Can I use IGF-1 Lr3 instead of insulin when stacked with HGH?

[BWCguy]

As the title states, can I use IGF-1 Lr3 instead of insulin when stacked with HGH?
The reason I am asking is simple, I can't get hold of insulin and I read (briefly) that igf-1 lr3 can behave similar to insulin. I know this is a very expensive way to use an insulin-like product.

I have used HGH before (e.g., 6 months at 2iu a day), but I am wanting to use a bit more (e.g., 4-8 iu's a day) in conjunction with my AAS use.
I was planning on doing the pre or post workout approach to get my feet wet before I realised how hard it is for me to get insulin.

Goal is just to gain extra tissue without having to overly use AAS. Well more than I am currently.

Would this have a similar response as using high/insulin?

Would I still need to be weary of my blood sugar getting too high as the igf-1 Lr3 wouldn't have the same effect as insulin? I'm aware of Metformin and berberine as an alternative way to possibly manage this

Should I just scrap this idea entirely and just keep looking for insulin?

Apologies in advance for the lack of self-study I've done into this. I was hoping to find someone who has already tried this or has thought it out and decided against it for whatever reason.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

IGF won't function like insulin for that purpose. Where are you that insulin is so much harder to get than IGF?!

 

[BWCguy]

IGF won't function like insulin for that purpose. Where are you that insulin is so much harder to get than IGF?!

That sucks!
I'll find some another way.
I'm in Australia and it is regulated pretty harshly. I can get the igf-1 lr3 from here but not insulin and was hoping this was a way around it.
Thanks for letting me know that isn't the case.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

That sucks!
I'll find some another way.
I'm in Australia and it is regulated pretty harshly. I can get the igf-1 lr3 from here but not insulin and was hoping this was a way around it.
Thanks for letting me know that isn't the case.

None of the international suppliers can get product into Australia?

 

[BWCguy]

None of the international suppliers can get product into Australia?

They can! Just haven't come across insulin being shipped internationally. I'll have another look around actually.

 

[petefox]

Check with BG Pharma, they have Lantus and Levemir and their site only lists Denmark and Norway as areas they don't ship to.

 

[BWCguy]

Check with BG Pharma, they have Lantus and Levemir and their site only lists Denmark and Norway as areas they don't ship to.

I was just looking at them . Thanks for that

 

[erlkonig]

So, I was contemplating using igf lr3 in a similar way... But I was wondering if it was ok to run long term? Most cycle recommendations I've seen are pretty short with a good bit of off time.

I have been running 8iu hgh with 100mcg lr3 for like six weeks and the lr3 kept my fasted glucose around 95. A week off the lr3 and it's crept up to 105.

So I was going to either continue the lr3 or order some lantus? Or drop the gh, which I'd rather not.

Also, I've been taking 1g metformin for a few months now. I just upped it to 1.5g but idk if that will make much difference.

 

[Juicedhead]

As the title states, can I use IGF-1 Lr3 instead of insulin when stacked with HGH?
The reason I am asking is simple, I can't get hold of insulin and I read (briefly) that igf-1 lr3 can behave similar to insulin. I know this is a very expensive way to use an insulin-like product.

I have used HGH before (e.g., 6 months at 2iu a day), but I am wanting to use a bit more (e.g., 4-8 iu's a day) in conjunction with my AAS use.
I was planning on doing the pre or post workout approach to get my feet wet before I realised how hard it is for me to get insulin.

Goal is just to gain extra tissue without having to overly use AAS. Well more than I am currently.

Would this have a similar response as using high/insulin?

Would I still need to be weary of my blood sugar getting too high as the igf-1 Lr3 wouldn't have the same effect as insulin? I'm aware of Metformin and berberine as an alternative way to possibly manage this

Should I just scrap this idea entirely and just keep looking for insulin?

Apologies in advance for the lack of self-study I've done into this. I was hoping to find someone who has already tried this or has thought it out and decided against it for whatever reason.

bro you cant get insulin in aussie OTC? I know there are some sites thatll ship to you shit ill ship you a fuking pen of humalog if you want i have lantus pens too. Also wouldnt recommend using insulin pre and post. For me if i use it pre my workouts are shit cuz im tired idk why but if i train right after shooting slin i will be tired as a bitch while i train even right after a high carb meal (thats prolly why i get tired haha) start with it post training 3-5iu with a shake there are many options with the shake i can tell you my go to if youd like

 

[BWCguy]

bro you cant get insulin in aussie OTC? I know there are some sites thatll ship to you shit ill ship you a fuking pen of humalog if you want i have lantus pens too. Also wouldnt recommend using insulin pre and post. For me if i use it pre my workouts are shit cuz im tired idk why but if i train right after shooting slin i will be tired as a bitch while i train even right after a high carb meal (thats prolly why i get tired haha) start with it post training 3-5iu with a shake there are many options with the shake i can tell you my go to if youd like

Are you kidding me? Without a GP? Lol
I ended up getting lantus from BP and running 20-30ius EOD with 5ius HGH on top of Test/Mast (1000/400). I'll keep that in mind cause I'm probably going to lay off the lantus soon. No issues yet but just to be in the safe side.

 

[Juicedhead]

Are you kidding me? Without a GP? Lol
I ended up getting lantus from BP and running 20-30ius EOD with 5ius HGH on top of Test/Mast (1000/400). I'll keep that in mind cause I'm probably going to lay off the lantus soon. No issues yet but just to be in the safe side.

oh nice. Idk much about lantus, im considering using it. I have heard that is lowers insulin sensativity and should not be used for muscle building purposes but I see a lot of guys using it. Idk I guess I will have to do some research, some guys say yeah its benefical, other guys say no dont use it. what do you think of the lantus?

 

[BWCguy]

oh nice. Idk much about lantus, im considering using it. I have heard that is lowers insulin sensativity and should not be used for muscle building purposes but I see a lot of guys using it. Idk I guess I will have to do some research, some guys say yeah its benefical, other guys say no dont use it. what do you think of the lantus?

So far so good I think. Only up a bit of weight (4-5kg), but surprisingly leaned out a bit. Appears to make me feel rounder and makes my veins pop up a bit. Cycle feels sooo much better than when I using say test/deca/eq. I would say it is way better but I'm still not superman by a long shot lol. I got lantus because it is supposedly meant to cause the higher igf count compared to other insulins. Something about the ingredient glargerine, also may be carcinogenic but that may be because of the igf boost. Well that's what I got from a study I read. I am trying to have breaks every four weeks or so if I remember for a week or so, and I'm doing it EOD to help offset the insulin sensitivity issue. So far no issues with blood sugars though.

 

[BWCguy]

oh nice. Idk much about lantus, im considering using it. I have heard that is lowers insulin sensativity and should not be used for muscle building purposes but I see a lot of guys using it. Idk I guess I will have to do some research, some guys say yeah its benefical, other guys say no dont use it. what do you think of the lantus?

So is insulin OTC without needing to see a GP?

 

[Juicedhead]

So is insulin OTC without needing to see a GP?

oh yea you can walk intothe pharmacy and demand you want humalin r and they will say ok. humalog needs a script but you can get humalin r otc thats the one that peaks twice its just regular ole insulin. the first time i got insulin i got it from walmart otc and needles they were happy to help me with that. actually i think humalin r is more anabolic than humalog i noticed huge gains on that shit

 

[Juicedhead]

So far so good I think. Only up a bit of weight (4-5kg), but surprisingly leaned out a bit. Appears to make me feel rounder and makes my veins pop up a bit. Cycle feels sooo much better than when I using say test/deca/eq. I would say it is way better but I'm still not superman by a long shot lol. I got lantus because it is supposedly meant to cause the higher igf count compared to other insulins. Something about the ingredient glargerine, also may be carcinogenic but that may be because of the igf boost. Well that's what I got from a study I read. I am trying to have breaks every four weeks or so if I remember for a week or so, and I'm doing it EOD to help offset the insulin sensitivity issue. So far no issues with blood sugars though.

do you ever feel hypo?

 

[BWCguy]

do you ever feel hypo?

Only randomly once. I usually do it first thing in the morning with breakfast. One day I didn't eat, had a coffee and started working. Couple hours later I went hypo and just ate like a pig for a while. Felt like crap for a few hours afterwards. A part from that not once.

 

[LSDPowerlifting]

I was trying to get up the nerve to mainline 50mcg of lr3 a while back to see if it had an affect on bg, but I guess inbound have needed des or increlex. If I was looking for that affect.

 

[BigTomJ]

bro you cant get insulin in aussie OTC? I know there are some sites thatll ship to you shit ill ship you a fuking pen of humalog if you want i have lantus pens too. Also wouldnt recommend using insulin pre and post. For me if i use it pre my workouts are shit cuz im tired idk why but if i train right after shooting slin i will be tired as a bitch while i train even right after a high carb meal (thats prolly why i get tired haha) start with it post training 3-5iu with a shake there are many options with the shake i can tell you my go to if youd like

I do 5iu humalog right before my pre workout meal (1hour prior to training) and right before my post workout meal (immediately post workout) and feel absolutely fantastic for my workout.


You might be taking too much pre or not having enough carbs, you need roughly 10g of carbs over what you would normally have per iu of humalog