestly just increase and decrease ai randomly too?

 

[marsupial]

It's possible that this e2 number is high for you, what other symptoms do you experience? I don'r recommend aromasin for newbies as it's hard to dial in, anastrozole or arimidex is easier to deal with. In any case T to e2 ratio is totally individual, you may need to reduce your e2 further to feel better. Just whatever you do don't overuse AI, little increases at time and give it a bit more time to work.

I disagree. If you don’t megadose aromasin, you’ll be fine. I had high E symptoms that fucked my sleep up majorly at the beginning of my cycle. I regret not being more proactive about estrogen control. I got e2 bloods at week 3, and though it was high, I was too paranoid initially that any aromasin would crash me. The bad sleep cost me some gains in the beginning I think

Just remember high E and/or a positive estrogen delta causes all the following:

- easy erection with difficult ejaculation
- acne
- night sweats
- anxiety
- oily skin
- gyno (I never had this issue and just microdosed nolva a few times when nips got overly sensitive)

 

[lukiss96]

I disagree. If you don’t megadose aromasin, you’ll be fine. I had high E symptoms that fucked my sleep up majorly at the beginning of my cycle. I regret not being more proactive about estrogen control. I got e2 bloods at week 3, and though it was high, I was too paranoid initially that any aromasin would crash me. The bad sleep cost me some gains in the beginning I think

Just remember high E and/or a positive estrogen delta causes all the following:

- easy erection with difficult ejaculation
- acne
- night sweats
- anxiety
- oily skin
- gyno (I never had this issue and just microdosed nolva a few times when nips got overly sensitive)

I don't think you understand my post well enough then. AI dosing is personal and should be dictated by symptoms and blood work. Anastrozole is easier to dial in, let alone for inexperienced user. Your advice is basically - 'take it, but don't megadose it and you should be okay is actually what's wrong'. Finally, you make the assumption that I'm somehow against AI, where my recommendation is to increase AI by small amounts and give it some time, I didn't say don't take no ai. Everything should be once again confirmed by bloods and ideally symptoms resolving. You can't just randomly take these pills and hope for the better. Trust me that's just a Testosterone, things get even more complicates once you introduce steroids such as nandrolone, trenbolone among others.

 

[Snake_87]

Hei guys thank you for your advices.
I didn't change anything for nowm except for vitamin D integratione, because from my blood work vitamin D level was low.
I feel better, i can manage anxiety and bad feelings much better now, i think i am adapting to high T levels in my body, i feel more energic and motivated during the day. My problem now is during the night, i sweat a lot, feel my flashes very warm and general sleep quality decreased... it's a pain in the ass honestly, maybe high e2 is not for me, i should SLIGHTLY increase my ai dosage and give it some time to work.... but unfortunately i have just aromasin on hand right now, cannot immediately switch to another ai...

i have another question for you...
my lsh level is very low, so i assume my hpta is temporaru shut down, as it was supposed to be... my question is...
can hpta shutdown generate anxiety and mood swings? I mean, regardless for the enormous amount of exogenous testosterone in your body, can hpta shutdown and endogenous T suppression generate anxiety and bad feelings? is there any research or scentifical evidence of this? In this case should i introduce a low maintainance dose of hcg (let's say 500 ui three times a week?)

 

[lukiss96]

Injecting testosterone causes a cascade of hormonal events that involve different sex hormones and brain activity change. So, I guess first time users being most sensitive to it's effects. Later on, as years pass and you're more experienced you do get used to it easier.

 

[Devrip]

Increased anxiety is common with a high androgen load, especially if you are prone to anxiety in the first place. The high e2 might not be a problem, it's not that high, but do try lowering it to the 30's and see how you feel.

What does your iron panel look like? Where is your shbg at? How is your cbc looking? Where is your hsCRP at? Liver, kidney ...?

There are some issues that can exasperate anxiety, like a high tsat, or high inflammation, liver stress, etc. But in a general sense, androgens are stimulating and in anxiety prone people, high excitatory neurotransmission is usually an issue as is and then when you add androgens to the mix, it's simply put just an overload of stimulation.

I can get a lot more technical if you wish but in a general sense, anxiety and aas don't mix.

I've always found myself far less anxious while on AAS. I'm sure there is a limit but social anxiety is almost a complete non-issue when my test is through the roof.

 

[lukiss96]

I've always found myself far less anxious while on AAS. I'm sure there is a limit but social anxiety is almost a complete non-issue when my test is through the roof.

Everybody reacts differently. I feel bulletproof on T 250mg, on 500mg invincible. Others get anxiety and restlesness. Then we have people who swear and preach deca as the best shit ever, while others like me can't stand it.

 

[Aly180366]

Hi everyone, i started my first cycle, TEST C 500 mg per week (250 mg twice, tuesday morning and friday ebening) and a little dose of aromasinn 6,25 mg twice a week on pin days. I felt good, but from week 3 i start suffering bad anxiety and social fobia (i am in the middle of week 4 now).
I got bloodwork yesterday, and everything was ok, except for testosterone level, that is through the roof, and my e2 is at 72.
What do you think anxiety come from? It can come from super high test? it's a little weird, because high test should meke you feel good and more confident... According to your experience, super high test levels can do the opposite effect on some people? I have alway been prone to anxiety, but in this period it is very strong, especially in the morning when i wake up, and if i open my eyes in the night it's very hard to fall asleep again.
Or maybe anxiety can come from high e2? In this case should i increase my aromasin dosage?
Need some advice from you guys, about what to do to fix this problem... maybe a small dose of some drug, like RRSI can help? Any ideas? Or should i stop the cycle and start again when i will feel better?
Honestly i don't want to interrupt, becasue just now i am seeing the firrst improvements in my muscles ang in the gym i feel superstrong and can do 8 reps with 120 kg as nothing, i feel superstrong as never before... Thank you guys
P.S. sorry for my bad english, i am italian

(1st cycle) (Blood work) = Anxiety & thinking about it too much maybe. Nothing to worry about. Or do you take a high stim / caffeine preworkout.
Don't let your brain take over your fine.
Are you on SSRI's or NSAID's ?
Relax ! Check everything else your taking.
RBC / Oxygen levels
Try Mild Propranolol or Diazepam if nothing else works. I'm sure it's because it's your first cycle anxiety buddy. Chill bro

 

[Aly180366]

Cant you just go outside for vit D? That seems like a ton

Not in Scotland Vit D. Plenty of Hep C in Scotland

 

[GoldenDragonfruit]

Increased anxiety is common with a high androgen load, especially if you are prone to anxiety in the first place. The high e2 might not be a problem, it's not that high, but do try lowering it to the 30's and see how you feel.

What does your iron panel look like? Where is your shbg at? How is your cbc looking? Where is your hsCRP at? Liver, kidney ...?

There are some issues that can exasperate anxiety, like a high tsat, or high inflammation, liver stress, etc. But in a general sense, androgens are stimulating and in anxiety prone people, high excitatory neurotransmission is usually an issue as is and then when you add androgens to the mix, it's simply put just an overload of stimulation.

I can get a lot more technical if you wish but in a general sense, anxiety and aas don't mix.

Thats more or maybe less what I was thinking, it might be just a overstimulation of the CNS which might be the cause and not the elevated E2

 

[Aly180366]

(1st cycle) (Blood work) = Anxiety & thinking about it too much maybe. Nothing to worry about. Or do you take a high stim / caffeine preworkout.
Don't let your brain take over your fine.
Are you on SSRI's or NSAID's ?
Relax ! Check everything else your taking.
RBC / Oxygen levels
Try Mild Propranolol or Diazepam if nothing else works. I'm sure it's because it's your first cycle anxiety buddy.

Cant you just go outside for vit D? That seems like a ton

(1st cycle) (Blood work) = Anxiety & thinking about it too much maybe. Nothing to worry about. Or do you take a high stim / caffeine preworkout.
Don't let your brain take over your fine.
Are you on SSRI's or NSAID's ?
Relax ! Check everything else your taking.
RBC / Oxygen levels
Try Mild Propranolol or Diazepam if nothing else works. I'm sure it's because it's your first cycle anxiety buddy. Chill bro

remove my comment then moderator. Your obviously a prick. I was world pro ! what were you ?

 

[jJjburton]

You’d think so but most people could benefit from supplementing vit d. That 500 or 1000iu crap does little to elevate serum d3 levels.

It’s just low hanging fruit especially with the winter season here now. Trying to help the guy do the easy stuff and maybe salvage his blast.

This is recent labs for me with 10,000 iu daily.

How long was that over? That increase

 

[MattDamon47]

Hey man I get a similar reaction. I've found really pounding the water and keeping my electrolytes in check has helped. I also take propranolol post workout to push myself into a rest and digest state faster because after training I have a hard time calming back down. Also look into what carrier oil your using and check your c reactive protein to see if your in a high inflammatory state.

 

[Mrwin]

Just remember high E and/or a positive estrogen delta causes all the following:

- easy erection with difficult ejaculation

My experience is the other way around. High E causes ED and premature ejaculation.

 

[Mrwin]

Everybody reacts differently. I feel bulletproof on T 250mg, on 500mg invincible. Others get anxiety and restlesness. Then we have people who swear and preach deca as the best shit ever, while others like me can't stand it.

Do you use AI at those dosages?

 

[Klimmzugernie]

Hi everyone, i started my first cycle, TEST C 500 mg per week (250 mg twice, tuesday morning and friday ebening) and a little dose of aromasinn 6,25 mg twice a week on pin days. I felt good, but from week 3 i start suffering bad anxiety and social fobia (i am in the middle of week 4 now).
I got bloodwork yesterday, and everything was ok, except for testosterone level, that is through the roof, and my e2 is at 72.
What do you think anxiety come from? It can come from super high test? it's a little weird, because high test should meke you feel good and more confident... According to your experience, super high test levels can do the opposite effect on some people? I have alway been prone to anxiety, but in this period it is very strong, especially in the morning when i wake up, and if i open my eyes in the night it's very hard to fall asleep again.
Or maybe anxiety can come from high e2? In this case should i increase my aromasin dosage?
Need some advice from you guys, about what to do to fix this problem... maybe a small dose of some drug, like RRSI can help? Any ideas? Or should i stop the cycle and start again when i will feel better?
Honestly i don't want to interrupt, becasue just now i am seeing the firrst improvements in my muscles ang in the gym i feel superstrong and can do 8 reps with 120 kg as nothing, i feel superstrong as never before... Thank you guys
P.S. sorry for my bad english, i am italian

Keep everything as it is..
Just add 300mg Drostanolone to it.