Balls not growing on HCG (Bloods attached)

[Stevo213]

Looking for some help regarding HCG and kick starting my balls. I have posted a few times, but have come to the conclusion of my main goal; get them working again through the use of HCG + serms, freeze my sperm while also getting partner pregnant, then jumping back on a blast/cruise again. I promise this will be my last new thread.

Bloods attached with 3 different dates. I am from Australia so I have converted as much as I can for your convenience.

Cycle history:
- blasting and cruising for about 3 years with low doses of tren E (200-400mg) and test E (250mg).
- had some gyno which I killed with high doses of letrozole while on cycle
- Hcg used 80% of the time
- Ai used 100% of the time
- Caber used during tren use

I finished my last pin of just test E @ 250mg about 3 months ago. Tried a standard PCT but no results. Attempted a Power PCT with HCG 2000iu E3D. Balls grew, but only a little. Test was at approx 630. Decided to come off HCG and use Serms as the Power PCT states that if test is over 400, start SERMS. Tried SERMS for 2 weeks, no results. Balls were still atrophied.

Nothing had felt right and I have been playing around with HCG doses, Aromasin Dosages (25mg EOD, 12.5mg EOD) and Caber dosages. As you can see in my test results, I have crashed both prolactin and estrogen, resulting in less testosterone output and balls were still small (only a little bigger) even though I am on HCG.

I stopped Caber and Aromasin completely, and will re-test again tomorrow using a sensitive assay LCMS test.

Every post I see about HCG states that the person's 'balls exploded in size'.
I have tested my thryoid, prolactin and even prostate. I also had a semen analysis done which was low, about 1mil. I also know that I am not primary since HCG was able to drive test levels to 630.

My questions are:
1. what could be stopping my balls from growing? Is it the lack of FSH activity? If so, how are a lot of users able to achieve much bigger balls after being atrophied even on cycle?
2. Is my estrogen and prolactin affecting my ball size and recovery? I did a regular assay test for estrogen and I have read on forums that you should deduct 20 points as it is not accurate for males.

Once again, goal is; bigger balls, resulting in bigger loads, resulting in fertility.

Your help and effort would be much appreciated.

 

[4wheel]

Your testicles responded just fine and you achieved physiological TT levels from what I can tell? Have you had a semen analysis done?

 

[Stevo213]

Your testicles responded just fine and you achieved physiological TT levels from what I can tell? Have you had a semen analysis done?

I had one done about 2 years ago which came to 1mil. I wasn't ready for children then so I continued to blast and cruise with HCG in the hopes of spermatogenisis while on cycle.

 

[4wheel]

I had one done about 2 years ago which came to 1mil. I wasn't ready for children then so I continued to blast and cruise with HCG in the hopes of spermatogenisis while on cycle.

You don't necessarily have to come off testosterone to conceive. If I were you, I'd try something like 125mg TE/wk and 500 iu of hCG every day for 3 months. If a semen analysis at this point isn't showing good results(and the ms isn't pregnant) add in HMG. Only if that fails would I consider stopping testosterone altogether and taking SERMs.
If that doesn't work you can look into assisted reproductive technology.

 

[Stevo213]

You don't necessarily have to come off testosterone to conceive. If I were you, I'd try something like 125mg TE/wk and 500 iu of hCG every day for 3 months. If a semen analysis at this point isn't showing good results(and the ms isn't pregnant) add in HMG. Only if that fails would I consider stopping testosterone altogether and taking SERMs.
If that doesn't work you can look into assisted reproductive technology.

A little test wouldn't be a bad idea as I'm struggling ATM.

Would 125mg be enough to prevent HCG from working? Don't forget I am trying to restore my sperm count and not maintain. Also why 500iu ED? Would 2000iu shot twice a week be the same? Thank you for your assistance. Really appreciated!

 

[Dr JIM]

First cease the "ball size preoccupation"

Second based on your prolonged B n C HX further HTPA induction therapy may not significant expedite your "recovery" beyond that which must occur naturally and a TT level of 630ng/dl and a sperm count at "1 mil" may be your new long term baseline, esp if your precycle sperm count was "2 mil"?



For many it's the price they pay.

Otherwise try a fertility specialist
or at least post a copy of your ORIGINAL TRST RESULTS

Good luck

 

[Stevo213]

It seems like going to a fertility doc would be my best option. And yes it's very obvious that my levels will not go back to normal. Unfortunately I never got a test prior to my use so I cannot post one.

I'll start doing some research and see some docs here. If I'm able to be prescribed with HCG/HMG I'll be happy.

Not too fussed on restoring HPTA.

Thanks Dr Jim

First cease the "ball size preoccupation"

Second based on your prolonged B n C HX further HTPA induction therapy may not significant expedite your "recovery" beyond that which must occur naturally and a TT level of 630ng/dl and a sperm count at "1 mil" may be your new long term baseline, esp if your precycle sperm count was "2 mil"?



For many it's the price they pay.

Otherwise try a fertility specialist
or at least post a copy of your ORIGINAL TRST RESULTS

Good luck

k yo

 

[4wheel]

It seems like going to a fertility doc would be my best option. And yes it's very obvious that my levels will not go back to normal. Unfortunately I never got a test prior to my use so I cannot post one.

I'll start doing some research and see some docs here. If I'm able to be prescribed with HCG/HMG I'll be happy.

Not too fussed on restoring HPTA.

Thanks Dr Jim

630ng/dl TT is certainly normal and very good. As Dr Jim says, do not concern yourself with perceivable testicle size, it's not a medical progress indicator.

I would without a doubt use 125mg/wk of TE in your case. It sounds like you are feeling horrible and that's why you are obsessing with everything. Quit the SERMs, they can make any man(or woman for that matter) feel like shit. Maybe do 1000 IUs of hCG EOD if everyday dosing is a hassle. Get yourself feeling better, stop obsessing. Take 3 month-intervals before changing one thing at a time. You'll have beautiful kids and everything will work out. Best of luck.

 

[Stevo213]

630ng/dl TT is certainly normal and very good. As Dr Jim says, do not concern yourself with perceivable testicle size, it's not a medical progress indicator.

I would without a doubt use 125mg/wk of TE in your case. It sounds like you are feeling horrible and that's why you are obsessing with everything. Quit the SERMs, they can make any man(or woman for that matter) feel like shit. Maybe do 1000 IUs of hCG EOD if everyday dosing is a hassle. Get yourself feeling better, stop obsessing. Take 3 month-intervals before changing one thing at a time. You'll have beautiful kids and everything will work out. Best of luck.

It's definitely obsessing. I'm walking to the bathroom every now and then to see if there's any progress since my last HCG shot - horrible thing to obsess about lol.

Have already taken your advice and shot 125mg Test C which I'll be doing weekly.

Btw, that 630 score was while I was on HCG and not on SERMS.

Will keep you posted.

Thank you very much once again.

 

[Stevo213]

Update:
Started Serms. I am currently on Day 11 of Clomid 100mg ED and Torem 90mg ED and Aromasin 12.5mg E4D

Here are the results thus far:
Testosterone 15.3 nmol/L 6.0 - 28.0
5D 48 nmol/L 15 - 50
Free Testosterone 247 pmol/L 200 - 600
25-hydroxy Vitamin D 71 nmol/L
Follicle Stimulating Hormone 8 IU/L (1 - 8)
Luteinizing Hormone 5 IU/L (2 - 8)
Oestradiol 110 pmol/L (< 150)
Prolactin (mIU/L) 9 mIU/L (45 - 375) (low)
Growth Hormone (µg/L) 0.1 Ref <5

Even though my balls are atrophied, they are still producing test. I am happy with these results since it's only week 2. I was worried that I wasn't recovering but I now have experienced that teste size does not correlate to amount of test being produced.

Questions:
1. Is my HGH too low? Should i supplement with HGH during PCT
2. Should I change anything? I will be dropping clomid to 50mg
3. Waiting for IGF1 and Sensitive Assay test to arrive for E2

 

[Stevo213]

@Dr JIM would like to know your thoughts.

 

[bigrobbie]

You PCT, on cycle or ASIH? If I missed in OP please forgive....

 

[Stevo213]

You PCT, on cycle or ASIH? If I missed in OP please forgive....

Week 2 of PCT after 5+ years of AAS use.
Attempting to restart HPTA for fertility.

 

[bigrobbie]

Looking for some help regarding HCG and kick starting my balls. I have posted a few times, but have come to the conclusion of my main goal; get them working again through the use of HCG + serms, freeze my sperm while also getting partner pregnant, then jumping back on a blast/cruise again. I promise this will be my last new thread.

Bloods attached with 3 different dates. I am from Australia so I have converted as much as I can for your convenience.

Cycle history:
- blasting and cruising for about 3 years with low doses of tren E (200-400mg) and test E (250mg).
- had some gyno which I killed with high doses of letrozole while on cycle
- Hcg used 80% of the time
- Ai used 100% of the time
- Caber used during tren use

I finished my last pin of just test E @ 250mg about 3 months ago. Tried a standard PCT but no results. Attempted a Power PCT with HCG 2000iu E3D. Balls grew, but only a little. Test was at approx 630. Decided to come off HCG and use Serms as the Power PCT states that if test is over 400, start SERMS. Tried SERMS for 2 weeks, no results. Balls were still atrophied.

Nothing had felt right and I have been playing around with HCG doses, Aromasin Dosages (25mg EOD, 12.5mg EOD) and Caber dosages. As you can see in my test results, I have crashed both prolactin and estrogen, resulting in less testosterone output and balls were still small (only a little bigger) even though I am on HCG.

I stopped Caber and Aromasin completely, and will re-test again tomorrow using a sensitive assay LCMS test.

Every post I see about HCG states that the person's 'balls exploded in size'.
I have tested my thryoid, prolactin and even prostate. I also had a semen analysis done which was low, about 1mil. I also know that I am not primary since HCG was able to drive test levels to 630.

My questions are:
1. what could be stopping my balls from growing? Is it the lack of FSH activity? If so, how are a lot of users able to achieve much bigger balls after being atrophied even on cycle?
2. Is my estrogen and prolactin affecting my ball size and recovery? I did a regular assay test for estrogen and I have read on forums that you should deduct 20 points as it is not accurate for males.

Once again, goal is; bigger balls, resulting in bigger loads, resulting in fertility.

Your help and effort would be much appreciated.

Read my post in this thread:
Recover Protocol
Also I have a published article on triptorelin:

bigrobbie, Author at Bodybuilding Community Forum

Also read this:

My triptorelin log for secondary hypogonadism

Looking for some help regarding HCG and kick starting my balls. I have posted a few times, but have come to the conclusion of my main goal; get them working again through the use of HCG + serms, freeze my sperm while also getting partner pregnant, then jumping back on a blast/cruise again. I promise this will be my last new thread.

Bloods attached with 3 different dates. I am from Australia so I have converted as much as I can for your convenience.

Cycle history:
- blasting and cruising for about 3 years with low doses of tren E (200-400mg) and test E (250mg).
- had some gyno which I killed with high doses of letrozole while on cycle
- Hcg used 80% of the time
- Ai used 100% of the time
- Caber used during tren use

I finished my last pin of just test E @ 250mg about 3 months ago. Tried a standard PCT but no results. Attempted a Power PCT with HCG 2000iu E3D. Balls grew, but only a little. Test was at approx 630. Decided to come off HCG and use Serms as the Power PCT states that if test is over 400, start SERMS. Tried SERMS for 2 weeks, no results. Balls were still atrophied.

Nothing had felt right and I have been playing around with HCG doses, Aromasin Dosages (25mg EOD, 12.5mg EOD) and Caber dosages. As you can see in my test results, I have crashed both prolactin and estrogen, resulting in less testosterone output and balls were still small (only a little bigger) even though I am on HCG.

I stopped Caber and Aromasin completely, and will re-test again tomorrow using a sensitive assay LCMS test.

Every post I see about HCG states that the person's 'balls exploded in size'.
I have tested my thryoid, prolactin and even prostate. I also had a semen analysis done which was low, about 1mil. I also know that I am not primary since HCG was able to drive test levels to 630.

My questions are:
1. what could be stopping my balls from growing? Is it the lack of FSH activity? If so, how are a lot of users able to achieve much bigger balls after being atrophied even on cycle?
2. Is my estrogen and prolactin affecting my ball size and recovery? I did a regular assay test for estrogen and I have read on forums that you should deduct 20 points as it is not accurate for males.

Once again, goal is; bigger balls, resulting in bigger loads, resulting in fertility.

Your help and effort would be much appreciated.

 

[Stevo213]

No point doing trip bro my FSH and LH are fine and balls are producing test (low-normal). It's only week 2.

I've used trip before, works great for an initial spike but then drops. Your link shows that the user had high levels then dropped back down as well - doesn't help me.

My concern is my HGH levels.

Read my post in this thread:
Recover Protocol
Also I have a published article on triptorelin:

bigrobbie, Author at Bodybuilding Community Forum

Also read this:

My triptorelin log for secondary hypogonadism

 

[mands]

No point doing trip bro my FSH and LH are fine and balls are producing test (low-normal). It's only week 2.

I've used trip before, works great for an initial spike but then drops. Your link shows that the user had high levels then dropped back down as well - doesn't help me.

My concern is my HGH levels.

I wouldn't necessarily be concerned with HGH levels. You could of gotten the test when you body was not pulsating GH. Showing a low level. It would be easier to check IGF-1 levels than do a traditional hormone stimulation test. It's a lengthy process.

mands