can’t stay asleep

[Ateam2023]

I always wondered how it does so. I hear it's an anti-histamine and that gear causes a lot of histamine release so that's why a lot of bodybuilders find relief with these sleep aids

Interesting stuff nonetheless, glad this thread is still fairly active with more anecdotes

I'm on day four or five of no smoking, I may just quit

 

[syuri]

I'm on day four or five of no smoking, I may just quit

Forgot to reply to this

Glad to hear. It’s a dirty habit but fine in moderation IMO. I’m weening off myself too.

Will update tomorrow to see how Mirtazapine does me

 

[RowSpam]

Uh.... If I'm not mistaken I believe I hopped on back in July or August or something

Yeah, I just checked and I've been on since June 2nd

At first my sleep was lessened and I woke earlier, but I'd already been used to waking earlier due to the sucky glucagon factor of Reta. The stuff seriously skewered my sleep

It's more of a staying asleep issue, on like a cruise or TRT dose my sleep's fine to an extent now. I dealt with the same initial sleep shock, I assumed my body was just getting used to the androgens and the feeling of being "on" but that's been fixed

Outside of lowering your dose and trying everything you already have/people have already suggested, i got nothing.
However this could be a nuts suggestion but you could try a hrt dose of gh before bed. GH before bed makes you sleep like a baby.

 

[Ateam2023]

Outside of lowering your dose and trying everything you already have/people have already suggested, i got nothing.
However this could be a nuts suggestion but you could try a hrt dose of gh before bed. GH before bed makes you sleep like a baby.

Not for everybody, alot of people don't take growth hormone before bed because it fragments their sleep,

 

[RowSpam]

Not for everybody, alot of people don't take growth hormone before bed because it fragments their sleep,

haha exactly why i labeled it a "nuts suggestion".

 

[RowSpam]

regarding with your problems with getting up to pee.
Are you in taking enough sodium/electrolytes to be able to stay hydrated?
Due to your age dont think prostate could be a issue but have you gotten your PSA done in your bloodwork?

 

[syuri]

Outside of lowering your dose and trying everything you already have/people have already suggested, i got nothing.
However this could be a nuts suggestion but you could try a hrt dose of gh before bed. GH before bed makes you sleep like a baby.

GH made me sleep so wonky, strangest situation ever

Made me pee so much throughout the night that I should’ve held a full on celebration or some shit if I could manage to sleep more than an hour and a half consistently without waking up

Dropped Tesamorelin too. Sleep’s been better as of late but trying Mirtz tonight is my final straw for trying to keep myself down

 

[syuri]

regarding with your problems with getting up to pee.
Are you in taking enough sodium/electrolytes to be able to stay hydrated?
Due to your age dont think prostate could be a issue but have you gotten your PSA done in your bloodwork?

I stop liquid after 3pm, and go through like 7 packets of Liquid IV daily. Salting and seasoning my foods like a madman too (pictured)

And yes, for the love of god my food doesn’t taste as bad as it looks okay

I had low RBC from low sodium but my approach has fixed it and my sodium levels are high now

 

[syuri]

regarding with your problems with getting up to pee.
Are you in taking enough sodium/electrolytes to be able to stay hydrated?
Due to your age dont think prostate could be a issue but have you gotten your PSA done in your bloodwork?

Oh and no, I haven’t gotten PSA. I can ask for that

 

[Rand]

You guys ever wonder people that can't sleep how they doze off in the bus or car?

I had some success with binaural beats but has to be stereo speakers

Ems electrodes place over joint cavity also can reestablish rhythm

And finally breathing exercises

All just to restore rhythm

 

[Raylee3500]

hey all,

been dealing with not being able to stay asleep, and more recently, falling asleep, albeit i don’t see it as much of an issue. i get 4-5 hours of poor sleep and feel mid throughout the day.

stats:
6ft, 185lbs (around 12% BF)

my stack:
300 test (started with 200, slept fine on it) still sleep fine since upping
2mg tesamorelin pre bed
3mg tirz weekly

adding soon
70mg tren ace weekly

adding tren has me worried for how my sleep quality may end up.

i haven’t been able to consistently stay asleep and always wake up around 2-4 am, with my bedtime being 9pm. i believe i might be having a cortisol spike in the morning but I’m unsure what could be causing it. i eat a TBSP of honey pre bed to steer away from any possible hypoglycemic wakings. i also wake several times throughout the night to pee, even with being conservative of fluid intake after 3pm.

additionally, i haven’t been able to get good deep sleep (according to my apple watch)

i’ve taken:
400-1.2g magnesium glys pre bed (not much effect)
400mg l-theanine
5-htp
2-3g GABA
1200mg ashwaghanda (lowered my cortisol under the ref. range!)

i have trazodone and gabapentin on hand but i don’t want to start relying on them to sleep. i want to see if there’s any other drugs, tips or supplements that could help this sleep issue.

other stats:
training 6x a week
no anxiety, i feel kickass
eating in a slight surplus~ maintenance
5-10k steps daily
always wake and sleep at same time

Your sleep supplements r solid but I don’t know why your not using melatonin, I sleep 10 hours a day of intense deep sleep and I take all the sleep supplements u take at a high dosage plus 40-80 mg melatonin and a few others not worth mentioning. But adding tren when u already can’t sleep is absolutely idiotic, since your using weight loss drugs I’m assuming you’re lean and that might be the problem I sleep monumentally better at a normal bodyfat(my PFP as an example) then I do when I’m leaner

 

[syuri]

Update:

Did 7.5mgs of Mirtazapine

Felt nothing much, I might need to up it, didn’t knock me out or anything but I feel groggy the next day, not too bad though. Woke up throughout the night a bit still

 

[syuri]

Ive tried Ambien (zolpidem) and Lunesta (eszoplicone). Ambien was okay but didnt end up resolving for me. Lunesta flipped my sleep switch back on though. The Z drugs dont cause much morning grogginess or "hangover" effect. Some of the other things ive tried do though (melatonin, trazadone, xanax, clonazopam, seroquil, antihistamines, gabapentin). That groginess is the reason my dr just cut my trazadone dosage in half.

My suggestion is start at the lowest dose and only increase if needed.

Could you also elaborate on what you meant by Lunesta “flipped your sleep switch back on?” Sorry if I sound clueless

I have Mirtazapine and Lunesta on hand and I’m trying to figure out which is best for me to stay asleep, even if I have to use it nightly

 

[Ateam2023]

Your sleep supplements r solid but I don’t know why your not using melatonin, I sleep 10 hours a day of intense deep sleep and I take all the sleep supplements u take at a high dosage plus 40-80 mg melatonin and a few others not worth mentioning. But adding tren when u already can’t sleep is absolutely idiotic, since your using weight loss drugs I’m assuming you’re lean and that might be the problem I sleep monumentally better at a normal bodyfat(my PFP as an example) then I do when I’m leaner

Why are the other medication's not worth mentioning?

 

[Ateam2023]

Could you also elaborate on what you meant by Lunesta “flipped your sleep switch back on?” Sorry if I sound clueless

I have Mirtazapine and Lunesta on hand and I’m trying to figure out which is best for me to stay asleep, even if I have to use it nightly

Well try not to med hop too much, stick to one for a given amount of time before adding anything else in that way you can rule out that that medication was not acceptable, but if you add in this and add in that you really have no way of knowing which one is effective. Sorry if I state the obvious

 

[syuri]

Well try not to med hop too much, stick to one for a given amount of time before adding anything else in that way you can rule out that that medication was not acceptable, but if you add in this and add in that you really have no way of knowing which one is effective. Sorry if I state the obvious

No worries, it’s good advice nonetheless and not “obvious” lol

I’ll try 15mgs Mirtz this week and Lunesta next week

 

[Raylee3500]

Why are the other medication's not worth mentioning?

Because I just have a like 10 tubs of powder of every sleeping supplement and I’ve honestly forgot where they all r I just know how much to take

 

[Raylee3500]

Not for everybody, alot of people don't take growth hormone before bed because it fragments their sleep,

What do u mean by fragmented sleep

 

[Ateam2023]

What do u mean by fragmented sleep

I don't know if you're joking or being serious, so I will entertain the question, "frequent awakinings during normal sleep cycle, they can be brief or longer periods of wakefulness that are accompanied by difficulty falling back asleep."

 

[Raylee3500]

I don't know if you're joking or being serious, so I will entertain the question, "frequent awakinings during normal sleep cycle, they can be brief or longer periods of wakefulness that are accompanied by difficulty falling back asleep."

That makes sense I don’t know what I was thinking