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Can touching a barbell in the gym get you sick with the coronavirus?
- Thread starter Michael Scally MD
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The welcome news that two companies, Pfizer and Moderna, have apparently created safe and effective vaccines against COVID-19 raises immediate questions about distribution.
Given initially limited supplies, which vulnerable populations—such as health-care workers, other essential workers, the elderly, prisoners, and those with underlying health conditions—should be given priority?
And how will federal, state, and local governments coordinate the daunting logistical challenges of transporting vaccines that must be stored at extremely low temperatures?
Yet if the short-term issue is how to ration the vaccines, in a few months we may face its mirror image: how to persuade the vast majority of Americans to get vaccinated?
Although over 90 percent of American children are vaccinated against polio, measles, and chickenpox, survey data released last week revealed that only 58 percent of adults express willingness to receive a COVID-19 vaccine.
While that number is higher than it was in September, it may not be high enough to provide the sort of herd immunity needed to protect those people with medical conditions that make vaccination especially risky or to enable a return to pre-pandemic lifestyles more broadly.
No doubt the first line of attack in seeking to boost vaccination rates should aim at overcoming skepticism. A transparent vaccine approval process and depoliticization of the issue could go a long way towards limiting resistance to a fringe group of hardcore anti-vaxxers.
What if that process fails? Could government mandate vaccination for people who lack valid medical reasons why a generally safe and effective vaccine would pose an unacceptably high health risk for them?
Villain
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The easiest way to cut through all the fraudelent tests and lying statistics is to compare total deaths from this year with previous years. If we have a real pandemic, we would expect to see far higher numbers. What we actually see is lower numbers proving there is and was no pandemic. It’s been created by diagnosing people as with Covid while they die of all the normal things people have always died of.
Du
how do you death numbers are real?
the world is actually fake....
we actually dont exist.
orange juice is actually made from bananas.
your actually a lion.
covid is not even real.
all the doctors came up with this elaborate scheme and they are all working against us.
if we all get information from fake info. Why is your info real?
dude what is wrong with you?
how do you death numbers are real?
the world is actually fake....
we actually dont exist.
orange juice is actually made from bananas.
your actually a lion.
covid is not even real.
all the doctors came up with this elaborate scheme and they are all working against us.
if we all get information from fake info. Why is your info real?
Or could it be that mask wearing and social distancing and better hygiene have actually helped decrease deaths from other things? I had a doctor tell me that the overall number of deaths was not that much more this year (he may have been talking locally to where I live) and said that the caution due to Covid was helping decrease deaths in other areas. Now he did go onto say that he was not in favor of living like this as he believes there is more to count than just deaths, ie mental health, abuse, etc., there are costs to this. But yes it is very possible overall deaths are relatively flat but Covid is also real. While I don’t think this is a hoax I think we would be foolish to not think certain people or organizations are not taking advantage of this real situation, that is what people do. Does it make better news to talk about the 90 year old who got Covid and had mild symptoms or the 16 year old who caught it and died? Are some, not all, govt employees possibly enjoying exercising a little power, being the “hero”, having a legacy? You better believe it, that’s part of the carrot on the end of the stick to run for office.
Villain
Member
Deaths are the same. If covid was a huge pandemic, the numbers would be way up there. They’re not.
Villain
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I normally enjoy your posts and some of your logic in this post makes sense. It’s just very ironic that deaths from 2020 aren’t skyrocketed far above 2018, like they should be if we had such a huge pandemic. It’s already been shown that other diseases and deaths “seem” to have declined while covid deaths are higher yet the overall death count isn’t higher. If it looks like bullshit and it smells like bullshit...
So then the death count is bullshit.
Whether its higher or lower we will never know.
are you basing your info off US or the world?
Villain
Member
Mainly the US since that’s where a lot of the BS is emanating from.
Yes, I forgot to add an important point this doctor said. Many of the people who died would have died anyways. Doctor said this not me. So yes in many cases Covid is not increasing deaths overall it is just causing the death instead of other things. That is a fact not many want to talk about.
Also with all the talk of cancel holidays so people will be here next year, many will die from non Covid related causes and not be here next year and many have missed out on their last holiday with a loved one. It is true some lives were saved by this, but the last thanksgiving for many will also have been lonely. No easy answer to this stuff, most only want to look at one side.
In excruciating pain with lesions on her face and scalp, Tracey Fine lay for 13 hours on a gurney in an emergency room hallway.
All around her, Covid-19 patients filled the beds of the hospital in Madison, Wisconsin. Her nurse was so harried that she could not remember Ms. Fine’s condition, and the staff was slow to bring her pain medicine or food.
In a small rural hospital in Missouri, Shain Zundel’s severe headache turned out to be a brain abscess. His condition would typically have required an operation within a few hours, but he was forced to wait a day while doctors struggled to find a neurosurgeon and a bed — finally at a hospital 375 miles away in Iowa.
From New Mexico to Minnesota to Florida, hospitals are teeming with record numbers of Covid patients. Staff members at smaller hospitals have had to beg larger medical centers repeatedly to take one more, just one more patient, but many of the bigger hospitals have sharply limited the transfers they will accept, their own halls and wards overflowing.
In the spring, the pandemic was concentrated mainly in hard-hit regions like New York, which offered lessons to hospitals in other states anticipating the spread of the virus. Despite months of planning, though, many of the nation’s hospital systems are now slammed with a staggering swell of patients, no available beds and widening shortages of nurses and doctors. On any single day, some hospitals have had to turn away transfer requests for patients needing urgent care or incoming emergencies.
And rising infection rates among nurses and other frontline workers have doubled the patient load on those left standing.
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