BioLogic Pharmaceuticals

[whontime]

Yeah, but for a while, I had tried generics, and I was looking for a way to try Pharm Grade GH without spending $800+ on a full kit. This is a great opportunity, to spend $125 on a 15iu pen, and run 2iu/day for 2 weeks to compare the generics that a lot of people have tried to the pharm grade that few have tried.

I agree with this. I guess my main concern is, say I get on pharm grade and love it and then I can't source another pen? Its what scares me about the GH market, availability of good GH is hit or miss these days and constantly being able to source pharm grade... unless you wanna throw down for a sero kit is tough. $500 plus per month for GH is sort of a luxury item to me too. If I could work it into my budget, I think your price point is more than fair though.

 

[biggerben69]

Yeah man. I work for a supplier that sells both types now, so I feel I am at more liberty to give my true opinion.

As long as these Rips from HK stay the way they are now.....I have no desire to run pharm grade GH unless it costs $2/iu.

I am going to try the Nord pens....just because everyone speaks so highly of them. But other than that, I have no desire to pay a 400% markup for a label.

GH blood serum levels don't fucking lie...If you buy pharm grade GH you are paying for a label, and peace of mind knowing you are getting exactly what the label says, and nothing more or less. Which is DEFINITELY worth something...I just don't like when some people act like anyone who buys generics is retarded...the idea of that has been proven false by members here with bloodwork...over and over again.

Now...my opinion and a question. The rips test...from HK and TP are the only generics that test out with any consistency. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. HK also sells hyges. Ask HK and he will tell you that his rips are more consistant.
With that being said, the rips test high, but they come with what some call "ridiculous" water retention that you don't get with pharm grade gh. As a matter of fact guys that take high dosed of seros, nords, omnis(10-12iu's) talk about waking so ripped every morning no matter what they eat and drink that they feel and look kind of flat. Slin takes care of that but leads me to ask the question......why? WTF is in rips that causes the water retention that pharm grade doesn't?
I'm listening to guys say they would only run rips if they were competing(and couldn't afford pharm)because they could stop 2 weeks out and shed the water. They would not choose rips if they didn't have a target because they say u really only truly see what the rips have done when u come off? If they want to stay "on" they would choose hyges from HK because the water doesn't come with hyges.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you said a "400%" markup? You don't mean markup from the retail price to the black market?
What's funny about the Black Market is that price is set by what the Market can bear...what folks can/will pay. Without insurance a 126iu kit of Serono Serostim is about $2,500. Not gonna happen on the street. Right now I know of legit sources for 126iu sero kits that are asking and getting $650 for that kit. Seros are the most abundant(what you're most likely to see)
Stretch and the price he's asking for the pens is very competitive. I don't know of anyone lower or legit sources offering right now. When I do the price is a bit more.
I'll qualify my statements with the fact I've never used rips or other generics. I've only used seros and am at this time once again on but only at 2iu;s/ed dowm from my regular 4iu's. My real first go was started about 6 or 7 months ago but came off after my head injury and with what came as a result. I was out of the gym for about 2 months. I had more expenses had to allow my issue to go to another to enjoy as I needed the cash. Things have loosened up a bit where I can justify 2ius/ed again.
Another thing to keep in mind, unless your rips are coming from 1 of 2 sources you can't be certain they are the real deal. Getting burned once closed the price difference.

 

[Stretch]

Now...my opinion and a question. The rips test...from HK and TP are the only generics that test out with any consistency. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. HK also sells hyges. Ask HK and he will tell you that his rips are more consistant.
With that being said, the rips test high, but they come with what some call "ridiculous" water retention that you don't get with pharm grade gh. As a matter of fact guys that take high dosed of seros, nords, omnis(10-12iu's) talk about waking so ripped every morning no matter what they eat and drink that they feel and look kind of flat. Slin takes care of that but leads me to ask the question......why? WTF is in rips that causes the water retention that pharm grade doesn't?
I'm listening to guys say they would only run rips if they were competing(and couldn't afford pharm)because they could stop 2 weeks out and shed the water. They would not choose rips if they didn't have a target because they say u really only truly see what the rips have done when u come off? If they want to stay "on" they would choose hyges from HK because the water doesn't come with hyges.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you said a "400%" markup? You don't mean markup from the retail price to the black market?
What's funny about the Black Market is that price is set by what the Market can bear...what folks can/will pay. Without insurance a 126iu kit of Serono Serostim is about $2,500. Not gonna happen on the street. Right now I know of legit sources for 126iu sero kits that are asking and getting $650 for that kit. Seros are the most abundant(what you're most likely to see)
Stretch and the price he's asking for the pens is very competitive. I don't know of anyone lower or legit sources offering right now. When I do the price is a bit more.
I'll qualify my statements with the fact I've never used rips or other generics. I've only used seros and am at this time once again on but only at 2iu;s/ed dowm from my regular 4iu's. My real first go was started about 6 or 7 months ago but came off after my head injury and with what came as a result. I was out of the gym for about 2 months. I had more expenses had to allow my issue to go to another to enjoy as I needed the cash. Things have loosened up a bit where I can justify 2ius/ed again.
Another thing to keep in mind, unless your rips are coming from 1 of 2 sources you can't be certain they are the real deal. Getting burned once closed the price difference.

The water retention is definitely noticeable. Perhaps if I had run the Seros straight through for a longer period, the water would have shed, and I would have noticed the difference more clearly.

When I said 400% markup I was referring to differences in the average prices.

I would say the average price of generics to be $2/iu VS $8/iu for pharm grade.

Perhaps $2/iu VS $6/iu would be a little more accurate? I get carried away sometimes.

 

[BuffnStuff]

You asking this question and saying you can't decide between the 2 should have you banned for life from bio. I can see Stretch shaking his head reading your post.
I wouldn't be surprised if Stretch reimbursed you for the order you place with astro as a thanks to you for not ordering from bio. Who was your source that fell off? The kid from the gnc going away to school that used to sell you supps for half price out the back door?

It amazes me how much of a tool you are.. the shit that comes out your mouth is priceless. Do you ever have anything insight full to say? Or you just always spew Doo Doo from your mouth? Fuck you should reimburse me on the brain cells I lost reading your retarded ass comment. Your a grown ass man..grow the fuck up and act like one

 

[weekend]

Do the pens have a reusable needle?

My parents are potentially interested.

 

[TheHamburglar]

^^^click pens do not utilize reusable needles as that would be unsanitary.

Click pens need needles that can easily be purchased from a drug store, just ask for BD 31g or Novafine 32g (if they have them), you can get a box of 100 for just under $50. If anything just tell them you need needles for an insulin pen.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

It amazes me how much of a tool you are.. the shit that comes out your mouth is priceless. Do you ever have anything insight full to say? Or you just always spew Doo Doo from your mouth? Fuck you should reimburse me on the brain cells I lost reading your retarded ass comment. Your a grown ass man..grow the fuck up and act like one

I thought his post above yours on GH was pretty insightful..

The answers to your questions are easily found on the website and in this thread should you bother to look around.

 

[Stretch]

^^^click pens do not utilize reusable needles as that would be unsanitary.

Click pens need needles that can easily be purchased from a drug store, just ask for BD 31g or Novafine 32g (if they have them), you can get a box of 100 for just under $50. If anything just tell them you need needles for an insulin pen.

This...

However, I myself, and the rest of the guys I know, we just drain the cartridge with a standard 29g insulin syringe, then do our injections with the insulin syringe. Fuck the pen, and their special needles

 

[biggerben69]

It amazes me how much of a tool you are.. the shit that comes out your mouth is priceless. Do you ever have anything insight full to say? Or you just always spew Doo Doo from your mouth? Fuck you should reimburse me on the brain cells I lost reading your retarded ass comment. Your a grown ass man..grow the fuck up and act like one

Well, buff. I gave up on trying to make everyone like me a long time ago. Not sure if you can tell. I have to tell you that you and astro do not make a formidable team as far as matching up with me on anything that comes to mind having to do with what we do here at Me so, the "Community", or more likely than not anywhere else.
Perhaps your issue with me has to do with your seeing something about me that you see in yourself and it makes you uncomfortable? Don't be afraid. If you're able, embrace it, nurture that part of you. I assure you that it can only help the rest of whatever it is you've got going on.
Another bit of advice that you didn't ask for but could help you.....don't insult Stretch's friends in his threads. He doesn't care for it, kiddo. Good luck to you.

 

[TaoPhD]

I know these praises have been sing many times before but Stretch is a stand up guy. I paved an order and thefe was some shipping problems so he personally took cafe of my SMALL order and made sure it got here plus threw in a little extra on his own. Then when I got the order there was a slight mix up with some of the product. He again personally had the right product sent out. I offered to pay for something but he refused. Not only that but he was prompt and courteous with each message I sent him. My order was small and he could easily have blown me off but he didn't. This is just another exanple of why he and the company he reps for are golden. Thank you Stretch

 

[BuffnStuff]

Well, buff. I gave up on trying to make everyone like me a long time ago. Not sure if you can tell. I have to tell you that you and astro do not make a formidable team as far as matching up with me on anything that comes to mind having to do with what we do here at Me so, the "Community", or more likely than not anywhere else.
Perhaps your issue with me has to do with your seeing something about me that you see in yourself and it makes you uncomfortable? Don't be afraid. If you're able, embrace it, nurture that part of you. I assure you that it can only help the rest of whatever it is you've got going on.
Another bit of advice that you didn't ask for but could help you.....don't insult Stretch's friends in his threads. He doesn't care for it, kiddo. Good luck to you.

I don't have an issue with you. It seems like you have an issue with me though. I just ask why I should choose one over the other and you put me on blast. I didn't know my question was that insulting to get a response like that. But thanks for the advise though....Good luck to you also

 

[Stretch]

I know these praises have been sing many times before but Stretch is a stand up guy. I paved an order and thefe was some shipping problems so he personally took cafe of my SMALL order and made sure it got here plus threw in a little extra on his own. Then when I got the order there was a slight mix up with some of the product. He again personally had the right product sent out. I offered to pay for something but he refused. Not only that but he was prompt and courteous with each message I sent him. My order was small and he could easily have blown me off but he didn't. This is just another exanple of why he and the company he reps for are golden. Thank you Stretch

So...basically you're saying we are completely fucking retarded....but we're really nice guys...LMFAO.

Thanks...I guess?? LOL

Can we please keep the reviews to a minimum guys?

No one is supposed to be reviewing anything about our service to the open forum without first asking me. I don't blame Tao, because everyone does it, but it says clearly on our list not to review without asking permission first.

This policy only applies to positive reviews. If we fuck you, and refuse to make it right...then post away.

 

[TaoPhD]

So...basically you're saying we are completely fucking retarded....but we're really nice guys...LMFAO.

Thanks...I guess?? LOL

Can we please keep the reviews to a minimum guys?

No one is supposed to be reviewing anything about our service to the open forum without first asking me. I don't blame Tao, because everyone does it, but it says clearly on our list not to review without asking permission first.

This policy only applies to positive reviews. If we fuck you, and refuse to make it right...then post away.

Shit, that's not how I meant it... great FML...

 

[Stretch]

I don't have an issue with you. It seems like you have an issue with me though. I just ask why I should choose one over the other and you put me on blast. I didn't know my question was that insulting to get a response like that. But thanks for the advise though....Good luck to you also

It's really easy to THINK Ben has a problem with you, when he doesn't.

He doesn't mince words.

But, you have to admit, you asked a dumb question.

Gee...let me think...Astro or Biologic.

I'm not saying it's a dumb question because I think Biologic is SOO MUCH BETTER...maybe it is...maybe it isn't..my opinion isn't worth shit on the topic...

The point is; any smart person would want to compare Astro and Bio. Not take someone else's word for it. This is why many Bio customers, have also tried Astro's gear. Because they are smart to check around, and see what others are offering.

So, I'm saying it's a dumb question because you only have 5 weeks to order from Bio. Then you might be waiting until next summer if you want to try them. So obviously you order from Bio during the window...(it's only $150 minimum) then order from Astro in a month or two and you can compare.

Ben was just saying the same thing in a 'not so nice' way. And he was 1000% right with his first post.

I was "shaking my head" when I read that you were "debating" on which lab to choose. It was a dumb fucking question, and you deserved to get poked a little bit. It's okay bro...I ask dumb fucking questions all the time. Everyone does. You just didn't think the situation through completely before you asked a question...big deal.

This is a locker room environment. Leave your feelings at the door. Ben is our Richie Incognito...period.

 

[Stretch]

Shit, that's not how I meant it... great FML...

I'm not even a little bit annoyed with you brother. Leave alone, mad/pissed/upset with you.

Seriously.

I know what you meant by your review. I don't think anyone else would read it and think anything bad about us. But I am sick of us being logistically retarded. It's aggravating.

Everyone reviews. Obviously, no one notices that little disclaimer at the bottom of our list. It's not your fault, you just happened to be the one I quoted when making the announcement for it to stop.

 

[TaoPhD]

I'm not even a little bit annoyed with you brother. Leave alone, mad/pissed/upset with you.

Seriously.

I know what you meant by your review. I don't think anyone else would read it and think anything bad about us. But I am sick of us being logistically retarded. It's aggravating.

Everyone reviews. Obviously, no one notices that little disclaimer at the bottom of our list. It's not your fault, you just happened to be the one I quoted when making the announcement for it to stop.

Ok. Thank you. In the future I will ask no matter who's product I talk about. Thank you for being understanding about my idiocy

 

[BuffnStuff]

It's really easy to THINK Ben has a problem with you, when he doesn't.

He doesn't mince words.

But, you have to admit, you asked a dumb question.

Gee...let me think...Astro or Biologic.

I'm not saying it's a dumb question because I think Biologic is SOO MUCH BETTER...maybe it is...maybe it isn't..my opinion isn't worth shit on the topic...

The point is; any smart person would want to compare Astro and Bio. Not take someone else's word for it. This is why many Bio customers, have also tried Astro's gear. Because they are smart to check around, and see what others are offering.

So, I'm saying it's a dumb question because you only have 5 weeks to order from Bio. Then you might be waiting until next summer if you want to try them. So obviously you order from Bio during the window...(it's only $150 minimum) then order from Astro in a month or two and you can compare.

Ben was just saying the same thing in a 'not so nice' way. And he was 1000% right with his first post.

I was "shaking my head" when I read that you were "debating" on which lab to choose. It was a dumb fucking question, and you deserved to get poked a little bit. It's okay bro...I ask dumb fucking questions all the time. Everyone does. You just didn't think the situation through completely before you asked a question...big deal.

This is a locker room environment. Leave your feelings at the door. Ben is our Richie Incognito...period.

My skins just about as thick as my head..no feelings hurt here.I'm new to this forums I don't know much about you our Astroor let alone anybody so I figured I'd try to hear it from the horses mouth. I'm just looking for something same quality just cheaper from what I can get. I know I'd be a fool to not order from you guys since its a referral only. Thanks for the reply

 

[Stretch]

My skins just about as thick as my head.

Then good.

You will fit in perfect.

You're allowed to dish it out too ya know....

 

[Juice n Goose]

Hey stretch what how is your ETA after payment is received? I'm looking to by a few cycles and I'm stuck between you and Astro. Since my main source that I've been going threw just fell off. Ended up taking orders from me and other people and just disappeared. Are you a referral only?

Am I losing my mind? Did I really just read what I think I did??

That has got to be the ballsiest(and dumbest) post I have EVER READ!!!!!!

Go ahead and bash me if you want..but I stand by my assessment!!

Good Lord!![}]

Goose

 

[fit2beking]

:tiphat[]==[]:wine:

Am I losing my mind? Did I really just read what I think I did??

That has got to be the ballsiest(and dumbest) post I have EVER READ!!!!!!

Go ahead and bash me if you want..but I stand by my assessment!!

Good Lord!![}]

Goose

Not bashing you at all Mr Juice, but I think it was pretty much squashed with Stretch's assessment of his post. He made a mistake and has acknowledged it. No need to keep bashing him IMO. :wine: