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Can touching a barbell in the gym get you sick with the coronavirus?
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I mean if the goal is to let the thought of death, even minsculue, dominate our minds, should we also take measures to prevent other things from killing us that are actually more harmful than covid?
- ban fast food
- make speed limit no faster than 20 mph, if we should even be driving cars? they are more dangerous than this virus
- we all use AAS, not healthy, but yet we wear a mask?
masks, why not hazmat suits to go buy toilet paper? we want to eliminate death? why not goggles too?
Thats a bit extreme. Just like closing business and ruining the economy for covid. But wearing a mask is no where near as detrimental. As what closing and lockdowns fid to econommy.
Some people do take precautions to not die. Like not jumpung out of a plane with no parachute. See how dumb this argument is?
But the rest is opinion and not facts. Because AAS can be used safely. Fast food, should not be allowed.
but wearing a mask while a new disease can or cannot be a problem. One we know nothing about. Is not a big deal. If it can possibly save a couple extra people. This disease will be learned about more soon. It hasent been that long.
do you take precautions to not die? Or do you live each day being reckless and if you die, you die?
Now I begin to see your line of thinking. Do you really think fast food should not be allowed? I shouldn't have the freedom to get a burger or milk shake? What if im healthier and leaner than you, what should the penalty be if someone sells me a greasy burger since it should not be allowed?
I do take precautions not to die, if I didn't would I be in my late 30's?
Do you consider wearing a mask a precaution not to die? I don't. Quitting AAS, eating only 2k calories per day, trading in my car for a SUV with a higher safety rating and never exceeding the speed limit or driving on the high way would all be more sensible precautions than wearing a mask. Do you recommend I do them all in addition to wearing a mask?
Like i said that starts to become opinion not facts. The fast food crap. No you are right anyone should be allowed to eat like shit. I agree. I am not being sarcastic here either.
A mask is not a preventative for to die. It will prevent from getting sick possibly. A mask could protect me from getting and bringing covid home to my family. Which is what i care about more then just getting sick.
Just have to agree to disagree, which is good too.
this is a debate on opinion, which we are entitled to, and i respect yours.
Hopefully real data can become apparent sooner then later. Not the bullshit data that has been broadcasted to everyone. Which you cant believe at all.
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Winter is coming and so is the prospect of a “twindemic.”
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and an expert in infectious diseases for the last four decades, told CNBC’s Shepard Smith Monday evening that it was more critical than ever to do these five things: wear a mask, social distance, avoid crowded spaces, do things outdoors where possible, and wash your hands frequently.
“I think we’re facing a whole lot of trouble,” Fauci said. “We have a baseline of infections now that vary between 40,000 and 50,000 per day. That’s a bad place to be when you’re going into the cooler weather of the fall, and the colder weather of the winter. In addition, we would like to see the percent positivity be coming down.” More than 215,910 people in the U.S. have died from COVID-19.
Some 500 million people, or one-third of the world’s population, became infected with the 1918 Spanish flu. An estimated 50 million people died worldwide, with about 675,000 deaths occurring in the U.S., according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Both pandemics caused an economic contraction, reducing both gross domestic product and employment.
Though the 1918 pandemic is forever associated with Spain, this strain of H1N1 was discovered earlier in Germany, France, the U.K. and the U.S. But similar to the Communist Party’s response to the first cases of COVID-19 in China, World War I censorship buried or underplayed those reports. Multi-generational households were more at risk from the 1918 flu and coronavirus in 2020.
Fauci implored young people to act responsibly. A young person might not get sick, but they could spread the disease to someone vulnerable. “That can be someone’s grandfather, that can be a woman who’s on chemotherapy for breast cancer, that could be an immune-deficient child. So we’ve got to stop thinking that we exist in a vacuum, only for ourselves. We’re all in this together.”
Within weeks of the gathering, the Dakotas, along with Wyoming, Minnesota and Montana, were leading the nation in new coronavirus infections per capita. The surge was especially pronounced in North and South Dakota, where cases and hospitalization rates continued their juggernaut rise into October. Experts say they will never be able to determine how many of those cases originated at the 10-day rally, given the failure of state and local health officials to identify and monitor attendees returning home, or to trace chains of transmission after people got sick. Some, however, believe the nearly 500,000-person gathering played a role in the outbreak now consuming the Upper Midwest.
More than 330 coronavirus cases and one death were directly linked to the rally as of mid-September, according to a Washington Post survey of health departments in 23 states that provided information. But experts say that tally represents just the tip of the iceberg, since contact tracing often doesn’t capture the source of an infection, and asymptomatic spread goes unnoticed.
In many ways, Sturgis is an object lesson in the patchwork U.S. response to a virus that has proved remarkably adept at exploiting such gaps to become resurgent. While some states and localities banned even relatively small groups of people, others, like South Dakota, imposed no restrictions — in this case allowing the largest gathering of people in the United States and perhaps anywhere in the world amid the pandemic and creating huge vulnerabilities as tens of thousands of attendees traveled back home to every state in the nation.
Many went unmasked to an event public health officials pleaded with them to skip, putting themselves and others at risk, because they were skeptical about the risks, or felt the entreaties infringed on their personal liberties. Rallygoers jammed bars, restaurants, tattoo parlors and concert venues; South Dakota officials later identified four such businesses as sites of potential exposure after learning that infected people had visited them.
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Can you get sick from just reading a thread about the Coronavirus?
Only if youre prone to hypercondria, NLP, and MSBD...they need to get tested right away.
Sheesh this shit is like out of control E2: makes grown ass men grow bitch tits and act irrational to the point they lactate prolactively (see what I did there?)
Sorry...ignore me
Only if youre prone to hypercondria, NLP, and MSBD...they need to get tested right away.
Sheesh this shit is like out of control E2: makes grown ass men grow bitch tits and act irrational to the point they lactate prolactively (see what I did there?)
Sorry...ignore me
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Yeah, that’s almost accurate
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By the way, presuming you believe in evolution or Darwinian theory, this is a prime example of survival of the fittest, is it not?
No matter their politics, people nearly always listen to those who say what they want to hear.
Hence, it is no surprise that the White House and several governors are now paying close attention to the “Great Barrington Declaration,” a proposal written by a group of well-credentialed scientists who want to shift Covid-19 policy toward achieving herd immunity — the point at which enough people have become immune to the virus that its spread becomes unlikely.
They would do this by allowing “those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally.” This, they say, will allow people “to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.”
These academics are clearly a distinct minority. Most of their public health colleagues have condemned their proposal as unworkable and unethical — even as amounting to “mass murder,” as William Haseltine, a former Harvard Medical School professor who now heads a global health foundation, put it to CNN last week.
But who is right?
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Is there an alternative? There was once a simple one, which the vast majority of public health experts urged for months: social distancing, avoiding crowds, wearing masks, washing hands and a robust contact tracing system, with support for those who are asked to self-quarantine and for selected closures when and where necessary.
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Why is this?!?!?
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Ah yes....
It is essential for physicians and scientists to speak up to counter misinformation about COVID-19 amid a culture of fear.
Every day in clinics and hospitals across the United States and worldwide, unheralded heroes strap on their armor to take on an insidious viral enemy that to date has infected 7.5 million Americans and killed over 200,000, and globally has infected 38.8 million people and killed more than one million. Amongst the dead from COVID-19 in the United States are more than 1,270 health care workers, a figure that is likely to be an underestimate.
Many who recover from COVID-19 suffer long-term sequelae and some are on waiting lists for a lung transplant. The “Lost on the Frontline” database, compiled by The Guardian newspaper and Kaiser Health News, with its portraits of U.S. health care workers who succumbed to COVID-19 leaves us with a visceral understanding of the dangers that health care workers face.
Colleagues, we are in a battle for our lives in medicine, a battle science will eventually win. Courage is not the absence of fear, but the willingness to carry on despite it, and that kind of courage is everywhere on display.
We see it in those who work in housekeeping, security and administration at hospitals and clinics; we see it in the police, fire fighters and ambulance personnel; we see it in everyone who shows up to work each day so that our health care system keeps running. We read blogs where nurses describe keeping N95 masks on all day, not even removing them to drink water, leaving bruises on their faces. We hear of health care workers who live apart from their families rather than put them at risk.
Courage is evident in the lone physicians, physician assistants and nurse practitioners in small towns who are diagnosing patients with COVID-19 and have very few resources to fall back on; we see courage in spades in every shift in every emergency room and intensive care unit across the country. Physicians and nurses throughout the country have been threatened, suspended, or fired by their employers for speaking out on such matters as the dearth of personal protective equipment. Meanwhile, medical residents and other trainees have felt intimidated or worse still, characterized as selfish, when asking for hazard pay for being on the front lines.
Physician burnout has been the buzz word for almost a decade, but the COVID-19 pandemic that has united us in a common purpose across scientific research and medicine also has made health care worker burnout a global crisis.
Sadly, contrasting with the culture of courage on the front lines, we have seen physician leadership in the highest realms of the U.S. government, those entrusted with promoting the health of the American people, operate in a culture of fear.
We have seen them capitulating to the suppression and manipulation of data and to unscientific and dangerous initiatives, as well as pandering to mandates that are designed to save face, not to save lives.
We understand the challenge: To speak out will probably cost you your job. But is it worth going down in history as someone who kept quiet and did not speak out against what they knew was wrong? …
Verghese A, Topol E. Courage in a climate of fear. Science Translational Medicine 2020:eabf2461. Courage in a climate of fear
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