Best compounds to boost Cardio for an Old martial artist

ITPP was very effective when it was (briefly) available. Recently, MOTS-C has proven about just as good. It didn't really start taking effect for me until the last few vials of the kit, though. I've always wondered, however, if by making intensity "easier" if we're shortchanging ourselves of the adaptations we want to take place. Or, since we're able to produce more at the same intensity, do those same adaptations occur anyway?
 
ITPP was very effective when it was (briefly) available. Recently, MOTS-C has proven about just as good. It didn't really start taking effect for me until the last few vials of the kit, though. I've always wondered, however, if by making intensity "easier" if we're shortchanging ourselves of the adaptations we want to take place. Or, since we're able to produce more at the same intensity, do those same adaptations occur anyway?
I believe MOTS-C just allows your mitochondria to produce more energy and any adaptations are short lived. This has also been my personal experience with it.
 
I believe MOTS-C just allows your mitochondria to produce more energy and any adaptations are short lived. This has also been my personal experience with it.
That is my experience also, even with using SS-31before an during. Felt good when it worked, wasn't worth it to keep using it.
 
That is my experience also, even with using SS-31before a during. Felt good when it worked, wasn't worth it to keep using it.
I agree. Once I got a feel for it I would use it for a work up before a comp and during a comp. It is too expensive to run year round.
 
I think at lower doses you could run eq indefinitely with your trt, tbol I’d run as a cycle 8-12 weeks depending on your labs.
Im kinda getting curios about adding EQ to my trt. Seems like fairly mild side effects compared to others. and it is a "performance" AAS. Getting some mixed info on dosage though. Any thoughts?
 
Before you start injecting shit, have you used caffeine? Get some tablets from Amazon for almost nothing and take them before you train. Whether it’s BJJ, lifting, or cross country running, caffeine helps.

It’s one of like 3-4 (legal) supplements that actually works and makes a serious difference. There’s also no downside except maybe sleep disruption and addiction.

Edit - Overtraining feels like the flu. Body aches, headache, fuzzy cognition, maybe even a slight increase in body temperature. It occurs in the context of lots of training with inadequate rest and food. If this is you, go to a Mexican restaurant and get their biggest combo platter, then go home to sleep for as long as you can.
Caffein is no bueno. As i noted in another post, it actually does opposite effect to endurance, by elevating my heart rate.
 
Im kinda getting curios about adding EQ to my trt. Seems like fairly mild side effects compared to others. and it is a "performance" AAS. Getting some mixed info on dosage though. Any thoughts?
It is a very individual thing. Here is a good article on it. You need to test your E1 levels while running it so you can get an idea of how you respond. Here is a really good article. I think I have had to read it 4-5 times but it really helped me understand things.


Depending on how you respond, you might have to run your test higher.
 
Im kinda getting curios about adding EQ to my trt. Seems like fairly mild side effects compared to others. and it is a "performance" AAS. Getting some mixed info on dosage though. Any thoughts?
I realized I didn’t give you too much direction in my last post.

I am of the opinion that a lot of the bad reports are from low estrogen. EQ is a very long ester so slowly titrating up is difficult. I would have some test P on hand to add on top of your TRT if you start getting the low e2 sides or a bunch of anxiety.

I do daily injections so you might need to adjust based on what you are used to doing. I would pick a smaller dose like 200-300 of EQ. Double the dose for the first week and then go with the normal dose to front load just a little. Add the test p to your dose as needed. Once everything stabilizes, you will know your ratios and can use long esters out of the gate later on. I am a low aromatizer so this is my method. If you aromatize a lot, this might be overkill.
 
I thought of something I used in the army and actually have not seen it mentioned anywhere on here. It is KYNOSELEN. It’s a veterinarian drug for race horses. I could run like the fucking wind on this stuff. I smoked this Asian Staff Sargent on an all sprint after a long platoon run. I weighed probably 215 at the time. He couldn’t believe it. lol I might try to dig some up.
 
I thought of something I used in the army and actually have not seen it mentioned anywhere on here. It is KYNOSELEN. It’s a veterinarian drug for race horses. I could run like the fucking wind on this stuff. I smoked this Asian Staff Sargent on an all sprint after a long platoon run. I weighed probably 215 at the time. He couldn’t believe it. lol I might try to dig some up.
It’s like lipoc and that sort of things from china. Just a nutrition supplement not a drug
 
It’s like lipoc and that sort of things from china. Just a nutrition supplement not a drug
I did go find some really old posts about it and from a bodybuilding review, it seems to have a limited use. I just know from my limited use that my cardio output greatly improved. I found a “human safe” version that you can buy online. Not sure if it is necessary. I did not have issues with the original.
 
GLP1s, lose weight, TRT dose, time, and consistency.
thats been my approach, and i can run for days.
This has been the formula for me. I've been working hard on my cardio over the past year, and included a 3 month cycle of test, eq, and npp. I felt spry while on cycle but it didn't seem to help my cardio much if at all. When it comes time for me to floor it towards a 5k PR, I do better when I'm on 250mg/week test.
 
I just want to point something out, mostly I want to keep this thread alive because there is not a ton of martial arts information on here and this topic really interests me.

I know I brought up running when referring to kynoselen so I am guilty here too but steady state cardio only gets you so far. Martial arts, specifically grappling utilizes all 3 energy systems. I regularly see larger gym bros coming in and think their strength is a larger factor but it doesn’t get them far. I do not crush new students, I do not think it does anyone any good. So for me these are very much a flow roll where we move through positions. These gym bros usually only make it 1-2 rounds and a lot of them walk off the mat to puke. On the other side you have the conditioned runner and you impart some pressure and control and they usually shut down from muscular fatigue. Given time their energy systems will adapt and most importantly their skill will improve. I think people’s styles are heavily influenced by their natural dominant energy system. I am a super heavy weight but I have a pretty good gas tank so I lean towards a more mobility based strategy which is outside of the norm for my weight division.

So this whole rant is to say just more steady state cardio and TRT(especially for masters athletes) might not be enough. The type of cardio training is important and higher doses of anabolics might be necessary to prevent catabolism and facilitate recovery. Just like BB nutrition is of the utmost importance.
 
I'm not sure what the original assertion is, but caffeine has been shown to improve aerobic power output in cyclists quite definitively.
To everyone who suggest caffein- It may work for some people, and not for others. Also largely depends on type of activity. Beside " feelz, I monitor my regular training by heart rate band. Anytime i take stimulants ( like caffein), it shows increased time spent in max heart rate, also my HR doesnt recover as fast during the breaks. Another somewhat related fact: 2 plus decades ago when i was actually fighting Muay Thai ( mostly in Thailand), trainers would NEVER use stimulants pre fight. In case if you don't know- Thailand is the capital of energy drinks and birthplace of Red Bull. While, Im the guy whos asking for advise, but also , i do have some knowledge on sups / nutrition, that helped me to stay competitive (training , not fighting) into my late 40's. While caffein was counter productive for me personally , Beta-alinine, beetroot, l'argenine and niacin actually helped (not all taken at once, obviously).
 
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