Tbaz192
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Yeah all the elevated labs I had major sides also mixed with low iron sides. Felt like a corpse for months
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I'm also in the "don't donate" camp. Although there does not seem to be smoking gun evidence that elevated HCT is harmful, there is some evidence to suggest that it may be, and everything we know about heart disease and thrombosis also lends itself to that conclusion from a common sense standpoint. I believe that it is probably atherogenic in the long term. Obsess over it? Maybe not, but it seems like a good idea to keep it down to 50 or lower as much as you can.
I've never donated myself, but I've seen too many stories like Tbaz192's, and it's consistent with what we know about the mechanism by which our bodies produce red blood cells. It seems clear that phlebotomy is not an ideal solution.
Personally, Telmisartan and nattokinase have helped to reduce my HCT, but as I understand it, they are not effective for everyone. Unfortunately for our gainz, the only surefire way to safely and reliably lower HCT is to lower our AAS doses.
I've never donated myself, but I've seen too many stories like Tbaz192's, and it's consistent with what we know about the mechanism by which our bodies produce red blood cells. It seems clear that phlebotomy is not an ideal solution.
Personally, Telmisartan and nattokinase have helped to reduce my HCT, but as I understand it, they are not effective for everyone. Unfortunately for our gainz, the only surefire way to safely and reliably lower HCT is to lower our AAS doses.
adrenalytic
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If you are on anything more than TRT then you are right to be cautious. They give that blood to kids and babies. If you must donate, come off everything but a TRT dose of test first.
Pretty sure they do a lot of filtering and mixing before hand but they generally ask you to be steroid free. You can do a theraputic phlebotomy and theyll just throw it away so it wont effect anyone.
Has there been any compound in particular that effected you more than others?
Nandrolone is by far the worst for me. Cranks my HCT up even on a small dose. Way more than the same dose of test - or really anything, for that matter. It's one of the reasons I'll never use it again.
Tbaz192
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->Omegas - classic supp
Lowers blood viscosity
Slightly suppresses excessive erythropoiesis
-> Natto - under used
Reduces blood thickness
Does not directly lower RBC count, but lowers clot risk and viscosity pretty solid.
-> Grape Seed Extract- newer supp I’ve been taking.
Small but real effect.
Improves endothelial function
Lowers blood viscosity
Helps microcirculation
Helps with Inflammation as well
-> Quercetin - next supp I’m gonna try
Especially helpful if inflammation or iron dysregulation is involved.
Chelates iron
Reduces erythropoietic signaling
Mildly lowers hematocrit over time
Also take taurine, arginine, and citrulline for blood flow and pumps.
And some others
Pulled my lowest HCT on these - 50 HCT
Lowers blood viscosity
Slightly suppresses excessive erythropoiesis
-> Natto - under used
Reduces blood thickness
Does not directly lower RBC count, but lowers clot risk and viscosity pretty solid.
-> Grape Seed Extract- newer supp I’ve been taking.
Small but real effect.
Improves endothelial function
Lowers blood viscosity
Helps microcirculation
Helps with Inflammation as well
-> Quercetin - next supp I’m gonna try
Especially helpful if inflammation or iron dysregulation is involved.
Chelates iron
Reduces erythropoietic signaling
Mildly lowers hematocrit over time
Also take taurine, arginine, and citrulline for blood flow and pumps.
And some others
Pulled my lowest HCT on these - 50 HCT
Comming from 51 ?
Drink more water and take 4gr DHA/EPA daily.
Longer on 55+ do several blood lettings/donations
Tbaz192
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Coming from 53/54 HCT. Hydrated on TRT.
I never will donate.
Rip to all ferritin.
Prob didn’t see my other post above. I have iron issues.
Tbaz192
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No matter the supplementation, from what I’ve read in a few places. You can only expect 1-3 point change in HCT. Seems I’ve achieved that. So I’ll call that a good experiment
Photon
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Mfras
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HCT had crept to 52 in Sept, gave blood early Oct. Since then spent some time on 300mg test w 80 deca 150 mast plus a 6 week experiment titrating up trenbolone. Been back on 160mg low TRT for a little bit- next bloods in a couple or few weeks but went ahead and gave a pint of whole blood today.
Thick blood seems to be the first thing that gets more than a c-hair out of range for me.
Thick blood seems to be the first thing that gets more than a c-hair out of range for me.
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