building the perfect beast. anyone read it?

[WD40]

I just read "building the perfect beast", and i've come to that conclusion that longer cycles of the same chemicals are crap. what are your thougts on that, you guys whom have read the book.

 

[einstein1905]

Just because someone has the money to have their ideas published, doesn't make them correct. I have the book. There is lots of good info in their. However, there is also lots of antiquated dogma in there that most of us have grown to learn isn't the best way to go about things.

 

[seand95]

Just because someone has the money to have their ideas published, doesn't make them correct. I have the book. There is lots of good info in their. However, there is also lots of antiquated dogma in there that most of us have grown to learn isn't the best way to go about things.

i have the book as well and am open to discuss it as much as i can. i think his approach is really interesting, minus the site inj protocols... thats too much, but hey maybe the elite guys are doing stuff like that. i would like to know what part you thought were "antiquated dogma"?
i mainly intersted in his ideas because i can buy his max anabolic phases and his idea of how the body will quickly turn to a catabolic state if put at stress too long. i guess we all know that, especially me from my experience. im also very turned on by his approach because it really might keep you from suffering negative side effects, you know the nasty ones that wait 3-4 months to show face. by loading up then laying off, it may reduce the suppression on your own system, not to mention the fact that it could and i believe would, have less of an effect on lipid profiles. very intersting read so far. what do you think?

 

[einstein1905]

His claims that the vast majority of gains are made in the first 30 days.....his "blast" cycles. His idea that "homeostasis", although he doesne't define the factors that he groups into this generic term, overwhelm anabolic effects in a short period. Pyramiding of doses, although worthwhile with very short-estered gear. His understanding of the science behind things is sub par too.

Short "blast" cycles are ideas from back in the 80's. There's good reasons why we've all evolved onto longer cycles. Those ideas were more pertinent back when the proper use of anti e's both during a cycle and primarily for pct were less well-understood and effectively used. Proper use of anti e's can thwart a lot of the factors contributing to "homeostasis".

I'll post something I wrote regarding longer cycles:

This was a recent post at AR, and I think it's an interesting topic, so I'm posting it up over here for anyone to add to or contradict:

Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Hi bros,
First most of us know that Androgen Receptor sites do not "burn out" this is hogwash in fact the opposite is true, the AR upregulate and muliply to make use of all the new high concentrations in blood....the reason you need to increace AS doses after a few cycles is because of the added muscle mass ( more AR sites) from previous cycle. NOW how do i keep on growing during a say 20 week cycle? Assuming diet, rest, training etc is good is there anything that can be done to maximize AAS caused growth? the one i know that slows down cycle muscle gains of is the SHBG increase, which i can combat with the use of proviron+insulin. Are there any other growth-slowing actions i should know about? thanks guys.


einstein1905:

I've posted my theory on AR receptors over prolonged exposure to supraphysiological doses of AAS over time. ARs are upregulated initially in response to increased ligand (AAS) concentrations. However, it's been shown in vitro (but not yet in vivo) that ARs do downregulate over time, when exposed to constant high levels of AAS (test). Androgens lower SHBG levels, whereas estrogens increase SHBG levels, so utilizing sufficient anti e's throughout a cycle can have advantages from many different standpoints. During an AAS cycle, if sufficient anti e's are used, your bioavailable AAS (akin to bioavailable test in a "natural" athlete) will be much higher than when not on cycle. SHBG will creep up over time, but your % bioavailable test should still be much higher than off cycle. A couple things to try during the latter half or latter 1/3 of a longer cycle would be to incorporate proviron and/or to slightly increase doses (but plan your starting doses with this in mind). I'm in now way a proponent of big doses. Your body seeks homeostasis by many mechanisms and will adjust to Xmg/wk of AAS. Increasing that dose after a long run at a constant dose has the potential to increase expression of ARs once again. Another thing that many do is to add in more androgenic compounds towards the end of their longer cycles, which can again lower SHBG levels in addition to providing their inherent anabolic and androgenic effects.

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

Also, another thing I have learned is when gains stop comming on it's ususally because your calorie intake needs to be bumped up.........

einstein1905:

This can't be stressed enough. I should have mentioned that before anything else I said. You NEED to maintain a fairly excessive positive caloric intake to grow big.

 

[einstein1905]

The body does not convert to a catabolic state during longer cycles. The ability of AAS to effectively block corticosteroid receptors greatly reduces the effects of cortisol-mediated catabolism. As for your lipid profile, proper use of anti e's can keep your lipid profile well within range.

 

[seand95]

The body does not convert to a catabolic state during longer cycles. The ability of AAS to effectively block corticosteroid receptors greatly reduces the effects of cortisol-mediated catabolism. As for your lipid profile, proper use of anti e's can keep your lipid profile well within range.

what i have noticed is that my acne gets out of control, might be because of acne and that the lenght of time you take off results in some big losses in gains. ok, maybe nothing more than 5-8 lbs but the joints start to really ache, you cant train balls to the walls and im basically not as motivated (this of course a result of partly placebo, but mainly due to low androgenic influence on your brain). im sure that the longer cycles have to be used for these guys that take on a 16 wk contest prep. but me for now, i might experiement with these short blasts just because it will allow me to train to near exhaustion for 4-5 wks then come down for 3 weeks, train with moderate poundages, then get back on the horse.
on last thing. my most lengthy cycle consited of 1000-600mg wk of test enan, and for the first half EQ, then Deca for the last half (16 wk total cylce). with 10mgs of nolv a day, by the end of my cylce, my total cholesterol was 150-160 dont remember which, but my HDL's were 22! not as low as it could get but, that is recognized as being far too low for someone of my age (22).
i will get my blood tested again at the end of this week. my 6 week cycle just ended today. cant wait to see what my numbers will look like now

 

[einstein1905]

HDL does drop during a cycle, but nolva does help to reestablish appropriate levels. If you were also using an AI, this would account for lowered HDL too. My HDL stays w/in range when using a combination of Adex and nolva.....cardio and clean diet is a must too. Policosanol is another excellent option to improve lipid profiles.



Another thing that people are going to misconstrue from A.L.Rea's ideas (although not really his), are that typical gear will work for these short cycles. You can't use EQ and deca for a 4-5 week cycle and expect anything but moderate shutdown and some sides. The esters are far too long to allow for the buildup of an effective plasma level.

DC has a similar philosophy on cycling, 4-5 weeks on and then a low dose of test bridge for a few weeks, but the "on" periods utilize AAS with esters appropriate for a short cycle, the prop, phenylprop, and acetates.

 

[jimanold22]

Hey bro's this is a very interesting post.Keep it going.I'm very interested because on longer cycle's I stop growing pretty much after the 9th week.Also like Seand95 with joint's start aching sometimes hurting after I'm of cycle for around 5-6 weeks.I thought it was caused by growing to fast or I thought maybe I was trining to heavy.You guys have cleared these issues up a little for me.keep it up.

 

[einstein1905]

Hey bro's this is a very interesting post.Keep it going.I'm very interested because on longer cycle's I stop growing pretty much after the 9th week.Also like Seand95 with joint's start aching sometimes hurting after I'm of cycle for around 5-6 weeks.I thought it was caused by growing to fast or I thought maybe I was trining to heavy.You guys have cleared these issues up a little for me.keep it up.

Not to sound too arrogant, but look at some of the things I said regarding longer cycles and means to counteract the plateau that comes with them. Far too long have I heard people preaching against ending cycles with higher androgenic compounds.....the opposite makes more sense to maintain levels of bioavailable AAS and counteract mounting SHBG and increased estrogen to androgen ratios. Another thing, longer cycles will not be nearly as effective when NOT using an AI. As the cycle progresses, estrogen levels will mount, which greatly increases SHBG levels. The "keep anti e's on hand" stuff is also a product of the days of shorter cycles....it's no longer applicable for optimal growth, since cycles have evolved into 10-15 week cycles on average.

 

[jimanold22]

Hey bro,Your not being arrogant.I did read the post about counteracting long cycle plateau's.I was not sure exactly about the use of anti-e's.Correct me if im wrong.In longer cycle's you want estrogen level's to be high to keep SHBG level's up?Im also not sure about this statement.


However, it's been shown in vitro (but not yet in vivo) that ARs do downregulate over time, when exposed to constant high levels of AAS (test). Androgens lower SHBG levels, whereas estrogens increase SHBG levels, so utilizing sufficient anti e's throughout a cycle can have advantages from many different standpoints.

Maybe I'm not catching what your saying exactly.

 

[jimanold22]

You say to use sufficient anti'e's throughout.I know A-dex would keep estrogen from being produced.So are you saying to use nolva to block the site,But allowing estrogen level to be free in the body.Thus enabling SHBG levels to stay up,and aiding in keeping lipid profile's in range?

 

[einstein1905]

Hey bro,Your not being arrogant.I did read the post about counteracting long cycle plateau's.I was not sure exactly about the use of anti-e's.Correct me if im wrong.In longer cycle's you want estrogen level's to be high to keep SHBG level's up?Im also not sure about this statement.


However, it's been shown in vitro (but not yet in vivo) that ARs do downregulate over time, when exposed to constant high levels of AAS (test). Androgens lower SHBG levels, whereas estrogens increase SHBG levels, so utilizing sufficient anti e's throughout a cycle can have advantages from many different standpoints.

Maybe I'm not catching what your saying exactly.

Using an AI throughout a cycle will keep estrogen levels lower than w/o an AI. since estrogen increases SHBG, and SHBG binds AAS molecules and effectively renders them inert, the use of an AI throughout a cycle will keep estrogen and therefore SHBG levels lower, which allows for a higher % of bioavailable AAS. Similarily, adding androgenic compounds (winny, var, tren, proviron) towards the end of a cycle can also lower SHBG levels. The benefits of nolva are twofold: a) to increase HDL and lower LDL, b) to serve as an estrogen receptor antagonist in the breast to prevent gyno symptoms.

 

[Tank01]

einstein1905.... I love reading your posts


very informative... keep going!

 

[freak]

this is a good thread.

 

[krom]

Einstein 1905 you definately have my undivided attention with your posts. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and theories with us.