BC pills with winny/var/primo

Zandria

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I know i should ask on the womens forum, but they dont get answered as fast as this one.

I stoped taking Birth Controll pills for a wile, i make my BF wear a condom. hes getting fusterated and wanted me on BC again. I had a few questions regarding BC and winny/var/primo. If one is on a cycle of winny/var/primo is a woman more fertile or less fertile? And how would taking the female hormone effect it? If wile on winny/var/primo a woman is temparly sterile then i can say cool and wait till after a cycle to start on them.

And i say winny/var/primo as in a single cycle, not all three at once.
 
Zandria said:
I know i should ask on the womens forum, but they dont get answered as fast as this one.

I stoped taking Birth Controll pills for a wile, i make my BF wear a condom. hes getting fusterated and wanted me on BC again. I had a few questions regarding BC and winny/var/primo. If one is on a cycle of winny/var/primo is a woman more fertile or less fertile? And how would taking the female hormone effect it? If wile on winny/var/primo a woman is temparly sterile then i can say cool and wait till after a cycle to start on them.

And i say winny/var/primo as in a single cycle, not all three at once.

Us fellas here are unabashadley ignorant as to the complexities of the female anatomy. That said, I first began to educate myself on how the female menstrual works after my wife received "the shot", which is nothing but a mega dose of progesterone that completely stalls the endocrine system for three months or more.
After a two months of this shot, which, like I said lasts three or more months, she couldn't take its side effects. So, I began my research.

I'll just tell you that the way to cure the shot is 3 - 5 days of clomid at 50mg Ed. For a woman that is all that is required to jump start the menstrual cycle... crazy when you compare to a man's PCT.

But basically, this is what you're looking at on a typical month:
Mcycle.GIF

Testosterone isn't accounted for in this graph because the world has turned feminist and testosterone represents all that is evil :rolleyes:
But we know what testosterone will do because of the inherent connection to LH and estrogen. So, just draw a shadow line underneath the estrodiol and that will give you a basic idea. Of course every woman is different just like every man; thus the specific shape of the graph will vary, but the derivative will remain the same.
Now, to begin to answer your question you need to understand the relation between all these hormones. I started to type out an explanation but then I found this little blurb on about.com so I'll let this get the ball rolling:
Tracee Cornforth said:
The area of the brain called the hypothalamus, together with the pituitary gland, control the hormones necessary for reproductive health.

Six hormones serve as chemical messengers to your reproductive system. These hormones include:


Gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH)
Follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH)
Luteinizing hormone (LH)
Estrogen
Progesterone
Testosterone
During your menstrual cycle, GnRH is released first by the hypothalamus. This causes a chemical reaction in the pituitary gland and stimulates the production of FSH and LH. Estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone (yes, the "male" hormone) are produced by the ovaries in reaction to stimulation by FSH and LH. When these hormones work in unison, normal menstrual cycles occur.
So, as you can see the estrogen in your birth control works by suppressing LH and FSH, via the negative feedback loop, preventing ovulation from occuring. Just in the same way that AAS shuts down the HPTA in men, everything kinda freezes in the presence of this disproportionately high hormone. Progesterone on the otherhand, works by tricking your body into thinking its already pregnant; thickening the walls of the uterus, blocking egg implantation, and creating the cervical mucus plug to block sperm. That is why progesterone rises after ovulation in a normal cycle. When you take testosterone you accomplish the same thing as taking estrogen, but as you are aware, with testosterone you run the risk of virilization. Anavar, winstrol, and primo should simulate the effect. So, I would say that so long as you keep everything reasonable you should be able to run BC and your choice AAS at the same time.
Additionally, I want to relay what I've heard about more and more women running BC continuously for 12 week cycles instead of the traditional 3/1 week split. Apparently, the continuity granted by the steadiness of hormone levels is favored by most women who tried it. I ran across this article
a few minutes ago when I was digging up the other part of your answer: http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/birthcontrol/a/cntnusbcuse.htm
In part, this is what they had to say,
Dr. Sulak feels that it is "remarkable" not just how eager women were to try this change in how they took their birth control pills, but how easily they were able to incorporate the change. "A large number of women chose to continue the extended regimen of real pills for long periods of time and indicated that the quality of their lives greatly improved."

This retrospective study was conducted by Dr. Sulak over seven years as she counseled patients about the way they took their monophasic 30-35 mcg oral contraceptives to decrease the unwanted symptoms of menstruation (migraine headaches, cramps, PMS.)

During the study, women were given the option of extending their use of the 'real' pills contained in the usual 21/7 day regimen. Women were able to choose to extend their use of the homone-containing pills for six, nine, or 12 weeks or until their body naturally developed breakthrough bleeding. When women reached their chosen number of weeks or when breakthrough bleeding occurred, women were advised to stop the Pill for three to seven days and then resume the extended birth control regimen with the hormone-containing pill.
This is just a thought of course, but I would think that not only would it be ok to be on BC while using var or whatever, but you might even want to use it for the entire time.

So, that's pretty much all I know about you crazy creatures;)

Van
 
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wow! Thank you. had to read it a few times to fully understand lol.

One of my main consirns is in the past i have had weight gain wile on certian BC methods, was hoping low dose AAS would allow me to be off BC, but atleast now i know i can run the two and all will be well.

Thank you so much for your time and investigation into this matter.
 
Zandria said:
wow! Thank you. had to read it a few times to fully understand lol.

One of my main consirns is in the past i have had weight gain wile on certian BC methods, was hoping low dose AAS would allow me to be off BC, but atleast now i know i can run the two and all will be well.

Thank you so much for your time and investigation into this matter.

The weight gain is directly tied to the estrogen and progesterone. Water retention, increased fat depositation are the two main things that these two hormones will do to you in that regard. You need to get a low dose BC to minimize this effect.

I would say that you could run anavar and progesterone in lieu of estrogen and progesterone for BC, but I don't think you can get away from the progesterone completely. And progesterone causes alot of the scale weight you observe due to the water retention.
 
Van, that looks like some good research. Keep up the good work!

MaxRep
 
Zandria,
The following studies were done specifically with women and anabolics to determine the effect on menstruation and pregnancy. Simply as general knowledge, I think you'll find them interesting.

Best regards,
MaxRep

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1: Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1975 Jan 1;121(1):121-6.
Perturbations of the human menstrual cycle by oxymetholone
* Cox DW,
* Heinrichs WL,
* Paulsen AC,
* Conrad SH,
* Schiller HS,
* Hezl MR,
* Herrmann WL.
The luteolytic activity of oxymetholone, and anabolic steroid, has been evaluated in 10 women. Administration early in the follicular phase of the cycle inhibited ovulation and prolonged the duration of the cycles in 2 of 3 subjects, but treatment beginning on Day 10 (3 subjects) did not prevent ovulation, although subsequent plasma progesterone concentrations were reduced. Treatment after ovulation (4 subjects) suppressed progesterone levels by 50 to 80 per cent and shortened cycle length by 6 to 8 days. Side effects were weight gain and bromosulfophthalein retention. The most likely mechanisms producing these perturbations are the inhibition of luteinizing hormone release early in the cycle and, later, inhibition of progesterone biosynthesis.

PIP: 10 ovulating women were treated with oxymetholone in 1 of 3 ways: 1) 50 mg twice daily every other day starting on the sixth day of the treatment cycle (early follicular phase), 2) 50 mg twice daily every other day starting in the late follicular phase (tenth day), or 3) 100 mg daily starting in early luteal phase. 2 women treated in early follicular phase had ovulation suppression and cycles prolonged 9 to 10 days, with progesterone suppressed by ovulated, and a third had a 71% suppression of progesterone. In the third group, cycle lengths were shortened due to a luteal phase shortening of 6 to 8 days, with progesterone values decreased 53 to 81%. Side effects noted were: weight gain (9 out of 10 patients) transient nausea, and increased bromsulphalein retention

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1: Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1973 Sep 1;117(1):121-5.
Induction of premature menstruation with anabolic steroids.
* Bolch OH Jr,
* Warren JC.

PIP: To determine the mechanism of the effect of certain anabolic steroids on menstruation induction and to evaluate this effect as an interceptor of early pregnancy, the luteal phase length was studied in the cycles of women ranging in age from 21 to 37 years after postovulatory treatment with 7 different anabolic steroids. Basal body temperature records were kept and endometrial biopsies were obtained late in the pretreatment control periods to confirm ovulation.

2 steroids which had been proven to shorten the luteal cycle phase were administered as follows: Nandrolone phenpropionate was given in a daily 50-mg dose intramuscularly for 3 days. 30 mg of oxymetholone was administered orally every 6 hours for 4 days. The previously untested steroids were administered orally in evenly divided doses every 6 hours for 4 days as follows: oxandrolone, 60 mg daily; stanozolol, 28 mg; methandrostenolone, 60 mg; fluoxymesterone, 40 mg; and ethylestrenol, 30 mg.

Plasma progesterone and gonadotropins were measured by radioimmunoassay of blood samples taken 7 days after ovulation. Nandrolone and oxymetholone were found to significantly shorten cycle and luteal phase lengths and depress plasma LH and progesterone levels as compared to control cycles. Nandrolone also significantly depressed plasma FSH levels. Of the 5 new drugs, only ethylestrenol significantly shortened luteal phase length (p less than .001). This finding is questioned by the small sample size and thus the use of this steroid as a menstruation inducer is considered questionable. The mechanism of the effect of nandrolone and oxymetholone appears to be due to their antigonadotropic action that only secondarily reduces progesterone levels. Whether these steroids can affect human chorionic gonadotropin and thus cripple the corpus luteum and interrupt early pregnancy needs further research.
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MaxRep said:
Van, that looks like some good research. Keep up the good work!

MaxRep

Thanks Max! I try...


BTW - HOly sHiT! giving women Anadrol! At 100mg Ed?!?! What were those guys thinking?:rolleyes:
 
Zandria said:
I know i should ask on the womens forum, but they dont get answered as fast as this one.

I stoped taking Birth Controll pills for a wile, i make my BF wear a condom. hes getting fusterated and wanted me on BC again. I had a few questions regarding BC and winny/var/primo. If one is on a cycle of winny/var/primo is a woman more fertile or less fertile? And how would taking the female hormone effect it? If wile on winny/var/primo a woman is temparly sterile then i can say cool and wait till after a cycle to start on them.

And i say winny/var/primo as in a single cycle, not all three at once.

I'd say any of these steroids is going to have inherent virilization properties to them, which may or may not alter the effectiveness of oral (or other) contraception methods...

I'd further say that the way to get the proper answer for this question is from a qualified obgyn doctor, or better yet, endocrinologist. I dont hink I'd trust my body to unqualified individuals from a forum... plus, on top of that, it would be prudent to have your serum levels continually tested by said professional while using said steroids, so they can make a continued diagnosis for treatment while using.

In my personal opinion, for what it's worth to you, this is the only answer that there is for this question if you want to safegaurd your health.

You need qualified help and the methods for testing that can only be provided by a proper health care professional. Sorry, there truly are no short cuts.
 
GearMan said:
I'd further say that the way to get the proper answer for this question is from a qualified obgyn doctor, or better yet, endocrinologist.

You must be kidding? No disrespect intended my friend, but are we living in the same world?

I'm friends with a number of Dr's, there are Dr's in my family and I doubt there is even 1 in a hundred Dr's, even in the fields you mention, who will have the slightest idea as to the answer to her question.

Sure, every single Dr. will have an opinion, which will unanimously include "don't do it", but it won't be an opinion backed up by science or proof because this isn't a subject they study. As it's illegal to be prescribing anabolic steroids to women outside of medically approved reasons, of which there are extremely few, there is a valid reason why this isn't studied.

There might be 1 in a thousand Dr's who has researched and studied this topic. Of course her chances of finding the one Dr., are slim to none. I would further guess that her chances of having her:

"serum levels continually tested by said professional while using said steroids, so they can make a continued diagnosis for treatment while using."

are essentially zero.

Best regards,
MaxRep
 
GearMan said:
I'd say any of these steroids is going to have inherent virilization properties to them, which may or may not alter the effectiveness of oral (or other) contraception methods...

I'd further say that the way to get the proper answer for this question is from a qualified obgyn doctor, or better yet, endocrinologist. I dont hink I'd trust my body to unqualified individuals from a forum... plus, on top of that, it would be prudent to have your serum levels continually tested by said professional while using said steroids, so they can make a continued diagnosis for treatment while using.

In my personal opinion, for what it's worth to you, this is the only answer that there is for this question if you want to safegaurd your health.

You need qualified help and the methods for testing that can only be provided by a proper health care professional. Sorry, there truly are no short cuts.


Tell me GearMan, do you apply this same ethical standard to your own AAS use? With a name like "GearMan" I'm certian that your use of AAS is not limited to clinically approved HRT protocols.
 
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