Brew comes out looking like gel...?

[Jet Labs]

The first part of my answer was thanks to a @janoshik test, also you didn’t tell me about that you cooked it, that changes things.

Also what i told you is that you can’t have a bacteriological infection related to the raws itself, it can be done by bad brewing and sterility measures.

Extreme pip from shitty raws can cause hard lumps where blood is not able to flow thus it starts to rot and thus an infection from shitty raws even when completely sterile.

Don't try to tell me otherwise cause I've experienced this myself back in 2009 from shit test-e. Good day

 

[Skarpyona]

word, can do.
i'll keep the heat significantly lower and prioritize my stirrer to do its job more

legitimately i didn't use high heat until i tried to "fix" my brew and save it.. whatever happened on the first go around is still kinda lost on me tbh though

same with the PVDF/PES.. will grab one

might keep the mig.. might switch to GSO.. i bought an assload of MIG so i might at least try a 5ml batch and see before i order GSO

switching to test c... @OllieJacobs has helped me out greatly and has been responsive.. maybe this'll save another dude a bad time

That's fair. I'll be honest, I was reading your post diagonally and saw the keywords of high heat, pes filter, as well as test e and mig so pain was pretty much guaranteed lol.

Right, so low heat to help speed up dissolving the solution is fine

For filters, you can use PVDF, PTFE, or Nylon. I have used all three successfully and many have used them too. If you end up with non sterile filters it's an easy fix. Run some GSO through it and you will be right as rain. Be sure that the subsequent brew you filter will be strained into a different, sterile gl45 media bottle.

You don't have to get rid of the Mig, thats your choice. Some guys like it, I can't stand the stuff. I'd recommend doing a sample run of GSO only to eliminate possibilities of incompatibility or mistakes elsewhere in your process. After that, feel free to reintegrate some.

If you have any questions don't be shy to shoot me a PM

 

[Kamon]

That's fair. I'll be honest, I was reading your post diagonally and saw the keywords of high heat, pes filter, as well as test e and mig so pain was pretty much guaranteed lol.

Right, so low heat to help speed up dissolving the solution is fine

For filters, you can use PVDF, PTFE, or Nylon. I have used all three successfully and many have used them too. If you end up with non sterile filters it's an easy fix. Run some GSO through it and you will be right as rain. Be sure that the subsequent brew you filter will be strained into a different, sterile gl45 media bottle.

You don't have to get rid of the Mig, thats your choice. Some guys like it, I can't stand the stuff. I'd recommend doing a sample run of GSO only to eliminate possibilities of incompatibility or mistakes elsewhere in your process. After that, feel free to reintegrate some.

If you have any questions don't be shy to shoot me a PM

thanks boss, honestly do appreciate the help from yall

Extreme pip from shitty raws can cause hard lumps where blood is not able to flow thus it starts to rot and thus an infection from shitty raws even when completely sterile.

Don't try to tell me otherwise cause I've experienced this myself back in 2009 from shit test-e. Good day

haha thank you, just cause im agreeable on even this forum doesnt mean im an idiot, everything was sterilized extremely well by a legit autoclave and a very clean enviornment

i likely did mess up when trying to fix things but again - the first round was ungodly painful.. honestly after i did the high heat and .22 PES the pain actually did go down but was still very noticeable

thank you for the help

 

[lifter6973]

Not sure how I missed being tagged here, but here's what I see wrong/suggest.

First off go with test-cyp for now on as test-e is hit or miss when it comes to crippling pain.

Next mig840 is reported to cause extreme pip for some so add that with bad test-e and you have a horrible product.

Lastly I see that you are using PES filters for filtering, well BA/BB AND mig840 dissolve PES filters so switch to NYLON, PTFE OR BEST IS PVDF. PES filters are for water solutions with no solvents.

As to why the pre filtered solution is a syrup I have no clue, but I suggest switching to a high quality MCT oil.

fuckin right on mig 840- sometimes mct too- whats so bad about gso and cso these days, hardly anyone using those anymore

 

[Jet Labs]

fuckin right on mig 840- sometimes mct too- whats so bad about gso and cso these days, hardly anyone using those anymore

I used gso and cso for years and now I use mct oil for everything as it's amazing. Here's one reason why:

I brewed some test-prop in gso and it had good pip and same deal when I tried in cso, but when I did the exact same recipe with same raws, but with mct oil it was 100% pip free and smooth as butter so yah mct always now, but only the same brand I started with

 

[Skarpyona]

fuckin right on mig 840- sometimes mct too- whats so bad about gso and cso these days, hardly anyone using those anymore

I'm currently playing around with MCT, but GSO has been my boo for over 8 years. She's my main queen I'll never leave. MCT is just my side chick.

I have a hit and miss relationship with MCT. I have had god awful reactions from UGLs using MCT, my own personal brew with MCT is fine, although a vial here and there may leave me tender. I don't know what kind of black magic, virgin sacrificing, Hocus Pocus @JetsFan does with his, but every single one of his brews has been smoother than a marble rolling on glass.

 

[Jet Labs]

I'm currently playing around with MCT, but GSO has been my boo for over 8 years. She's my main queen I'll never leave. MCT is just my side chick.

I have a hit and miss relationship with MCT. I have had god awful reactions from UGLs using MCT, my own personal brew with MCT is fine, although a vial here and there may leave me tender. I don't know what kind of black magic, virgin sacrificing, Hocus Pocus @JetsFan does with his, but every single one of his brews has been smoother than a marble rolling on glass.

 

[lifter6973]

So it seems differences in PIP with MCT have more to do with the quality of the MCT being used and possibly other solvent ratios are off.

 

[Jet Labs]

So it seems differences in PIP with MCT have more to do with the quality of the MCT being used and possibly other solvent ratios are off.

I think that is the case yes. This is the mct I use, it's from Popeyes and it's awesome.

 

[Skarpyona]

So it seems differences in PIP with MCT have more to do with the quality of the MCT being used and possibly other solvent ratios are off.

MCT is well documented to being overall less well tolerated than some of the traditional oils like GSO and CSO. However while picking @JetsFan brain about MCT, he mentioned high quality oil is the key. For whatever reason, cheapo Walmart-esque MCT gives significantly more PIP for reasons I do not have the answer for.

 

[lifter6973]

I think that is the case yes. This is the mct I use, it's from Popeyes and it's awesome.

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Interesting. Popeyes? I don't brew so I don't know the names of the best places. The quantity is odd to me at 946 ml instead of 1L. Only thing that matters is that it doesn't cause PIP.

 

[Jet Labs]

Interesting. Popeyes? I don't brew so I don't know the names of the best places. The quantity is odd to me at 946 ml instead of 1L. Only thing that matters is that it doesn't cause PIP.

Popeyes is a supplement store here in Canada I have no idea why it's not an even 1L lol

 

[Oroku_Saki]

Popeyes is a supplement store here in Canada I have no idea why it's not an even 1L lol

Because it's originally marketed with Imperial units, 32 us FL.oz or something... You find these odd numbers quite often on American supplements.

 

[Test_Subject]

i cooked the mixture 2 seperate times for 1 hour each @ 185c oil temp

You’re making test not fucking French fries.

That’s way, way too hot for way too long. I’d be surprised if the hormone isn’t fully degraded at this point.

 

[Jet Labs]

Baking the test-e product doesn't get rid of the awful pip. If anything it makes it worse. I lost almost a kilo of test-e cause it was horrible pip

 

[Heavy Iron]

Baking the test-e product doesn't get rid of the awful pip. If anything it makes it worse. I lost almost a kilo of test-e cause it was horrible pip

Yeah fuck test e

 

[Kamon]

Baking the test-e product doesn't get rid of the awful pip. If anything it makes it worse. I lost almost a kilo of test-e cause it was horrible pip

Yeah fuck test e

yeah ive read a significant amount of problems with test e, my thought was it was the carbolic acid giving the pip, what i read was that it needed to be heated up significantly to evaporate it out..

while it did actually reduce the pip..it gave me a false sense of hope.
i think it reduced the pip in other ways and unfortunately killed my brew

the initial pain of test E (brewed at low temps.. swear) was not from the carbolic acid and likely from the test-6 or just simply bad raws

the after pains (after the high heat) were probably the PES filter degrading into my media bottle.. but the raws evaporated away entirely and i guess i had no pains from that anymore!

yikes.

im working with @OllieJacobs right now over wickr and he's been very understanding so far