Raww
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Sometimes I'll read something and when I read it again I come up with a completely different take on it. Happens.
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can’t stay asleep
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Raylee3500
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Yeah I’m pretty sure I just woke up from a post leg day nap induced by a half gallon of whole chocolate milk when I made that comment lol
syuri
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Would taking eszopiclone daily long term yield any bad effects or dependency? Might just stock up on it if it works for me
Of course. I mean that I finally felt like I actually slept for once. I wasnt getting sleep perviously, weeks just felt like long continuous days. When I took lunesta, pretty sure it was the second or third night that I woke up the next morning having one of those "aha! moments". I had truly forgotten what actual sleep felt like. Looking back it used to feel more like "resting with your eyes closed" instead of sleeping in the sense of ending one day, resetting and starting a new day.
So to simply answer your question, Lunesta allowed my body to re-activate "sleep mode" (aka turned on my sleep switch). Everything else in my life started falling into place once I got my sleep back.
To expand on "falling into place" I mean I was in a terrible mental health space. Depression treatments were not working, body vitals were all over the place, no amount of therapy (physical and mental) would help.. throw in a broken engagement of +8yrs, 2 cervical surgeries/recoveries after first implant failed and endless pain/tension/spasm with no relief.. I was truly miserable. Once I started sleeping, my treatments seemed to begin to work and started to notice actual progress and improvements. Felt like I wasnt "stuck" and finally "in motion" from then.
Not everything is sunshine and butterflies, but things are feeling much more manageable and I couldnt possibly ask for a bigger blessing than that.
Never did for me. I've taken 1-3mg for years, though i find higher doses actually work worse in some cases.
Sometimes I stop for a week at a time and still sleep fine, just not as knocked out.
I've settled on 1mg eszopiclone + 3mg IR/XR melatonin, that always works no matter the anabolics. If you still find you wake up too early try upping just a bit, like 1.5mg.
Also worth mentioning that I wouldn't bother with mirabegron. It works great at first but the b3 desensitization occurred after a month or so and it was just useless then.
Ive been using it for years, dosage hasnt changed. In fact, Dr tried sending me 3mg Lunesta once and that shit fucked me up. Only took it two or three nights and the dreams were terrible, made me anxious and chemically depressed. Worst I've experienced by far. Called me dr right up and she immediately pulled it and swapped me back to 2mg. ZERO issues. I still have the 3mg bottle, but I cant see me wanting to take them again.
I still get sleepy without the drugs and if its too late at night I'll skip the lunesta and just use the traz with no big issues so dont think theres been any dependency issues. No long term negative effects that I've noticed in my years. I did feel negative effects from other sleepaid medications, but the Z drugs seem to have the least "hangover" like effects since they work solely with your gaba receptors which simulates the bodies natural "shutting down" mechanism causing the least disruption to sleep patterns.
Benzos are long acting and cause hangover affects, plus increased risk of depencey due to its anxiolytic properties.
SSRI meds regulate dopamine over time and dont act as a sedative which is why they arent very good at helping you sleep directly. More a long term approach to mild sleep disturbances that stem from clinical depression symptoms such as dopeamine up-regulation.
I like to think of it as "z-drugs" are the specialized dr in the field, while the others are more general practitioners. They all help, but if I know my issues are specifically with "C" then Id rather adress "C" as directly as possible instead of addressing the whole alphabet hoping "C" corrects, but that
A.B,D-Z dont change. I got stoned right before writing this so I hope it makes sense LOL
syuri
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Thanks for elaborating! I understand now, lol
I'm very tempted to try it tonight and see what actual sleep feels like. I have the same exact issue of "rest with my eyes open" if you understand the analogy
Sorry about your mental health issues too, I've been through some but I can't imagine a broken engagement. Hope all is well with you, glad to see Lunesta fixed it for you.
Have you found yourself using it daily, and when you do use it, is it "gauraunteed" per se to keep you asleep and to get that good quality rest each time it's used? Appreciate your reply so much, it's refreshing to see such a detailed write up
syuri
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How many hours do you average? Interesting stuff
7-8hrs at higher bf% , 8-9hrs at low bf%. It was 5, maybe 6 if I was lucky years ago. I think just using it also took away some sleep anxiety. If you're worried about poor sleep you will sleep poor.
Can't say I'm a fan of the mirtazapine with that half-life, though I've never tried it.
syuri
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I tried 7.5mgs last night, sleep was a little deeper. Might up it to 15mgs.
Overall the grogginess and fatigue are overstated. Same goes for the hunger aspect, I felt groggy, yes, but my morning workout stayed unaffected (albeit with a good daily scoop of preworkout).
I do feel slightly fatigued but it's nothing major
syuri
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Tonights schedule:
Trying 1.5mg Lunesta. Will see how it does me, Mirtazapine didn’t do much but I will try it again next time at 15mgs
Trying 1.5mg Lunesta. Will see how it does me, Mirtazapine didn’t do much but I will try it again next time at 15mgs
Appreciate it brother. Yes I do use it nightly as prescribed by my Dr. Ill skip it every now and then, usually because Im out late. Id say its pretty consistent that I take the meds and get a good nights sleep. Even if I sleep the same amount of hours as I do when I dont take the meds, I noticed those few hours are of actual rest and still wake up better than not having taken it.
Updated my iphone and watch recently and it has a new sleep score tracker. Uses sleep duration, sleep interruptions and bedtime to generate your "score". Very Low, Low, Ok, High, and Very High.
My sleep scores have been High to Very High. 81-91 out of 100.
This is last nights sleep score.. interruption score was the worst ive seen so far.
Overall: 81 out of 100
Duration of sleep: 50 out of 50 points - 8hr 11mins
Bedtime: 28 out of 30 - 1hr 16min earlier than average.
Interruptions: 3 out of 20 - 5 wake ups, 1hr 19mins awake.
I suffer from neck pain and having zero wakeups just seems unrealistic. However, im sleeping on average 2 extra hours compared to previous years data and those hours are of actual rest. Since starting meds, my sleep has only continued to improve. Its funny I value my routine so much to stay consistent that Ive started disliking going out late and partying. It bums me out forreal lol
P.S maybe consider giving each med some time to actually take affect. Lunesta works quick, but your circadium rythm doesnt just snap back into place one night.
Mirtazipan's sleep inducing properties work quickly since its a histamine reaction, but its regulating of dopamine and norepinephrine take weeks like most anti-depression medications.
Also as a histamine reaction, your body does become accustomed to it and its sedative effects tend to wear off for ppl. The lower dosages are actually more sedative than larger doses. 3.75mg, 7mg and 15mg are the sleep dosages I saw recommended.
In my case, anti-histamines havent helped with sleep and just have a heavy hangover effect the following day. But your experience may vary
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syuri
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Got stoned and di 7.5mgs Mirtazapine, sleep has improved, regret getting stoned tho because I ended up making a few posts on Reddit I'm starting to question. Plus I thought I was gonna do Lunesta last night for some reason
LOL yeah thats why I recommend going to sleep ASAP when taking meds. Especially if you were drinking in the slightest, youll def have little to no recollection of the last hour before you got to bed. I learned my lessons with texts, online shopping and foods pretty quickly. Only time its really happened was when I got really drunk.. texted my ex trying to smash, ordered a bunch of amazon shit and tore through the kitchen waking up with snack and food all over my bed, including chocolate smeared all over the place
ZaddyDaddy
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I've suffered with sleep issues my entire life. I lay down and my brain kicks into overdrive. "Time to solve world hunger! Is the oven on? Is it going to rain tomorrow?"
Melatonin just made me feel groggy but didn't put me to sleep and always made me feel groggy in the morning.
Benadryl caused major panic attacks. DO NOT LIKE. Also, it made me feel groggy at night and in the morning.
I took Ambien for over a decade. It had wicked side effects. I could tell stories. I'm glad to be off that.
Now take 2 mg Lunesta + .5mg Clonazepam. A healthy dose of GABA on top of that works as well but makes me wake up feeling groggy so I only take it when absolutely necessary.
The only time I've ever slept regularly without any other help is when I took Cymbalta (which is indicated for depression or nerve pain. I was taking it to help with chronic mild nerve pain from a bad motorcycle accident a long time ago.) It didn't make me groggy and I slept like a baby without needing any other help. It made me feel a little "muted" emotionally though.
Melatonin just made me feel groggy but didn't put me to sleep and always made me feel groggy in the morning.
Benadryl caused major panic attacks. DO NOT LIKE. Also, it made me feel groggy at night and in the morning.
I took Ambien for over a decade. It had wicked side effects. I could tell stories. I'm glad to be off that.
Now take 2 mg Lunesta + .5mg Clonazepam. A healthy dose of GABA on top of that works as well but makes me wake up feeling groggy so I only take it when absolutely necessary.
The only time I've ever slept regularly without any other help is when I took Cymbalta (which is indicated for depression or nerve pain. I was taking it to help with chronic mild nerve pain from a bad motorcycle accident a long time ago.) It didn't make me groggy and I slept like a baby without needing any other help. It made me feel a little "muted" emotionally though.
syuri
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Got an RX for both Mirtazapine and Vyvanse. The Vyvanse I plan to steer clear of. It’s the last thing I need right now- more CNS stimulation.
I have no excuse to not use Mirt now, very grateful my PCP gave me a script for it. Thanks for all the input added to this thread guys. Love to hear about others’ experiences
I have no excuse to not use Mirt now, very grateful my PCP gave me a script for it. Thanks for all the input added to this thread guys. Love to hear about others’ experiences
You going to rotate and hit the Lunesta tonight?
syuri
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Nah. Not touching the Lunesta for a while, I want to see how Mirtaza does me first. I might try it a few weeks down the line, but with a confirmed RX for Mirtaza, I kinda have to give it a try. Can keep you updated though!
syuri
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So…
15mgs Mirtazapine last night… slept pretty well. I don’t believe I woke up, slept to the point of my alarm. I don’t experience much grogginess from many things so I don’t feel fatigued or groggy from it. I’d have to try it again tonight but it definitely helped to keep me down. I might also try to take it earlier, but I’ll see
15mgs Mirtazapine last night… slept pretty well. I don’t believe I woke up, slept to the point of my alarm. I don’t experience much grogginess from many things so I don’t feel fatigued or groggy from it. I’d have to try it again tonight but it definitely helped to keep me down. I might also try to take it earlier, but I’ll see
If you have a smart watch or one of those fitness rings you should monitor your sleep quality. Make sure your sleep architecture is intact. Sounds like it is from your experience, but its a nice tool to have if you ever get the chance.
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