BioLogic Pharmaceuticals

[BR1217]

Yea that's why I volunteered to get tested. Since Raider wasn't sure how his levels reacted to test. I knew I should be up there pretty good on 600mg. But that sucks for you, only 1500-2000 on 400mg. How much do you run on cycle?

I usually run 600mg on cycle, usually with 600 ND.

 

[Zaphod]

Any ED issues with that much ND since your test runs low? I've been wanting to bump my Deca up but I'm worried my girlfriend would be upset Lol

 

[BR1217]

I ran 1500mg/week for a couple months years ago, before I started TRT and my test number came back 5565. Pretty high but not sure if its high for that amount of Test.

 

[BR1217]

My TRT doc claims that anything above 1500ng will show limited ROI, meaning that at 1500ng you are in a very good anabolic state with limited sides, anything above that will start to show sides and isn't proportionate in terms of dose. IE 1500mg/week isn't twice as good as 750mg/week and the ratio of gains to sides gets worse the higher you go. Again, my TRT docs info, not mine.

 

[Zaphod]

I agree after a certain point you would start getting diminishing returns. But 1500mg a week is a lot of test. I would except to be in the 8000's but I've never ran over 600mg, so I can't say for sure

 

[BR1217]

Im going to look around for a chart that gives expected test ranges for a given amount of Test/week. Im sure ive seen something like this before. I will post it if I find a credible one.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

My TRT doc claims that anything above 1500ng will show limited ROI, meaning that at 1500ng you are in a very good anabolic state with limited sides, anything above that will start to show sides and isn't proportionate in terms of dose. IE 1500mg/week isn't twice as good as 750mg/week and the ratio of gains to sides gets worse the higher you go. Again, my TRT docs info, not mine.

My understanding is anything over 3000 doesn't make sense..

Anyway, holy shit!! 400mg/week gets you to 2000? And that's your TRT dose?? Damn... I guess it's true, we all metabolize it differently..

 

[BR1217]

My understanding is anything over 3000 doesn't make sense..

Anyway, holy shit!! 400mg/week gets you to 2000? And that's your TRT dose?? Damn... I guess it's true, we all metabolize it differently..

3000 could be right JB. I am starting to see that my dose (400mg) should be raising my test levels much higher. I wonder what causes my range to be so low? Going to have to look into this.

 

[BR1217]

I wonder if the fact that I have been on TRT for years plays any role in the lower test number? I don't believe androgen receptors down regulate as some have theorized. I wonder if my AI is causing skewed numbers, no evidence shows adex does that. Not sure but very curious.

Sorry Stretch, didn't mean to hijack your thread.

 

[azazul]

trying to place an order but his site is not allowing me to register. nothing happens when i click on it.
Anyone else have this issue?

 

[Spyder]

For me and being on TRT for several years - .8 ml a week(split up twice a week .4) puts me just over 800 (if I remember correctly like 820-840 somewhere in that range) and I always have my blood work done on the 2nd day of my last shot (thurs evening shot blood is done on sat) and always around 10am.

 

[BIGMESC]

What browser are you using. I had trouble with explorer try another

 

[noah_k]

trying to place an order but his site is not allowing me to register. nothing happens when i click on it.
Anyone else have this issue?

No sir. Do you have javascript enabled or something like noscript installed? When you click it, the stuff should slide up and show email/pass/confirm pass. Try a different browser maybe?

 

[Zaphod]

For me and being on TRT for several years - .8 ml a week(split up twice a week .4) puts me just over 800 (if I remember correctly like 820-840 somewhere in that range) and I always have my blood work done on the 2nd day of my last shot (thurs evening shot blood is done on sat) and always around 10am.

200mg/ml or 250mg/ml?

 

[Spyder]

200mg/ml or 250mg/ml?

200

 

[Zaphod]

I had bloods done on 150mg a week. I injected three times a week, .2 or 50mg. And it had me in the 1300's. doc made me go down to 100mg's a week. But I have only been on trt for a year.

 

[azazul]

No sir. Do you have javascript enabled or something like noscript installed? When you click it, the stuff should slide up and show email/pass/confirm pass. Try a different browser maybe?

thanks man, got in after changing JS blocker

 

[Spyder]

Dam java!

 

[BR1217]

For me and being on TRT for several years - .8 ml a week(split up twice a week .4) puts me just over 800 (if I remember correctly like 820-840 somewhere in that range) and I always have my blood work done on the 2nd day of my last shot (thurs evening shot blood is done on sat) and always around 10am.

That lines up with what I experience on 200mg/week. I always came in between 700-800 on this dose. I always take my shot on Monday morning and have blood drawn on Thursday morning. It is probable that my number is actually a little higher on Tuesday and Wednesday. Thanks Spyder.

 

[Pericles]

Im going to look around for a chart that gives expected test ranges for a given amount of Test/week. Im sure ive seen something like this before. I will post it if I find a credible one.

That would be awesome. On the other hand, I would not want to be linked to that "study".

Anecdotally, it has been my experience that 1.5 grams of test weekly is the sweet spot for a smaller body builder (five 6, 180 lbs 5% bf) and 2-2.5 grams for a larger bber (5 10 290 lbs). There are also important variables based upon genetics and training effort. In the words of Ronnie Coleman "everyone wanna get big, but no one wants to lift no heavy ass weight."

Of course they will be using other compounds, at least 3, preferably more. The sad part is, and again my evidence is anecdotal, I worked w/ a guy who, come pre-contest time, was on 3-4 grams a gear per week. However, he refused to train hard, and had not been off in 4 years. We started a back workout by doing 15 reps of lat pull-downs @ 130 lbs. I bumped up the weight to 180 (eventually doing 12 reps w/ 240). He refused to go over 150 lbs. I was "WTF?" and he said he was training smarter, not harder.

Ironically, he fired me, then hired a local IFBB pro, who charges double what I charge for contest prep work. They had a falling out, and I am actually working w/ that pro for the Toronto pro show 15 weeks from now.

My main point is that the amount of gear you use is contingent on training, genetics, cardio etc. The local pro, in addition to training hard, also won the genetically lottery. But he also busts his ass in the gym. That is a theory I have, and that theory posits that hard core training boosts the metabolism, especially metabolic turnover. That will result in lower test scores.