Bulk/Cut in one cycle (i know what your thinking)

[trypsin]

Hi all.

New to these forums but not to the science.

I have a cycle im going to test out and was gonna run it by yall see your opinions.

Pre's:
29 years old
6'0 205 12%bf

First cycle (25y)
Test e only 10wks
Kept abt 16 lbs after pct

Second cycle (27y)
Test e only again 10wks
Lean gains only abt 10 lbs after pct
Had anavar but backed out of using it because i ordered it mid cycle and didnt come in till my last week of pins (shipping took almost 2 fkn months)

Amiridex on hand both cycles never had to use it.

So for my third cycle i wanted to experiment just a bit. I wanted to get some lean gains but instead of doing test with mast or tren, i think this way will be better for controlling fat ;

1-12 500mg Test E (only reason i dont want p is because of the pins)
1-2 30mg Dbol
3-4 40mg Dbol
10,12-14 60mg anavar (planned but will be adjusted)
1-5 12.5 Amiridex

And this is where itll get tricky.

Weeks 1-4 is a bulk with 500 above maintance
Weeks 5-8 are bulk with only 300 above
Week 9 bulk 500 above and a KETO diet
Week 10-12 300 below
Week 13 500 below
Week 14-18 maintenance on keto some days a little bit more


I have become pretty good at counting calories as i make my meals in bulk every sunday.

I know that dbol and anavar are 17aa and are hepatoxic which is why the dbol dose isnt 50 and why anavar will be used with breaks.

Also I know tren would be the actual better choice for this cycle and then i wouldnt have to deal with all this but i really dont want to take tren yet. Maybe when im bigger and more experienced.

Pct standard nolva and clomid.
Will be running bloods week 0, 8 and 18

Thoughts? Concerns? Insults?

 

[luex]

Why bulk/cut in the same cycle? Not really a good idea in my opinion, but to each their own. Bulking for 9 weeks then cutting for 3 weeks isn’t optimal..I’d stay focused more on one goal at a time for more of an extended period of time. Must be tryin to look good for summer eh?

 

[trypsin]

Why bulk/cut in the same cycle? Not really a good idea in my opinion, but to each their own. Bulking for 9 weeks then cutting for 3 weeks isn’t optimal..I’d stay focused more on one goal at a time for more of an extended period of time. Must be tryin to look good for summer eh?

Exactly haha. I thought i could just cut but i want to be 215 10%bf....

Plus id like to see what my body can do if i tune everything right

 

[Docd187123]

What do you think one week of a KETO diet above maintenance will do for you?

 

[trypsin]

What do you think one week of a KETO diet above maintenance will do for you?

No its not one week of keto its keto for the rest of the cut. Maybe even after. My body responds to the lowered insulin really great

 

[Hawkins]

Just cut body fat naturally until the start of your cycle. You'll be leaner, more insulin sensitive and grow better.

Not a fan of restricting calories while PCT'ing and trying to keep new muscle tissue... I've tried it and the weight (new tissue) falls off before your set point changes.

 

[Britz]

You seem impatient. I wanna be bigger and more cut up too, but I’ll do it the old fashioned way. Bulk cycle, cut cycle. Give it a try, but like most who have come before you with this idea, you will be disappointed. Just my thoughts.

 

[trypsin]

Just cut body fat naturally until the start of your cycle. You'll be leaner, more insulin sensitive and grow better.

Not a fan of restricting calories while PCT'ing and trying to keep new muscle tissue... I've tried it and the weight (new tissue) falls off before your set point changes.

Ill be eating a little bit over maintanance(adjusted) during pct though.
Did you eat under or maintenance during your pct?

You seem impatient. I wanna be bigger and more cut up too, but I’ll do it the old fashioned way. Bulk cycle, cut cycle. Give it a try, but like most who have come before you with this idea, you will be disappointed. Just my thoughts.

I agree but i figure that i want to gain a lbm amount i could gain during an 8 week test/dbol and spend the rest of the cycle in maintanance and cut phase with the added benefit of aas.

 

[Docd187123]

No its not one week of keto its keto for the rest of the cut. Maybe even after. My body responds to the lowered insulin really great

I misread your post.

 

[Britz]

Go for it man. I just think you would be further ahead down the line with classic cutting and bulking cycles. But, everyone has different goals in mind with cycles. Good luck.

 

[trypsin]

I misread your post.

Np i wrote it in one stroke kinda confusing.

Go for it man. I just think you would be further ahead down the line with classic cutting and bulking cycles. But, everyone has different goals in mind with cycles. Good luck.

Thanks man i probably will. If i dont ill cut and drop the dbol and maybe up the anavar to 80mg

 

[Hawkins]

Sounds like you've got a plan nonetheless...
Best of luck, man.

-H

 

[luex]

I agree with @Hawkins approach to cutting naturally first then bulking up, this is what I’m doing currently.
@Britz clever avi man

 

[ironwill1951]

its not the traditional way of doing it but theoretically it should work.
why adex for 5 weeks and then ceasing it when your leaving your test dose the same?

 

[The Size Game]

in my opinion anavar is a little expensive for results it gives not to mention its almost like using dbol to grow then taking anavar to counteract it. I strongly believe if you keep a 90 percent clean diet and run a long test cycle with compounds like tren, mast, winny, eq, winstrol you can def get big and be lean to , also with cardio as needed to suit ur physique type, use anti e as needed monitor it with your sex drive, if it decreases you prob are doing to much anti e

 

[trypsin]

Sounds like you've got a plan nonetheless...
Best of luck, man.

-H

Thanks. Will update when i start

its not the traditional way of doing it but theoretically it should work.
why adex for 5 weeks and then ceasing it when your leaving your test dose the same?

Ive never tried dbol and i read its got some sides. Also trying to control the bloating.

I dont run it with test cause in my previous cycles it hasnt been an issue but i have on hand just in case.

Should i run it all the way through?

in my opinion anavar is a little expensive for results it gives not to mention its almost like using dbol to grow then taking anavar to counteract it. I strongly believe if you keep a 90 percent clean diet and run a long test cycle with compounds like tren, mast, winny, eq, winstrol you can def get big and be lean to , also with cardio as needed to suit ur physique type, use anti e as needed monitor it with your sex drive, if it decreases you prob are doing to much anti e

I already have the anavar on hand.
I might add winny but as for tren/mast, i want to wait till i have more cycles under my belt