syuri
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All good. Thanks for your explanation on Mirtz- love reading stuff like that where the drugs are really explained!
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syuri
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Interesting, that’s so interesting… SSRI’s are super fascinating to me. Been spending all of today and yesterday watching video breakdowns on them
Thanks for the reply once again. I’m not even sure if I want to up my Lexapro (still getting anxiety at this dose) and rather I might want to see how I bode with Sert. I’ll figure it out haha
bananafeet
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They all work about the same. But the side effects and individual tolerance is what sets them apart. Sertraline is a heart safe choice. So I'm staying with it.
ThreeSix
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Interesting thread. When it comes to sleeping problems and total dose of androgens. I heard the more gear you are on, the harder your body is in overdrive (increased fight or flight). By your guys experience, do all androgens increase fight or flight (lets say for example a primobolan), or would only testosterone do that.
Thinking of dropping the primo and ony slightly reducing test. could that still improve sleep and nervous tone?
Thinking of dropping the primo and ony slightly reducing test. could that still improve sleep and nervous tone?
Raww
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From what I've heard and experienced - yeah, more gear = more more wired. But also, the thing you are running has a big impact. Tren, halo and test at large doses really get the cns amped.
Primo shouldn't actually be a major contributor - it's pretty mild.
I would think in your case lowering test itself would deal with the sleep issue - unless you need to change the primo to match with that lowered test dose.
Pick up some Gorilla Dream. Two capsules and I am out cold.
syuri
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Been on 15mg Mirtazapine this past week
Best week of sleep In my life. Been sleeping way better. I do have an awakening later in the night, but I find it to be way easier to brush it off and fall right back asleep. It’s a gamechanger.
I may also get a script for an Orexin antagonist this Friday… I see my PCP and will try to bargain for one. Can’t wait to see how it goes!
Best week of sleep In my life. Been sleeping way better. I do have an awakening later in the night, but I find it to be way easier to brush it off and fall right back asleep. It’s a gamechanger.
I may also get a script for an Orexin antagonist this Friday… I see my PCP and will try to bargain for one. Can’t wait to see how it goes!
Ateam2023
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Last night was the best sleep I've had in over three years I didn't take my usual sleep stack and I only took 300 mg of trazodone and 1 mg of DSIP and the results speak for themselves, I'm gonna continue this experiment for a couple more nights to see if it was a one off or I might be onto something
Just a heads up, 300-600 mg is actually a full antidepressant dose, and significantly above the low dose required for sleep purposes. At this dose, it is acting as a full SSRI (like sertraline, escitalopram, etc.)
The problem with this is that you can experience withdrawal symptoms and feel like complete shit if you don't then take your dose regularly. SSRIs need to be tapered off slowly. And guess what, trazodone is one of the worst for withdrawals because it has such a short half life
Skipping doses now is not a good idea. And if you want to come off it for any reason, you're gonna have to reduce the dose slowly and over several weeks. It might be advisable to do a straight swap to sertraline or escitalopram for this purpose when the time comes, as it will suck a lot less coming off those
I'm just some guy on the internet though, so speak to your doctor, etc.
This guy is correct, generally speaking anything over 200mg of traz is considered SSRI dosages.
Generally speaking though, if you stick with 300mg you might have to taper down to not experience WDs. IMO I rather fuck with traz than any z drug or benzo. Not sure if any of you have been addicted to benzos but I promise you the WD symptoms make opioid WDs a walk in the park.
syuri
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Bet that felt good, lol
If high dose Trazodone is working for you, maybe Mirtazapine would work even better for you (albeit the appetite part is the only sucky part)
Glad to see though!
Ateam2023
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No thank you, I'm not trying anything new the Trazadone has been working for me for 10 years so to switch to another antidepressant drug and have to adjust is just not something I'm really looking to get into.
syuri
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Fair. Glad to see the Trazodone is working!
I’m going to be asking my PCP about the Orexin drugs for sleep this week. If I can try one of them, I’ll add to this thread on how it goes. My sleep is fine but I do want to give these new Orexin drugs a shot. Plus my brother struggles with alertness at night, I may give him some to aid his sleep
Ateam2023
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Who said anything about coming off of it , that's the last thing I'm gonna do , it works for what I need it to do , so if it's not broke why fix it , thank you for the information though.
Glad it's working for you brother
This would be my approach as well. Ive been on ssris (still am) and still was scripted traz for sleep purposes. Used to take 300mg nightly (as sleep aid) and dropped to 150mg with little distruption to my sleep patterns. Onset still comes on quick.
I did take 300mg last night though because ive been having a ton of pain and waking up a lot the previous 2 nights. 99% sure its from eating cheese as a bedtime snack and a combo of stomach/neck pain waking me up, but regardless I trained 1.5hrs yesterday for the first time in weeks and along with the 300mg of traz I got a good night of sleep. Sleep score went up from 60ish to mid 80's.
Ive started and stopped trazadone at these doses with no withdrawl effects noted at all. Even from 300 to 150, not a problem and this was recent as in within the past 4weeks.
Ateam2023
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I know you got these people that think they know what the fuck they're talking about because they read this or read that with no real actual experience with the medication, i've been taking this trazodone for 10 years and have had stopped and started a few times ,
bananafeet
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I bought some Methocarbamol just to try it because cyclobenzaprene is higher risk with SSRIs.
Anyway 500mg usually has me as limp as a fish. I did a huge gym workout yesterday gassed up on insulin and tren.
Took some before sleep and passed out. I woke up at 1am in agony and hungry as shit.
Seems like that lines up with the half life.
Anyway good stuff to put you out if you're messed up from training.
10/10 would recommend
Anyway 500mg usually has me as limp as a fish. I did a huge gym workout yesterday gassed up on insulin and tren.
Took some before sleep and passed out. I woke up at 1am in agony and hungry as shit.
Seems like that lines up with the half life.
Anyway good stuff to put you out if you're messed up from training.
10/10 would recommend
syuri
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Interesting, never heard of it. Def another thing I have to do my research on haha
How’s the insulin? I tried 10 units of Novolin R (IM) post-workout to see if there was any benefit. Not sure if I did it right but my blood sugar was around 102 an hour later so I think I figured my carb:slin ratio out.
bananafeet
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You don't need much. I am taking 10 units of Lantus in the morning only.
The following day I measure my blood sugar, if it's a bit high I increase the Lantus a bit.
5 units of insulin r before a workout is heaps with intra workout carbs.
I ordered some fiasp. I think for that stuff I'll only use like 2 units.
I am using compounds that sensitise insulin as well. 500mg to 1000mg of SR Metformin and some tren. Only just enough tren so it doesn't effect my cardio or give me sweats.
That's about 15mg of ace per day or 150mg of hex/enth per week with 10 ace per day on top. If I take more I sweat like I have a tropical fever and wheeze like I have mesothelioma when climbing stairs or copulating.
As for insulin there are better options. There is tresiba and fiasp. The regular insulin is a bit too slow for post workout purposes.
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