BigRed91
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Just had surgery in february and my surgeon said he removed the whole gland and im pretty sure he put a tiny bit of fat back in under the nipple to prevent any cavitation.
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Can Gyno really come back after surgery?
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brutalbuilt
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very rare
JC Grifter
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And if/when you burn that fat off? I’m sure he meant he removed all the gyno. Regardless still use caution going forward on cycles.
It absolutely can. However it is rare and it should only happen in someone who has out-of-control estrogen for a long time. IMO the biggest variable besides that is whether your surgeon did a FULL gland removal or not.
The "standard" that most plastic surgeons do is to cut away roughly 70% of the gland to shrink it down. Then maybe to liposuction to get rid of fat in the area and be able to sculpt the chest to the shape they want it to be.
The best gyno doctors do FULL gland removal, where they cut out like 99% of the gland--they scrape away as much as possible. Then they do a chest sculpt, usually all the way from the upper pec insertion points down to the bottom of the pec and sometimes even the serratus muscle area.
With the former, you still have a fair amount of gland there that can be agonized by estrogen and thus, start to enlarge again, turning into a case of gyno. This is still very rare, but for steroid users it is important to know. I think anyone who had gyno and had partial gland removal should always keep pharma ralox on hand, enough to run 120 mg for 4 weeks then 60 mg for 4 more. Also, obviously they should be extra careful to control estrogen levels and I would say avoid substances that are more prone to cause gyno symptoms like MENT, dbol, and possibly tren (for some, like me, tren causes gyno symptoms quite quickly)/
With the full gland removal, you have this super tiny amount of breast tissue left. This means there are SO few estrogen receptors in the tissue, it might as well be zero. However, if someone were to seriously fuck up their estrogen continuously for months and months or even years to get the gyno to come back. You'd really have to be an idiot with no knowledge of how to control estrogen make that happen. Also, for these guys too I say it doesn't hurt (and I recommend) having ralox on hand, just in case).
The "standard" that most plastic surgeons do is to cut away roughly 70% of the gland to shrink it down. Then maybe to liposuction to get rid of fat in the area and be able to sculpt the chest to the shape they want it to be.
The best gyno doctors do FULL gland removal, where they cut out like 99% of the gland--they scrape away as much as possible. Then they do a chest sculpt, usually all the way from the upper pec insertion points down to the bottom of the pec and sometimes even the serratus muscle area.
With the former, you still have a fair amount of gland there that can be agonized by estrogen and thus, start to enlarge again, turning into a case of gyno. This is still very rare, but for steroid users it is important to know. I think anyone who had gyno and had partial gland removal should always keep pharma ralox on hand, enough to run 120 mg for 4 weeks then 60 mg for 4 more. Also, obviously they should be extra careful to control estrogen levels and I would say avoid substances that are more prone to cause gyno symptoms like MENT, dbol, and possibly tren (for some, like me, tren causes gyno symptoms quite quickly)/
With the full gland removal, you have this super tiny amount of breast tissue left. This means there are SO few estrogen receptors in the tissue, it might as well be zero. However, if someone were to seriously fuck up their estrogen continuously for months and months or even years to get the gyno to come back. You'd really have to be an idiot with no knowledge of how to control estrogen make that happen. Also, for these guys too I say it doesn't hurt (and I recommend) having ralox on hand, just in case).
JC Grifter
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Thank you for taking the time to explain that better then I did.
slarshyeight31
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Great post
KeenObserver
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Mark Plummer, some instagram/youtube guy, got gyno surgery a while ago and if you look at his recent pictures it seems to have come back, and not just in a minor way. Looks like he never even got it taken care of in the first place.
Do you guys think this was due to lack of "preventative measures" such as taking raloxifene while using gear even after surgery?
Or was it due to not enough of the glands being removed and a lot of estrogen receptors being left behind? From what I understand, they never actually take out the entire gland because if they did, blood would not flow to the nipple and it would just die and become a nasty black scab and fall off or cause other messed up looking effects.
I would like to think it's just as simple as "Get gyno surgery, continue, never take AI or SERMs again, and it'll never come back" but I don't think that is entirely true, there has to be more to it than that.
Let me know if I am on the right track here. Thanks for reading.
Do you guys think this was due to lack of "preventative measures" such as taking raloxifene while using gear even after surgery?
Or was it due to not enough of the glands being removed and a lot of estrogen receptors being left behind? From what I understand, they never actually take out the entire gland because if they did, blood would not flow to the nipple and it would just die and become a nasty black scab and fall off or cause other messed up looking effects.
I would like to think it's just as simple as "Get gyno surgery, continue, never take AI or SERMs again, and it'll never come back" but I don't think that is entirely true, there has to be more to it than that.
Let me know if I am on the right track here. Thanks for reading.
BigRed91
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He just had surgery about 3 months ago or a little more i believe, bc it was right before mine and he even said hes got some scar tissue thats built up after the surgery and i have some scar tissue or "soft tissue" as my surgeon calls it. They say it will go away more and more with time, my surgeon says eventually after 6 months to a year itll be completely gone. And it is concerning bc you think gyno came back or they missed something but they say its very common.
1 werk post op i looked perfect and then it got worse to where it seemed like i didnt even have the surgery it felt almost the same as before when u grabbed it. So like weeks 5 to 7 it was the worse looking but now it looks really good but i still have very minor tissue just under nips. So it does go away with time
The results evolve with time. Healing takes a long time. Using a compression vest is important, and so is reducing fluids/keeping fluids steady. The body wants to fill the empty space with fluid, and this expansion process can affect how the scar tissue develops.
If you have persistent scar tissue, ask your doctor for kenalog shots. Kenalog will "eat" the scar tissue and often resolve the problem. But overall, it's best to wait a year or more.....and let the healing evolve.
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