Changes In LH and FSH Post Cycle

[BigNick002]

Background on cycle: My first cycle... Ten weeks of test E 500mg/wk waited 4 weeks to start pct, PCT was Clomid only 100/50/25/25. About 2 weeks into PCT i started getting weird side effects high anxiety, feeling really out of it almost like a constant high, very tired(would sleep over 12hrs a day). I was thinking it was just clomid sides although they haven't subsided (its now 7 weeks post PCT) and last week (6 weeks post PCT) I started having panic attacks. I started looking into electrolyte imbalances (potassium) because I do have the symptoms, but all my bloods came back fine for electrolytes. Ive recently revisited my LH and FSH levels... noticing they were highly elevated from the clomid post pct as expected along with test, but after another blood test I noticed LH and FSH drop below my natty levels. Should I blast HCG and redo PCT. Any Suggestions?? Also the first post cycle bloods were taken 2 weeks after pct because i was feeling off, second post cycle tests were a little over 4 weeks.

 

[Wood4days]

You didn't do HCG on cycle?

You should look into doing HCG and starting PCT over. Look up on how to properly do HCG.

I did HCG on cycle and I recovered 100% without losing any strength or gains. I also took clomid and Nova for PCT to attack all angles.

 

[BigNick002]

You didn't do HCG on cycle?

You should look into doing HCG and starting PCT over. Look up on how to properly do HCG.

I did HCG on cycle and I recovered 100% without losing any strength or gains. I also took clomid and Nova for PCT to attack all angles.

Honesty i was low on cash, but i wont make that mistake again, and would you agree that low FSH and LH could be my problem?? and do you have any good links to research hcg?

 

[Wood4days]

There is a clinical study on HCG. I read it somewhere. It said doing HCG on cycle gives you a far more better chance of recovery VS blasting large amounts off HCG off cycle. The recovery rate for blasting HCG off cycle before PCT wad 50/50 if I recall correctly. That's why I decided to do HCG during my cycle.

So it seemed to workout perfectly for me.

 

[Wood4days]

Honesty i was low on cash, but i wont make that mistake again, and would you agree that low FSH and LH could be my problem?? and do you have any good links to research hcg?

Low LH could be what's giving you the problem. However your body should recovery on its own over time, but if you want to speed it up then do HCG then PCT again.

I forget where I found the link to HCG but you can just Google "HCG on cycle vs off cycle" it should pop up.

 

[BigNick002]

There is a clinical study on HCG. I read it somewhere. It said doing HCG in cycle gives you a far more better chance of recovery VS blasting large amounts off HCG off cycle. The recovery rate for blasting HCG off cycle before PCT wad 50/50 if I recall correctly. That's why I decided to do HCG during my cycle.

So it seemed to workout perfectly for me.

Alright thanks man

 

[BigNick002]

Low LH could be what's giving you the problem. However your body should recovery on its own over time, but if you want to speed it up then do HCG then PCT again.

I forget where I found the link to HCG but you can just Google "HCG on cycle vs off cycle" it should pop up.

I have nolva and clomid on hand now but would have to order the HCG do you think its worth restarting PCT now, or waiting close to a month to get HCG??

 

[Wood4days]

I have nolva and clomid on hand now but would have to order the HCG do you think its worth restarting PCT now, or waiting close to a month to get HCG??

This is just my opinion but I would suggest you do more research.

I would do HCG then PCT again. Go search for the proper protocol for restarting PCT. There's alot of thread that talk about it. Or Google it.

 

[BigNick002]

This is just my opinion but I would suggest you do more research.

I would do HCG then PCT again. Go search for the proper protocol for restarting PCT. There's alot of thread that talk about it. Or Google it.

Yeah thanks man. I been reading up on it, just read that it's not as beneficial after cycle. So I'm trying to weight the risk of waiting on HCG or just restarting PCT.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

I see nothing wrong with your bloodwork- yes, it's lower then your pre-but within acceptable loss/gain after running a cycle. Your Pre is 5.3 LH and FSH 3.4 and your actual post is 7.8 LH and 3.3 FSH. But the other test shows 3.7LH and 2.3FSH-which is still good (notice your test levels is actual higher then your Pre).

I would have to say it has to something with your clomid dosage- to me, that's to high 100/50/25/25. Clomid has some wicked sides and can cause mood swings and panic attacks (if you have a history- it will make it worse). I would recommend that you don't restart and let your body heal naturally. If couple of months and nothing changes- I recommend you visit your local GP and go from there..

BTW, HCG during cycle only keeps your nuts from looking like raisins and helps you better going into PCT. But it's PCT serms that will make or break you!

 

[BigNick002]

I see nothing wrong with your bloodwork- yes, it's lower then your pre-but within acceptable loss/gain after running a cycle. Your Pre is 5.3 LH and FSH 3.4 and your actual post is 7.8 LH and 3.3 FSH. But the other test shows 3.7LH and 2.3FSH-which is still good (notice your test levels is actual higher then your Pre).

I would have to say it has to something with your clomid dosage- to me, that's to high 100/50/25/25. Clomid has some wicked sides and can cause mood swings and panic attacks (if you have a history- it will make it worse). I would recommend that you don't restart and let your body heal naturally. If couple of months and nothing changes- I recommend you visit your local GP and go from there..

BTW, HCG during cycle only keeps your nuts from looking like raisins and helps you better going into PCT. But it's PCT serms that will make or break you!

I see what your saying but it seems my levels are still dropping...

 

[Flaming Dragon]

I see what your saying but it seems my levels are still dropping...

It's not dropping that bad from your pre 5.3LH and FSH 3.4 to 3.7LH and 2.3FSH. Your body's trying to find harmony/balance- just give it time to recover. Don't introduce anything more drugs..beside good food and sleep..

 

[BigNick002]

It's not dropping that bad from your pre 5.3LH and FSH 3.4 to 3.7LH and 2.3FSH. Your body's trying to find harmony/balance- just give it time to recover. Don't introduce anything more drugs..beside good food and sleep..

I feel horrible though, you think I'll recover naturally fast?

 

[Flaming Dragon]

I feel horrible though, you think I'll recover naturally fast?

Can't answer that questions-everyone's different. The best person to answer those questions would be your GP. Before your cycle, did you ever experience any of the symptom you stated? If not, like I said i could be your hormonal is imbalance and takes time for them to work out.

 

[BigNick002]

Can't answer that questions-everyone's different. The best person to answer those questions would be your GP. Before your cycle, did you ever experience any of the symptom you stated? If not, like I said i could be your hormonal is imbalance and takes time for them to work out.

I had mild anxiety but nothing like this.

 

[BigNick002]

@Michael Scally MD

Thoughts?

 

[master.on]

Background on cycle: My first cycle... Ten weeks of test E 500mg/wk waited 4 weeks to start pct, PCT was Clomid only 100/50/25/25. About 2 weeks into PCT i started getting weird side effects high anxiety, feeling really out of it almost like a constant high, very tired(would sleep over 12hrs a day). I was thinking it was just clomid sides although they haven't subsided (its now 7 weeks post PCT) and last week (6 weeks post PCT) I started having panic attacks. I started looking into electrolyte imbalances (potassium) because I do have the symptoms, but all my bloods came back fine for electrolytes. Ive recently revisited my LH and FSH levels... noticing they were highly elevated from the clomid post pct as expected along with test, but after another blood test I noticed LH and FSH drop below my natty levels. Should I blast HCG and redo PCT. Any Suggestions?? Also the first post cycle bloods were taken 2 weeks after pct because i was feeling off, second post cycle tests were a little over 4 weeks.

Sorry I didn't check the bloods or read all the replies but
You're fully into pct, right? not taking any aas? how long ago?

 

[BigNick002]

Sorry I didn't check the bloods or read all the replies but
You're fully into pct, right? not taking any aas? how long ago?

Im a little over 7 weeks post pct, and I started pct 4 weeks after last pin.